Windows XP 64 bit
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azz0r said:Well my 64 stuff arrived, but I ****ing bought an OEM processor, so Ive got no fan and seeing as 64 processors need a special fan Ive had to order one for tomorrow.
**** sake
It's called reading the dam description. :stare:
Come on dude, I've yet to see a product description that doesn't state "Heatsink/fan not included".
Live and learn, I guess.
But that wasn't a n00b mistake, that was ignorance on your part to forgetting to fully read the description.
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Longhorn is going to use your video card with desktop usage possibly drawing down on usage of games well. Longhorn has been dicussed as the OS to be apart of the TCPA ( Demon which will end all open source and 3rd party programs with your hardware ) Longhorn will have a million things on it bogging down your system and will become the ultimate fancy word processor program ever so hold your windows 2000/xp as tigh as possible and long as possible and learn how to use linux!
Anywho... 32bit windows benefits very well along with its games on an AMD64 so have fun
Anywho... 32bit windows benefits very well along with its games on an AMD64 so have fun
Tried the 64 bit windows, when it first went Beta,
Its ok, not a lot of difference, looks the same.
When I first tried it, the Via chipset drivers were stable, the Nvidia drivers pretty much ok, But my SB live drivers were time limited.
Unfortunately I never really got beyond sticking it on a separate partition and running a few games, etc.
Since I don't think there are any games out that support 64bit processing, I can see no reason to use it, Since it uses an emulation mode to run 32 bit software.
Also since some of my older games still use a 16bit installer, they won't work since 64 bit winXP only supports 32 or 64 bit installers.
I know that there is a 64 bit version of the popular benchmark program Sysoft Sandra, and that there was supposed to be a 64 bit version of Farcry coming out.
Its ok, not a lot of difference, looks the same.
When I first tried it, the Via chipset drivers were stable, the Nvidia drivers pretty much ok, But my SB live drivers were time limited.
Unfortunately I never really got beyond sticking it on a separate partition and running a few games, etc.
Since I don't think there are any games out that support 64bit processing, I can see no reason to use it, Since it uses an emulation mode to run 32 bit software.
Also since some of my older games still use a 16bit installer, they won't work since 64 bit winXP only supports 32 or 64 bit installers.
I know that there is a 64 bit version of the popular benchmark program Sysoft Sandra, and that there was supposed to be a 64 bit version of Farcry coming out.
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i dont see what the fuss is all about over 64bit at the moment. 64 bit processors wont be running much faster at all untill other technology progresses i.e. it is a potential great improvement, but is not realised yet.
Sounds like windows64 doesn't do much at all to today's 64 bit processors
Sounds like windows64 doesn't do much at all to today's 64 bit processors
using linux 64 bit on an athlon 64 can increase performance 50% i've heard. i'd call that a great improvement. however, for anything to take advantage of the extra registers you need to have a 64bit OS and the application and drivers (if necessary) need to be compiled in 64 bit too...
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Godam this just keeps getting worse and worse.
So my fan arrives so I swap all my stuff over, pack away my old mobo.
Check everythings hooked up properly, boot up. No problems - get into windows and it asks for drivers (need todo a fresh install).
Anyway, I get down to check that everythings working fine and notice the CPU fan isnt working :| godamit. Luckily the heatsink is a huge slab of metal so it kept it cool.
So now Ive gotta send it back and they send a replacement, which can take 11 days according to them, so Ive ordered another one (which now wont arrive until saturday) and sent back the broken one (which they confirmed over the phone after making me test it) and hope they allow a refund instead of a replacement.
So Im stuck in the drafty hall again with no TV :|
So my fan arrives so I swap all my stuff over, pack away my old mobo.
Check everythings hooked up properly, boot up. No problems - get into windows and it asks for drivers (need todo a fresh install).
Anyway, I get down to check that everythings working fine and notice the CPU fan isnt working :| godamit. Luckily the heatsink is a huge slab of metal so it kept it cool.
So now Ive gotta send it back and they send a replacement, which can take 11 days according to them, so Ive ordered another one (which now wont arrive until saturday) and sent back the broken one (which they confirmed over the phone after making me test it) and hope they allow a refund instead of a replacement.
So Im stuck in the drafty hall again with no TV :|
The thing with technology, is that as soon as you bring something out, its not very soon that, that technology is outdated.
But since AMD cooperated with Microsoft about the forthcoming 64 bit edition of WindowsXP, It was obvious too AMD that releasing their 64bit processors now was a good idea, since the processors are backwards compatible with 32 bit operating systems and the future of Operating systems seems to be 64 bit, if microsoft have anything to do with it.
Even if the Windows XP 64 bit editon is still in its early stages, Its obvious, that 64 bit is the future, And it will be considerably faster than 32 bit.
Here's a couple of statements on the 'net that I found, they state why 64 bit is better than 32 bit.
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There are two major reasons why you might want to use a 64-bit CPU. One is the ability to use massive amounts of memory. Using data in high-speed, solid-state memory is significantly faster than getting it from disk, but there are limits to how much a machine can store in RAM. Running on a 32-bit processor, for example, Windows 2003 Server can handle a maximum of 3GB of RAM, and even Unix systems top out at 4GB. The AMD64 platform can address 4 petabytes of physical memory, and a 64-bit CPU can potentially address up to 18 exabytes.
The second advantage of the 64-bit chip is its ability to handle larger floating-point numbers, which are often used in scientific and engineering calculations. While 32-bit processors can only handle floating-point calculations with values up to 232 (approximately 4.29 billion) unless they resort to software emulation, 64-bit chips can directly use numbers up to 264 (about 18.45 billion billion).
Although a 64-bit CPU can handle twice as much information at a time as a 32-bit CPU can, it won't be twice as fast—programs won't start in half the time, for example. As an end user, you wouldn't notice a difference in speed most of the time. The difference comes into play with harder-working servers that may have to deal with hundreds or thousands of users, storage areas and process streams simultaneously. In such cases, using CPUs with bigger pipes may mean you need fewer servers overall. That translates into added long-term efficiency.
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So while you may not notice much difference in your "day to day" gaming or in programs, The future is open for games and programs to take advantage of the extended calculation advantages and larger memory address and thus to be more complex.
More levels, more complex landscapes, etc, etc.
But your right in saying that technology needs to catch up, Memory sticks will need to be produced that can hold more mb's of ram, Since the largest ram sticks at the moment are 2GB sticks (they are rare) and most people opt for the easier to find 1GB ram sticks.
Also motherboards will need to be able to accomadate the increased ram sizes.
PCI Xpress boards seem to be the future, But anyone thinking of upgrading to this path would be best advised to wait, since the other components in computers such as sound cards, TV cards, BB cards, etc, are not easily available for PCI Xpress boards, If at all.
But since AMD cooperated with Microsoft about the forthcoming 64 bit edition of WindowsXP, It was obvious too AMD that releasing their 64bit processors now was a good idea, since the processors are backwards compatible with 32 bit operating systems and the future of Operating systems seems to be 64 bit, if microsoft have anything to do with it.
Even if the Windows XP 64 bit editon is still in its early stages, Its obvious, that 64 bit is the future, And it will be considerably faster than 32 bit.
Here's a couple of statements on the 'net that I found, they state why 64 bit is better than 32 bit.
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There are two major reasons why you might want to use a 64-bit CPU. One is the ability to use massive amounts of memory. Using data in high-speed, solid-state memory is significantly faster than getting it from disk, but there are limits to how much a machine can store in RAM. Running on a 32-bit processor, for example, Windows 2003 Server can handle a maximum of 3GB of RAM, and even Unix systems top out at 4GB. The AMD64 platform can address 4 petabytes of physical memory, and a 64-bit CPU can potentially address up to 18 exabytes.
The second advantage of the 64-bit chip is its ability to handle larger floating-point numbers, which are often used in scientific and engineering calculations. While 32-bit processors can only handle floating-point calculations with values up to 232 (approximately 4.29 billion) unless they resort to software emulation, 64-bit chips can directly use numbers up to 264 (about 18.45 billion billion).
Although a 64-bit CPU can handle twice as much information at a time as a 32-bit CPU can, it won't be twice as fast—programs won't start in half the time, for example. As an end user, you wouldn't notice a difference in speed most of the time. The difference comes into play with harder-working servers that may have to deal with hundreds or thousands of users, storage areas and process streams simultaneously. In such cases, using CPUs with bigger pipes may mean you need fewer servers overall. That translates into added long-term efficiency.
----------------------------------------------------------
So while you may not notice much difference in your "day to day" gaming or in programs, The future is open for games and programs to take advantage of the extended calculation advantages and larger memory address and thus to be more complex.
More levels, more complex landscapes, etc, etc.
But your right in saying that technology needs to catch up, Memory sticks will need to be produced that can hold more mb's of ram, Since the largest ram sticks at the moment are 2GB sticks (they are rare) and most people opt for the easier to find 1GB ram sticks.
Also motherboards will need to be able to accomadate the increased ram sizes.
PCI Xpress boards seem to be the future, But anyone thinking of upgrading to this path would be best advised to wait, since the other components in computers such as sound cards, TV cards, BB cards, etc, are not easily available for PCI Xpress boards, If at all.
