Xbox360 doesnt run Quake 4 all that well

[DeusExMachina]

Just because your getting one this Friday and can't take any talk against the 360 :smoking:

All you have to do is go to gamespot and look at the screens
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/perfectdarkzero/screenindex.html?page=1

Whoa, first off, I can take talk -_-. I never said it was the perfect console on the entire planet. Its an entertainment module. Nothing more.

Second, how can you try and tell me those screenshots look "average" or "below par"?

 

[stemot]

Whoa, first off, I can take talk -_-. I never said it was the perfect console on the entire planet. Its an entertainment module. Nothing more.

Second, how can you try and tell me those screenshots look "average" or "below par"?

Sorry to say this, and I have to say that all the other 360 games I`ve seen shots of do look the business, but those shots really do look poor, I doubt my PC would have any trouble running that.

 

[sinkoman]

Refering to PDZ
I was pretty blown away by the texture quality and model quality myself. I've never seen such complicated models and such sweet lighting and texture reflection effects.

Not sure what you guys saw... a low rez video perhaps?

Did you actually play it on an XBOX360?

I'm referring to screenshots. Monitors tend to be more crisp than tellevisions, and details like bad models show through easier.

But they've gone through allot of versions. The low Q one's I saw weren't that long ago, but who knows. Maybe they did a texture overhaul right before release.

http://www.filerushnews.com/gallery/d/28886-3/11.jpg

HL2 looks better imo.

 

[VirusType2]

Did you actually play it on an XBOX360?

I'm referring to screenshots. Monitors tend to be more crisp than tellevisions, and details like bad models show through easier.

But they've gone through allot of versions. The low Q one's I saw weren't that long ago, but who knows. Maybe they did a texture overhaul right before release.

http://www.filerushnews.com/gallery/d/28886-3/11.jpg

HL2 looks better imo.

Sorry what?

When I get a 360 I'll be playing it HD on my VGA monitor.

.. and you are entitled to your opinion. I disagree with it. Looks about 100 times better than HL2 @ 800x600 very high models, very high rez textures. ..which is all that my PC can do--and can hardly do it that well, stuttering and skipping and losing frames all the time.

so thats what I compare it to

 

[destrukt]

screenshots aren't a good way to judge a console, or even pc games for that matter, they're sometimes there just to get a vague idea. even with videos you need to be careful, the only way to get a good idea is to actually play it (console/pc game).

 

[VirusType2]

screenshots aren't a good way to judge a console, or even pc games for that matter, they're sometimes there just to get a vague idea. even with videos you need to be careful, the only way to get a good idea is to actually play it (console/pc game).

Yea i just saw 2 commercials for Project Gotham Racing and I have never seen graphics anywhere near that good, and it was smooth as I have ever seen a game run.

Of course thats what I expected

The framerate looked like 120fps. So does it really matter what the framerate acutally is?




and i saw it on a VGA monitor but I don't know if the commercial was broadcast in HD or if my equipment can send that much detail to my monitor anyway

(I have S-Video to VGA converter box)

 

[jondy]

The framerate looked like 120fps. So does it really matter what the framerate acutally is?

You can't fake your way out of a framerate lagging. I'm not implying the x360 does, but, you just.... can't...... how?

 

[VirusType2]

You can't fake your way out of a framerate lagging. I'm not implying the x360 does, but, you just.... can't...... how?

Huh?
Fake my way? WTF? That sounds like you are either saying im lying about something or that you are implying that the game has problems with the framerate dropping? I don't know i dont have the game.

Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about.. elaborate?

The framerate was never in question, i was just merely in awe when i saw the t.v. commercial becuase all i had seen was some screenshots that were pretty impressive but had never seen it in motion besides crappy video footage of the game I downloaded. I thought I would describe my thoughts for anyone who hasn't seen the 360 in action


To elaborate on the original post: (in case it wasn't clear what I was saying)

All I said was i just saw a couple commercials on T.V. for PGR3 and it featured real game footage of people racing online and talking. One guy was like where you from, and this british guy said, " im from this place called first place"

The other commercial was of a Red Ferrari.

Each commercial was about 20 seconds of game footage and looked as smooth of a frame rate as the movie Toy Story2 or something. It was extremely smooth. You couldn't have noticed a framerate any higher.
So what Im saying is...
..with 5 cars on the screen at 40,000 pollygons each, turning through this corner, the framerate stayed perfect. The 360 was just processing so smoothly like it wasn't even working hard.

Finally a game system with enough power to race against lots of people online, with never seen before graphic quality and an unbeatable frame rate.
Im very impressed.
I want one even more now.

 

[AfternoonLemon]

The framerate looked like 120fps.

The human eye cannot distinguish between 30fps and 300fps - anything above about 24/25 just looks seamless.

The 360 was just processing so smoothly like it wasn't even working hard.

You can't know that, for all you know it handles it just - and no more.

However, the hardware specs suggest that it will easily handle it and much, much more.

Quarter 2 onwards next year I think will produce some amazing games for the 360 :O

 

[VirusType2]

The human eye cannot distinguish between 30fps and 300fps - anything above about 24/25 just looks seamless.

For T.V. 30fps looks smooth,(films are only 24 fps) but for video games 60fps appears smooth. It depends on the media, monitor and many other factors

I can see improvements up to and even past 80fps on my computer

I created a new thread on FPS to keep this thread on topic.

That info can be found here:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96538

 

[DreadLord]

Ohhh man. That feels good! Eat the shitty ports you console bastards! EAT IT! How does it feel, huh? You like that? You like that?!

/high-fives everyone else that saw this coming.

 

[Drackard]

Not a chance

Im sorry, but i am a huge console fanboy aswell as a PC so im biassed on neither, but i don't see how the PC isn't the superior gaming machine, so much more can be done on it compared to any console.

 

[VirusType2]

Im sorry, but i am a huge console fanboy aswell as a PC so im biassed on neither, but i don't see how the PC isn't the superior gaming machine, so much more can be done on it compared to any console.

meh. PC ****ing sucks for gaming dude just face it

I am a console and PC game fan as well but I don't think you can convince me that a PC is a superior game platform.

you can buy an extremely expensive game PC or upgrade your current valuable investment with a new part for a couple hundred dollars every few years and thats awesome. I wish I had a good PC, simply for the exclusive games. But the PC is based on a flawed design from over 25 years ago. The thing thats like putting a 600 HP Ferrari engine into a 1968 Ford P.O.S. Yea that mofo is fast and might even beat a console in a race but consoles are game machines and always going to have hardware advantages that can only be made up by a PC overcompensating with EXTREME power and memory.

My biggest complaint is compatability problems. Every game I buy has some issues with not running correctly usually with graphical texture or sound problems and i have the most common sound and video card brands in the world!

Its just rediculous man, and it's high maintanance.

I do love things about PC gaming like users creating mods and sound mods and such, but even with xbox live, developers like Rare say they are going to release mods!

I would like to know just what you mean by so much more can be done on it game wise? What makes you say it is a superior game platform?
:| :| :|

 

[satch919]

Same. The models and textures seemed a tad low quality (blocky or very cheap looking models).

Gameplay looks pretty decent though

Having played the game at 720p resolution on my HDTV, I can say that the game looks extremely good. The texture work on the Chinese snow map is amazing. Stone looks like stone, ice looks the way you'd expect, and the metal decorations on the doors looks absolutely fantastic.

 

[Javert]

Or they don't like consoles and think PC is the superior gaming system.

Huh? It isn't? (being facetious.)

 

[jondy]

Huh?
Fake my way? WTF? That sounds like you are either saying im lying about something or that you are implying that the game has problems with the framerate dropping? I don't know i dont have the game.

Nah, mate, you've got the wrong end of the stick; I was just confused about the sentence you wrote-

The framerate looked like 120fps. So does it really matter what the framerate acutally is?

But I see what you were getting at.

 

[Warbie]

so much more can be done on it compared to any console.

Yet it very rarely is :/

 

[DreadLord]

meh. PC ****ing sucks for gaming dude just face it

I am a console and PC game fan as well but I don't think you can convince me that a PC is a superior game platform.

you can buy an extremely expensive game PC or upgrade your current valuable investment with a new part for a couple hundred dollars every few years and thats awesome. I wish I had a good PC, simply for the exclusive games. But the PC is based on a flawed design from over 25 years ago. The thing thats like putting a 600 HP Ferrari engine into a 1968 Ford P.O.S. Yea that mofo is fast and might even beat a console in a race but consoles are game machines and always going to have hardware advantages that can only be made up by a PC overcompensating with EXTREME power and memory.

My biggest complaint is compatability problems. Every game I buy has some issues with not running correctly usually with graphical texture or sound problems and i have the most common sound and video card brands in the world!

Its just rediculous man, and it's high maintanance.

I do love things about PC gaming like users creating mods and sound mods and such, but even with xbox live, developers like Rare say they are going to release mods!

I would like to know just what you mean by so much more can be done on it game wise? What makes you say it is a superior game platform?
:| :| :|

/hands VirusType2 the Most Ignorant Post Of The Year award.

 

[VirusType2]

/hands VirusType2 the Most Ignorant Post Of The Year award.

It's statements like that that are ignorant, so I'll hand that award right back to you, deeming you more worthy


Why not explain why PC gaming is the superior platform then? A convincing argument? Shed some light and I might be inclined to change my mind. As it stands though, from my experience, thats how I feel

 

[Warbie]

I thought you made some quite valid points. It was far from ignorant.

 

[FictiousWill]

Give the xbox360 a keyboard and mouse for more precise control, that would help things out. Then hook it up to a nice computer monitor. That would improve things. Then give it an open-source operating system and community moddable games.

UH OH we've made a COMPUTAR

 

[Warbie]

Give the xbox360 a keyboard and mouse for more precise control, that would help things out. Then hook it up to a nice computer monitor. That would improve things. Then give it an open-source operating system and community moddable games.

That's a terrible idea

 

[sinkoman]

Give the xbox360 a keyboard and mouse for more precise control, that would help things out. Then hook it up to a nice computer monitor. That would improve things. Then give it an open-source operating system and community moddable games.

UH OH we've made a COMPUTAR

Yeah but you had to add a ****load of things.

*humps PC*

 

[nutcrackr]

Why not explain why PC gaming is the superior platform then? A convincing argument? Shed some light and I might be inclined to change my mind. As it stands though, from my experience, thats how I feel

1. You've already mentioned the mod scene, while developers claim xbox360 will get mods it's not hard to see it will be much less on the 360, heck it will probably cost money for stupid little mods on xbox360.

2. Multiplayer, I find MP on the PC far more extensive, BF2, WOW, CS, Guild Wars. Lots of players because PC's can run dedicated servers unlike 360, quake 4 is restricted in numbers from the PC. Also you have to pay for xbox live, most fps PC servers are free.

3. RTS games, there are other genres that don't work so well on consoles but rts games would have to be the most prominent, there are very few rts games on consoles and probably fewer on 360. It's one of my favourite genres and it's sad that some gamers miss out on it.

4. Cost of additional, we've already established that PC gaming tends to be more expensive to start with. But if you want to game properly on the 360 you need a HDTV and more money. Games are more expensive (hello $60 games) and so are accessories, xbox live points just to buy some "gamer screens" and then more points for a wheel trim etc. It's going to add up over time. I've seen plenty of people buy off ebay for 1500, clearly money is not an object for some so why should PC's starting off at higher prices worry them?

5. Static system. Yes the graphics will improve over time (will the gameplay? - trick question) for the 360 but PC's are evolving machines. Just around the corner for the PC is the physics chip which may or may not be useful. If we compare PC graphics of last year with xbox this year it's clear to see who "wins" but not just graphics changes, new genre types/mixes often come out on the PC since restrictions are lifted.

6. Same games.
COD2, Quake 4, Gun, NFS:MW
All on the PC with neglible graphics differences, while the console held the PC back with shoddy ports recently I doubt most developers will miss the opportunity to develop on PC and 360 since it's "easy" and increases profits.

7. Rushed games, so mcuh of the lineup already is clearly rushed. This is either from the lapse in graphics standards here and there or the lack of gameplay features (cough madden cough nba live). MS won't want delays, they want the console system churning out game after game because they get money that way, they lose money on the system itself.

Let's not forget that I don't just game on my PC, I use it for a great number of graphics editing, mod creating, programming. Yeah compatibility may be a problem, xbox360 got a patch for the emulation already so it's not like it's resistant completely. Add up all the problems associated with the console now and more likely in the future I don't see why the 360 is so great. I won't go into the keyboard vs controller argument since I think it's pretty pointless on both sides. The above list isn't in order or importance.

 

[FictiousWill]

Yeah but you had to add a ****load of things.

*humps PC*

That's the joke. *hugs PC too*

 

[Warbie]

1. You've already mentioned the mod scene, while developers claim xbox360 will get mods it's not hard to see it will be much less on the 360, heck it will probably cost money for stupid little mods on xbox360.

A fair point. However, with so many fantastic games available I never end up playing mods, there's just too much else competing for my time.

Good if they'll extend a game you particulalry love.

2. Multiplayer, I find MP on the PC far more extensive, BF2, WOW, CS, Guild Wars. Lots of players because PC's can run dedicated servers unlike 360, quake 4 is restricted in numbers from the PC. Also you have to pay for xbox live, most fps PC servers are free.

Im not sure what you mean my extensive. PC online gaming offers less variety than Xbox live. For what it does do, though, it does excel - which is great if you're into rts/large scale online fps/mmo's etc - but not if you're into everything else.

Some games allow for dedicated servers on Xbox live, most don't need them (of course there are a few notable exceptions). Voice comms also comes as standard, which is great.

Public servers may be free on pcs, but to use voice comms and have a server of your own usually costs money (more than my xbox live subscription costs each year)

3. RTS games, there are other genres that don't work so well on consoles but rts games would have to be the most prominent, there are very few rts games on consoles and probably fewer on 360. It's one of my favourite genres and it's sad that some gamers miss out on it.

Agreed. RTS is the one genre that really doesn't work on consoles. There are more, however, that don't work, that I value far more, and never appear, on the pc.

4. Cost of additional, we've already established that PC gaming tends to be more expensive to start with. But if you want to game properly on the 360 you need a HDTV and more money. Games are more expensive (hello $60 games) and so are accessories, xbox live points just to buy some "gamer screens" and then more points for a wheel trim etc. It's going to add up over time. I've seen plenty of people buy off ebay for 1500, clearly money is not an object for some so why should PC's starting off at higher prices worry them?

This is not true at all. 360 games look fantastic on a standard tv, not as good as on an HDTV, sure, but superb nonetheless. More impressive than more recent pc titles like Quake 4 and FEAR looked on my monitor, infact.

My 360 is costing me the price of the machine and the games - and that's it. There's always the option of outputting to your monitor if you decide to sacrifice screen size for a higher res.

5. Static system. Yes the graphics will improve over time (will the gameplay? - trick question) for the 360 but PC's are evolving machines. Just around the corner for the PC is the physics chip which may or may not be useful. If we compare PC graphics of last year with xbox this year it's clear to see who "wins" but not just graphics changes

The reason consoles perform so much better than pcs spec for spec is because they are a static system. Physics chips may change things in the future, but as things stand, I much prefer the benefits of gaming on a static platform over one that 'evolves'. Not only do you get considerably more out of your hardware/money, but more consistent frame rates in your games and no need to configure anything.

It's also worth noting that while the pc certainly had a considerable edge in gfx towards the end of this console genration it still wasn't producing as many quality games (i'd take the best PS2 games released during the last year over the best on the pc - and that's just one of the consoles)

new genre types/mixes often come out on the PC since restrictions are lifted.

Completely untrue. The biggest advantage that console gaming has over pc gaming is originality and innovation - we get far more choice, creativity and varied titles on consoles, by a long way.

6. Same games.
COD2, Quake 4, Gun, NFS:MW
All on the PC with neglible graphics differences, while the console held the PC back with shoddy ports recently I doubt most developers will miss the opportunity to develop on PC and 360 since it's "easy" and increases profits.

The very best games to appear on consoles very, very rarely ever see the light of day on the pc. I'm also assuming by 'shoddy ports' you mean Deus Ex 2. There are very few of these. The ones that do exist usually aren't worth playing on either platform.

7. Rushed games, so mcuh of the lineup already is clearly rushed. This is either from the lapse in graphics standards here and there or the lack of gameplay features (cough madden cough nba live). MS won't want delays, they want the console system churning out game after game because they get money that way, they lose money on the system itself.

I see no difference on the pc, infact there is more of a problem here. Games blatantly released before being finished is rather common place.

The launch lineup for the 360 may be a little rushed, but it's no worse/better than most. The pc isn't offering anything more attractive this Christmas - so co-op PDZ it is

 

[nutcrackr]

Completely untrue. The biggest advantage that console gaming has over pc gaming is originality and innovation - we get far more choice, creativity and varied titles on consoles, by a long way.

By originality I assume you mean Ridge racer 6 or NBA:Upgrade Roster 2006 or maybe Grand Theft Auto: Bigger city for the ps2. While consoles have their fair share of mix (katamari etc) I don't think PC is short in that aspect so to say my poorly worded point is untrue is a bit harsh. There are many genres that PC created, actually is there any genre that the PC didn't "create"?

 

[DeusExMachina]

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing the PC does excel in is FPSs and RTSs. All other genres are far superior on the console, whether they have "ZOMG AMAZING GRAFICZ AND FISICZZZZZ" or not. Though I did enjoy the Max Payne games more on PC than Xbox. Then again, I loved Deus Ex on the PS2.

 

[VirusType2]

I think it's safe to say consoles and PC's both have advantages thats why some of the lucky ones have both.

I was just surprized to hear someone so plainly say ,"PC = superior game platform" and I feel it is the opposite, as much as I had fun playing World of Warcraft, HL-2 and some classic Medal of Honor games.

Personally I can't stand squad controlled FPS games like Rainbow Six and RTS games so the exclusion of RTS from consoles is not a factor for me.

I just haven't witnessed more than a few fun PC games, partly becuase I've only owned a PC for a year and I've just always been a console gamer, except during the video game crash of the 80's, I used Timex Sinclair and Atari home computers to play games

I just can't forget how I've had nothing but fun and good times on all consoles for about 20 years( since the NES came out.)

( there were some good console games on Colecovision, Atari 2600, 5200 and stuff but i wont go there)


If you know what you are doing you can even emulate console games on the PC too, but everything I have seen was older stuff they don't sell anymore. I don't think this is legal however.

 

[Warbie]

By originality I assume you mean Ridge racer 6 or NBA:Upgrade Roster 2006 or maybe Grand Theft Auto: Bigger city for the ps2.

Where did I say they were all orginal? Of course it's easy to name some rehashes out of the many 100's of console games that come out each year.

The pc caters for a limited no. of genre, namely rts, fps and mmo's. It does them very well - but not alot else.

I stand by my statemnt - there is far more variety on consoles.

 

[destrukt]

1. does the average gamer care about mods ? no. there aren't a huge amount of games with mods, and good mods for that.

2. some games have been able to run as dedicated servers (instincts and other previous ones, i'll try and remember them all) on the xbox, and most likely will be able to on some x360 games.

it doesn't really matter though, because you don't need a dedicated server to have a flawless mp game, while pc's generally do, so maybe that's a bad point about pc gaming ?

3. slightly true, but that's what makes a console a console, the difference in gameplay.

4. these are all very misc things (except for maybe the hdtv, but that's just like the huge amount of new hardware for the pc you mention) and they won't be bought by everyone, and are cheap. how many people do you think actually paid a ridiculous amount for an x360, just to have one ? like 10 or so, wow, there's another 10 possible pc gamers !

6. some same games, as expected, but they also have a huge amount of games which aren't ported to pc.

7. we've heard the mass complaining about 1 game, quake iv on x360 .. so a single game, omg wow we didn't expect that ! and the console just launched, so like all other consoles developers will continue on making games at the normal pace, improving upon each game. also, oblivion was delayed ? neat.

.. add all that to what warbie said, than try again, bye.

 

[Warbie]

7. we've heard the mass complaining about 1 game, quake iv on x360 .. so a single game, omg wow we didn't expect that ! and the console just launched, so like all other consoles developers will continue on making games at the normal pace, improving upon each game. also, oblivion was delayed ? neat.

Agreed - this is obviously just a bad port, and has no real reflection on the 360.

Now take a look at CoD2 on the 360 - it looks and runs better than CoD2 on my friends 7800gt sli pc (which, bar 1-2 fps, is as good a gaming rig as money can buy) Not bad when you consider that just one of his gfx cards cost more than the entire console.

 

[AfternoonLemon]

For T.V. 30fps looks smooth,(films are only 24 fps) but for video games 60fps appears smooth. It depends on the media, monitor and many other factor

I'm afraid you are wrong. The human eye cannot distinguish between anything above ~25fps. Full stop. It just looks like a movie (seamless).

 

[VirusType2]

I'm afraid you are wrong. The human eye cannot distinguish between anything above ~25fps. Full stop. It just looks like a movie (seamless).

no im not wrong:
It has been proven that the human eye can detect framerates higher than 200fps. This differs depending on source, display, and the individual

I myself have experienced increased smoothness when increasing the framerate past 60, 74.5 and even 124 fps. for computer generated graphics without image bluring technology, the eye can see the frames at 60 fps so in order to make it perfectly smooth you need about 72fps or higher, with a monitor refresh rate equal or greater. A framerate higher than this will make the animation smoother but the difference is negligable. (not much)

more info can be found here:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96538

 

[nutcrackr]

Agreed - this is obviously just a bad port, and has no real reflection on the 360.

Now take a look at CoD2 on the 360 - it looks and runs better than CoD2 on my friends 7800gt sli pc (which, bar 1-2 fps, is as good a gaming rig as money can buy) Not bad when you consider that just one of his gfx cards cost more than the entire console.

Quake 4 may be a bad port certainly but it's not the only game that's rushed as I said before. And COD 2 runs terrible on just about any PC and doesn't even look that great (compared to many other PC games), it's just poorly coded for the PC but I won't go into that here because that will open a crazy can of worms :rolling:
I can see where you guys are coming from, I don't want to bash the x360 too much I just wanted to point out some things I find better on PC's. In a lot of cases it also depends on the type of games you prefer anyway, very defensive lot :E

 

[destrukt]

And COD 2 runs terrible on just about any PC and doesn't even look that great (compared to many other PC games), it's just poorly coded for the PC but I won't go into that here because that will open a crazy can of worms

you're kidding, right ? ..

 

[FictiousWill]

COD 2 [is] just poorly coded for the PC

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BEST QUOTE EVAR

 

[nutcrackr]

I'm not kidding, COD 2 runs like ass compared to what it looks like so I think it's poorly coded.

 

[destrukt]

so, what you think and your experience is fact ?

cod2 is fine, otherwise we would have mass outrage, not misc. comments like yours.

 

[nutcrackr]

I never said it ran badly enough for the whole world to get carried away. But I've seen many benchmarks and seen the game in action on my computer and many others and the game runs poorly for what it displays. Anyway this has gone far too offtopic and I apologise.