Why do you all hate america?

[burner69]

Every American I've ever met has been a nice kinda person, I genuinely like the population as a whole - but certain individuals spoil the ir rep. Doing stuff like turning a blind eye to torture, being all war mongeringy (is that a word, I think not), heartlessly hurling shitty advertising down people's throats, having a gross disregard for people who don't benefit them etc etc. What's his name again?....

Also I think a lot of people (like myself) who don't like the immoral, heartless corporations see America as an icon of a corporate society, and hate it for that reason (I don't though, I just hate the corporations).

And one or two, tho I doubt many, hate it to be cool. Actually, reading back I don't think that's the case... who the hell hates something to be cool? Some have only seen the Moore side of things, and just use that as the only truth.

 

[Bait]

I hate the direction that the States are going in. I feel terrible that the fate of such a great nation is in the hands of such a few 'fanatics' that don't have the best interests of the people of America in mind. The U.S is capable of such good, but instead spend 500 billion on military might...

I can't hate the American people. For the most part, if they had more exposure to world events instead of the funneled pictures they get on their TVs at 6 o'clock, they would realize the things that their nation is doing and maybe even speak out against them.

And to say the U.S is a theocracy is a disgrace to whatever religion it is Bush is attempting to follow.

 

[el Chi]

The U.S is capable of such good, but instead spend 500 billion on military might...

Quoted for emphasis. Bravo on a good post, Bait. Bravo indeed. <Doffs hat>

 

[Prince of China]

I don't hate America.
I have nothing against America or it's government.

 

[Wraith]

i think the USA has too much power, we are afraid of everyone else so much that we get as much power as we can and are really paranoid about everyone else, so we watch them really close to make sue our nice little blonde haired blue eyed children dont get hurt, and the other countries say hey, why the **** is america so powerful, and acting like such an ass to us?

 

[GiaOmerta]

please, the US is barely in the top 10 countries that have the highest standards of living

top 10:

1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland


half of the top 10 are european




yup ...definately foreign policy

Those countries wouldnt be their now if the United States and Britain didnt liberate occupied Europe during World War 2.
I'm the grandchild of emigrant. Living like a king currently.

 

[Operation Ivy]

Those countries wouldnt be their now if the United States and Britain didnt liberate occupied Europe during World War 2.

here we go...

 

[GiaOmerta]

We should of gave the Facists a chance. Shame on us. Shame on us for crawling out of our isolatist hole.

 

[asdasd]

I see...

And I suppose you all [USA] have a great debt to Spain for sending Columbus...

 

[GiaOmerta]

Christopher Columbus is one of my heros exactly.
As is Amerigo Vespucci, the name sake of my nation.

Being Italian myself, I celebrate Columbus Day greatly and honor both their accomplishments.

As for being in great debt to Spain. Nah. As for Europe being in debt to the United States. Nah.

It's something called generosity. When the shit hits the fan everyone forgets their differences.

Look at Indonesia, an Islamic nation. They probally were'nt too happy with the United States. Tsunami comes along. United States offers aid and moneraty relief. They gladly take our money.

The money I donated towards the tsunami relief, I dont expect to see every again. I dont want to see again. I'm helping my fellow mankind, but I do expect generosity. I want these people to remember. When they needed help they got it. Can Europe do the same? Marshall Plan ring a bell? Show some ****ing respect people. It helps.

 

[Ennui]

I don't think that comparing America saving Europe in World War II is anything like Spain and America. We would have been colonized either way, it was only a matter of time. In WWII... well, if we hadn't intervened, you would all be under Nazi rule still.

I think that people hating Americans is purely stupid, I've had people on CS or other games start insulting me because of it which really annoys me. It's fairly easy to tell them to shut the hell up and quit judging people and put them in their place, but it's still arrogant and stupid.

Though, I understand the whole anti-Bush thing.

 

[el Chi]

In WWII... well, if we hadn't intervened, you would all be under Nazi rule still.

1. You'd better not be talking about Britain, me old mucker.
2. I'm not sure it could've lasted. Not that your contribution didn't help somewhat.

 

[burner69]

Those countries wouldnt be their now if the United States and Britain didnt liberate occupied Europe during World War 2.

I'm not saying people wouldn't have intervened, but we only attacked after the Nazis took a key coal mining area in France that the UK relied heavily upon.
America refused to help in WW2 until after Pearl Harbour.

And just because UK, US, or any country help another out, it does not give them the right to f*ck other countries over.

 

[Ennui]

1. You'd better not be talking about Britain, me old mucker.
2. I'm not sure it could've lasted. Not that your contribution didn't help somewhat.

hehe, not talking about Britain. I'm sure that the Nazis would have been overthrown eventually, over the course of the next decade or two, but who knows how many people Hitler could have killed in that time? Britain would have been taken too, without America's help, and probably America eventually, since they'd probably gain a foothold in South America and work their way up, or in Canada and work their way down. Still, we would have held out for a long, long time - as one of the Japanese generals of the time said:
"If we invade America, there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

 

[Kangy]

It's the same for Britain. As Hitler turned to the Soviets, we practically turned the island into a giant fortress. We had guns that could fire over the channel all over the coast, and Dad's Army was ready to go underground if there ever was an invasion and hold Churchill's speech to his very word.

Once the Soviets really started to push Hitler back, I think Churchill would have gone with or without the US to the beaches of France.

 

[Bait]

Living like a king currently.

Most people in North America could very well say that. Even those who think they aren't doing so well could very well be, comparativley speaking, living like kings. I looked at the page and saw the 30 worst places to live. My heart just sank to the bottom of my chest. People here live luxouriously, without having to worry about outbreaks of disease, famine or even medical care. This is a life worthy of a king. A life where hardly any problems are found. Having your girlfriend break up with you, or flunking a midterm, or having a fight with your parents aren't problems. Waking up in the morning seeing your infant brother or sister dead is a problem.

What I'm getting at is the people living in the top countries in the world should think long and hard why they deserve to live where they do. Why are we privledged enough to be born in a country that provides people the opportunity to live like kings. How are we so different from the people living in squalor and flith while we sit on our sofas in front of our television with a pizza in hand and a pop in another. What makes us better than these people?

Nothing.

I have done absolutely nothing to deserve living in Canada. I don't deserve the kind of life I am living. I am living a life billions of people out there would kill for. And I am disgusted to the pit of my stomach. Why? Because what people don't realize it is possible for nearly all other countries to realize this type of king-ly living. If the 1000 richest people on earth each gave 2.5% of their total savings, poverty would be erradicated forever. No more needless suffering, no more children dying from ailments like chicken pox of even the flu. If these 1000 people realized the peace they could bring to people, imagine what this world would be like?

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is I, for one, don't deserve this type of lifestyle. I have done nothing extravagant or extremely beneficiant to Canada at large. People should think of this more often, and contemplate about it. These kinds of thoughts may be enough to get people giving out of respect and love for their fellow man in situations far worse than what we will ever experiance.

 

[Viperidae]

Mineral, that was a very good post.

Bait: You ever heard of the 80/20 world? You've basically just described it.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

America refused to help in WW2 until after Pearl Harbour.

Actually, they did it with reason. First, they did'nt want to send shared aid to both Germany and France, because they did that in the first World War, and the Kaiser was piss0red.

Secondly, they did'nt want to play sides on a war they were still trying to figure out.

The United States was nuetral. So were other countries throughout Europe. Do you choose to blame other countries for not joining in the fray earlier?

Also, if the US did'nt intervene, you guys would'nt be speaking German. You would be speaking Russian. But, of course, you guys cant afford to allow the Americans some good debts -- after all, you feel that if you do that, you'll overshadow your own pride and country.

It does'nt do either really, when you share gratitude to others for helping you, reguardless.

 

[Operation Ivy]

off topic
if the US didnt get in Europe theres a good chance Europe be under communism not nazism

 

[yadalogo]

Well Done Bait! I agree 100% :cheers:

 

[Viperidae]

Imo, WW2 never ended.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Nethire did the Cold War.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Imo, WW2 never ended.

Germany was defeated. Italy surrendered. Japan surrendered.

Nethire did the Cold War.

Soviet Bloc dissolved. Berlin Wall was torn down.

 

[nicknitro]

Germany was defeated. Italy surrendered. Japan surrendered.


Soviet Bloc dissolved. Berlin Wall was torn down.

hehe owned

 

[bliink]

Germany was defeated. Italy surrendered. Japan surrendered.

I think he was referring to the "state of war" legislation passed in countries such as the US that has not yet been repealed

Soviet Bloc dissolved. Berlin Wall was torn down.

In this case, its fairly broad, but I think he's metaphorically alluding to the terrorist-panic/communist-panic similarities

 

[seinfeldrules]

They refuse to see anything wrong with their country, and they immediately assume that if you're agaisnt their country, that's because you're anti-american. "There's nothing wrong with me, you hate me, don't you ? I knew it!!" It's the kind of arrogant teen attitude that gets them in trouble.

I see plenty wrong with my country, but it isnt evil as you suggest. This over exaggeration is what I hate about you people. When you bash a country on every issue, it is more than what you suggest. Ex. 350 million isnt enough! Look at what you spend on your military! Look at your GDP!

 

[seinfeldrules]

Because they are arrogant enough to stick their nose into other countries' affairs but not suffer the same from others. Because the administration is sickeningly self-righteous and lies to its own populace.

You're right. Maybe from now on we shouldnt help in places like Indonesia (where our navy is playing a major role in relief efforts), Taiwan, SK, Kosovo etc. etc.

hands of such a few 'fanatics' that don't have the best interests of the people of America in mind. The U.S is capable of such good, but instead spend 500 billion on military might...

We also spend the most on charity per year. I love how that is always neglected. And a few fanatics? Sorry, but I love it how you insult the majority of Americans who voted Bush, and then call Americans arrogant. People have the guts to call Americans arrogant, but then feel the need to bash us on how we spend our own money? Puhlleassee.

 

[burner69]

Also, if the US did'nt intervene, you guys would'nt be speaking German. You would be speaking Russian. But, of course, you guys cant afford to allow the Americans some good debts -- after all, you feel that if you do that, you'll overshadow your own pride and country.

It does'nt do either really, when you share gratitude to others for helping you, reguardless.

I criticise any country when I feel there is a need to. I critiscise my own a lot.

Your statement can easily be interpretted as "You can't afford to admit America makes mistakes, and doesn't always do things for the purpose of a greater good - the fact that you bash people who critiscise you shows you feel that you'll overshadow your own pride and country."

Most countries, in general, aren't nice. They are selfish, and only do things for their own interests. (We can argue if this is infact survival, and not selfishness). The fact that America is so powerful, and so actively seeking power, and change for it's benefit it is the centre of so many arguments.

To clarify, I like America in general. I despise SOME elements of your government. Really despise. We wouldn't get far debating if I just sat here praising you on the good your country has done.

 

[Earl Danish]

Why do you all hate americans?

I don't hate Americans - one of my very best freinds is in fact American. I hate paranoid idiots - worldwide.l

It's simply got absolute zero to do with Nationality. America is a fine country with some fine people in it.. Unfortunately - with a question like that you display the fact that you are not one of those people.

Either that or you are just young and stupid and shouldn't talk about such grown-up things as hate.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Earl Danish, good answer.

 

[Earl Danish]

just keeping it real - this is supposed to be a political forum after all. reality has a place somewhere... i think ;]

 

[burner69]

In politics?? ha.. don't think so

 

[Bait]

We also spend the most on charity per year. I love how that is always neglected. And a few fanatics? Sorry, but I love it how you insult the majority of Americans who voted Bush, and then call Americans arrogant. People have the guts to call Americans arrogant, but then feel the need to bash us on how we spend our own money? Puhlleassee.

In no such way did I insult anyone nor did I call anyone arrogant.

I stand by my point, though. 500 billion dollars to ultimately kill other human beings. With that kind of money, poverty could be abolished within a few years. Instead, the States have it in mind that the world is out to get them, and the only way to be prepared is with a military force capable of leveling half the world. And I DO feel the need to bash "you" on the spending of "your" money. Why? Because if the States wanted to use its military within its own borders for whatever reasons, I couldn't complain. BUT when wars are declared on the fly, affecting and killings hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people, of course I'm going to comment on that horrendous military budget. Never mind the aid for the rest of the world, it would be better to spend that money on U.S healthcare, or even funneling money into impoverished districts in larger cities. Before deciding to "Help" the lives of people in other countries, try to fix problems happening within your own borders.

And those 'fanatics' I spoke of are the people who have it set that it's "our way or the highway." No voice in the world could sway their ideas, no matter how crooked or decieving they may be.

I go back to my orignial statement. I honestly can't find any fault in it whatsoever. It appears to be 100% true, and not a thing you could say can change that.

The U.S is capable of such good, but instead spend 500 billion on military might...

 

[The Monkey]

Christopher Columbus is one of my heros exactly.

Columbus was a murderer and a rapist. Besides, he wasn't even the first European to discover America. The Icelandic Viking Leif Eriksson discovered Newfoundland 400 years before Columbus.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

:cheers: to Danish and Bait.

And yeah, Colombus was a terrible person.
Erikson was better, but he wasn't great either.
But he was a viking in the year 1000, so what did you expect?

 

[GiaOmerta]

Columbus was a murderer and a rapist. Besides, he wasn't even the first European to discover America. The Icelandic Viking Leif Eriksson discovered Newfoundland 400 years before Columbus.

Who told you that?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Who told you that?

http://prestwidge.com/river/columbus.html
http://ishgooda.org/racial/holid2.htm

 

[seinfeldrules]

I go back to my orignial statement. I honestly can't find any fault in it whatsoever. It appears to be 100% true, and not a thing you could say can change that.

Its our money, and with it we can spend it as we please. Nothing is more arrogant then telling somebody else how to spend their own money.

500 billion dollars to ultimately kill other human beings

How about the Navy rescuing Indonesians right now? What about when our military might prevents other nations from falling?

Never mind the aid for the rest of the world, it would be better to spend that money on U.S healthcare, or even funneling money into impoverished districts in larger cities.

Maybe it would be better to spend the money spent on global charity in America first. It is obvious people scorn our assistance, you only need to glance through this thread to realize that.

Before deciding to "Help" the lives of people in other countries, try to fix problems happening within your own borders.

No nation has been, or will be perfect. I dont see how ridding Iraq from Saddam is "help".

In no such way did I insult anyone

You called the Americans who voted Bush fanatics, unless I mistook you.

 

[GiaOmerta]

http://prestwidge.com/river/columbus.html
http://ishgooda.org/racial/holid2.htm

They weren't back in Columbus' day.

 

[CptStern]

meh columbus wasnt even italian but catalan