XP VS Vista

[kazsymonds]

No offense but I think at this point you are just making shit up.

Microsoft knows that you will buy what ever bullshit they put out? I think Windows ME proves you wrong on that one. As does windows bob.

Yes, businesses are switching to vista so they are not left behind. How in the world is that a bad thing? Do you have any idea how much easier Windows Vista makes it to administer desktops in a domain enviroment that a business would use? Vista has made the lives of system administrators around the world much easier. I am dying to get the budget so we can upgrade the workstations in our company to vista.

You have not put forward a single legitimate criticism of vista in this entire thread. Care to put forward one now? If not then realize your hate of vista is irrational.

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[No Limit]

My single criticism is that Vista is a waste of money- no one can name a single thing that Vista offers that I can't do just as easily on XP.

You wanna bet on that?

Over 2,400 group policy objects. A new secure remote desktop. Ability to install software without having to log on as an administrator (not the same as "run us" under xp which didnt work with most installers). As already said many times DX10. New updated ntbackup which lets you make a true image of your hard drive. As I already said above the ability to get most of today's drivers directly off windows update.

These are just the first things that instantly popped in my head, a 30 second google search will give you a much bigger list.

Again, you are yet to make a rational argument against Vista.

 

[Pesmerga]

Group policy objects? Useless for individual owners.

Remote desktop? XP can do it.

DX10 hardware works on XP- it is by design of DX10 that limits SOME of its features to Vista, not by limits of XP. Another marketing ploy to get the world to pay for useless products.

Free programs made for XP already allow backup and restore.

Vista is one of those "ooh shiny and new, must buy" gadgets that Win7 will completely replace.

Stick with XP unless you like to waste time and money.

 

[No Limit]

Group policy objects? Useless for individual owners.

Above you said that there wasn't a good reason for businesses to switch. I was pointing out you were wrong.

Remote desktop? XP can do it.

You missed the part where I said secure. XP's remote desktop can easily be exploited using man in the middle attacks. In fact if you are using XP's remote desktop without a VPN I would advise you not to do so.

DX10 hardware works on XP- it is by design of DX10 that limits SOME of its features to Vista, not by limits of XP. Another marketing ploy to get the world to pay for useless products.

I have no doubt that making DX10 only available for Vista was a marketing ploy. But there you go again claiming Vista is a useless product when this assertion of your has been shut down time and time again.

Free programs made for XP already allow backup and restore.

Which free program, that comes with full support and warranty, will make a image of your entire hard drive?

Vista is one of those "ooh shiny and new, must buy" gadgets that Win7 will completely replace.

Stick with XP unless you like to waste time and money.

This is getting absurd. You might as well just reply "you're a poo poo head, vista sucks" from now on because that's the way you are coming off anyway. You have repeated the same BS over and over now no matter how many times you have been shown to be wrong, I am still waiting for a rational argument on your part. But I'm not going to sit around and wait for it, arguing with you is like arguing with a fanboy.

 

[kazsymonds]

Group policy objects? Useless for individual owners.

Remote desktop? XP can do it.

DX10 hardware works on XP- it is by design of DX10 that limits SOME of its features to Vista, not by limits of XP. Another marketing ploy to get the world to pay for useless products.

Free programs made for XP already allow backup and restore.

Vista is one of those "ooh shiny and new, must buy" gadgets that Win7 will completely replace.

Stick with XP unless you like to waste time and money.

Can i ask exactly what it is you think that win7 is going to offer over vista?

 

[Narcolepsy]

Vista has the instant search bar in the start menu. You can run programs by typing the first few letters of their name. Try going back to XP after that.

But OS X is the best.

 

[CombineHunter]

I have XP on my desk top pc and i have vista on my laptop,i must say though i dont really like vista i prefer XP.

 

[Pesmerga]

Vista has the instant search bar in the start menu. You can run programs by typing the first few letters of their name. Try going back to XP after that.

But OS X is the best.

Uhh... double clicking an icon on the desktop? Most programs can be executed using the run command line, as well.

See, this is my point. These trivial little buttons and nooks are the only things anyone can say about Vista. When can we go back to huge steps forward like from 98 to XP?

It took Microsoft 6 years to release an operating system since XP in 2001, and Vista is what you all got. Enjoy it, poo poo heads.

Hopefully Win7 will be a real OS with a real reason to change to it.

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

When can we go back to huge steps forward like from 98 to XP?

Since when was XP the successor to 98? They released XP after 2000 (and Me). Name a single thing that XP did that you couldn't some how do in 2000 (or Me).

 

[Narcolepsy]

Uhh... double clicking an icon on the desktop? Most programs can be executed using the run command line, as well.

See, this is my point. These trivial little buttons and nooks are the only things anyone can say about Vista. When can we go back to huge steps forward like from 98 to XP?

It took Microsoft 6 years to release an operating system since XP in 2001, and Vista is what you all got. Enjoy it, poo poo heads.

Hopefully Win7 will be a real OS with a real reason to change to it.

Vista's not the revelation it should have been, but all of those nice touches DO make it better than XP.

 

[Pesmerga]

The transition from 98 to XP took 3 years. And thanks for proving my point? Vista is exactly like Win2000 or WinMe- there was no point to change to it from 98 until XP was released- it was a solid release with a lot of popular support and backing, and actual desired changes.

Win7 should be to XP what XP was to 98. Vista is the bastard step daughter who gets drunk at the prom party and lets all the other virgins **** her just for the attention.

 

[No Limit]

See, this is my point. These trivial little buttons and nooks are the only things anyone can say about Vista. When can we go back to huge steps forward like from 98 to XP?

See, this is my point. You keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again even if you have been shown to be wrong. I gave you a large list of things that are not trivial little buttons, they are important enhancements that make your life much easier.

And the instant search bar is an awesome feature, once I forgot to mention above. Any program you need you can now find instantly. Another feature you would call trivial that isn't really trivial but a time saver.

 

[Pesmerga]

Yes, because your time is so precious. You pretend like you've stumped my argument but you honestly haven't.

Buyer's remorse much?

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

The transition from 98 to XP took 3 years. And thanks for proving my point? Vista is exactly like Win2000 or WinMe- there was no point to change to it from 98 until XP was released- it was a solid release with a lot of popular support and backing, and actual desired changes.

Win7 should be to XP what XP was to 98. Vista is the bastard step daughter who gets drunk at the prom party and lets all the other virgins **** her just for the attention.

Of course there were a lot of changes between 98 and XP, they went through 2 operating systems in between them. 98 - XP does not compare to XP - Vista.

Tell me what could you do in XP that you couldn't some how do in 2000/Me.

 

[kazsymonds]

The transition from 98 to XP took 3 years. And thanks for proving my point? Vista is exactly like Win2000 or WinMe- there was no point to change to it from 98 until XP was released- it was a solid release with a lot of popular support and backing, and actual desired changes.

Win7 should be to XP what XP was to 98.

I'll ask you again, what do you think will be added to Win7 that you cant get on Vista?

Everything you could ever want is constantly being added to Vista and Xp, either by MS or third partys.

When Win7 is released and doesn't have anything over Vista or XP apart from how it looks what will you do? Hold a one man demonstration against progress again?

Vista is the bastard step daughter who gets drunk at the prom party and lets all the other virgins **** her just for the attention.

What? What a completely silly comment, why would you post such a thing when engaging in intelligent debate?

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Vista owns. Accept it. Luna has been killed by Aero. The end.

 

[Pesmerga]

Of course there were a lot of changes between 98 and XP, they went through 2 operating systems in between them. 98 - XP does not compare to XP - Vista.

You're absolutely right, 98 -> XP doesn't come close to comparing with XP -> Vista.

2000 and Me were both useless products, like Vista. "Well why don't you use 2000/Me if they all do the same thing XP does?" - All operating systems have generally given the user the same amount of control over their computer, depending on the software support. Disregarding the fact that I never purchased WinMe or 2000 (thus jumping from 98 to XP was a tremendous leap), WinXP is simply the most solid, developer-supported OS.

Sure, if I went from Win2000 to Vista, I might think higher of Vista. But that's like saying... if I took showers in pig shit (Win2000) when I was a kid, then someone offered to sell me a water shower that just happened to have a bar soap holder in it (Win Vista), I'd think it was great!

But not because of the bar soap holder. Because I can put my soap on the ledge and still appreciate the warm water shower that XP already is.

Kazsyzmonds, Win7 will offer (hopefully) single market dominance. Paying for Vista is like sending Microsoft an email telling them you'll be happy to bend over for them in the future if they ever consider putting out a new product, no matter how useless and trivial its upgrades are.

One day, Linux will have a user-friendly distribution package (even more easy to use than Ubuntu) that will be sold for pennies, and it will (like all Linux distros) have a thousand open source devs working for it, with libraries full of documentation, and large market dominance.

 

[No Limit]

Yes, because your time is so precious.

I wouldn't say my time is precious, but I'm certainly not going to waste it arguing with someone that always think they are right, no matter how much evidance to the contrary.

You pretend like you've stumped my argument but you honestly haven't.

Buyer's remorse much?

I don't have to pretend, I pointed out feature after feature of Vista that makes the switch worth it when you are talking about doing it for a new build. Nothing you have offered here has been rational. Have a good one buddy, keep waiting for your savior win 7, I just hope you don't hold your breath because it will still be a long while.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Kazymonds, do not believe him! NOOOO!

 

[Pesmerga]

I don't have to pretend, I pointed out feature after feature of Vista that makes the switch worth it when you are talking about doing it for a new build. Nothing you have offered here has been rational. Have a good one buddy, keep waiting for your savior win 7, I just hope you don't hold your breath because it will still be a long while.

And then I pointed out how trivial and inconsequential those features were.

Face it, Vista is a pointless product. It's not an upgrade to XP, it's simply an alternative. In six years, Vista turned out to be an alternative. And every time you pay for crappy operating systems, you give more incentive to Microsoft to do the same thing with every asset they control like what they did to DX10.

 

[No Limit]

And then I pointed out how trivial and inconsequential those features were.

Face it, Vista is a pointless product. It's not an upgrade to XP, it's simply an alternative. In six years, Vista turned out to be an alternative. And every time you pay for crappy operating systems, you give more incentive to Microsoft to do the same thing with every asset they control like what they did to DX10.

I guess you forgot the part where I came up with a laundry list of features that popped in to my head, such as remote desktop 6.0, ntbackup will now allow you to do a image of your HD, how there are over 2,400 group policy objects, how you can install software without having to login as administrator.

I should have known better than to drag this argument out with you this far, it's like I'm talking to a child.

 

[Pesmerga]

I was directly referring to your wonder list.

Pointless, trivial. How you can continue defending Vista is beyond me. You called me a fanboy? Look who is defending a $100 GUI theme.

 

[No Limit]

Jesus christ. I am still waiting for that free, fully supported, backup software you were talking about that will make a full image of your HD. Or for you to explain how having 2,400 group policy objects is trivial or a $100 gui theme.

But forget it, I'm done here. Grow up.

 

[Escaep]

A little off topic but can someone point me in the direction of a good Vista theme for XP? I have done google but i am weary as to which sites are good and which are loaded with viruses/spyware.

Anyone? I would use google but i don't know which sites are clean.

 

[No Limit]

Anyone? I would use google but i don't know which sites are clean.

Why would you risk it? A lot of these themes like you said can have spyware. Others will slow down your system. Honestly, I use the windows classic theme on all my computers, absolutely love it.

If you are absolutely set on a vista theme I can't help you as I don't know, sorry.

 

[kazsymonds]

I used to use the theme royal noir for xp, it was developed by microsoft but was never included in the final release.

 

[Escaep]

Why would you risk it? A lot of these themes like you said can have spyware. Others will slow down your system. Honestly, I use the windows classic theme on all my computers, absolutely love it.

If you are absolutely set on a vista theme I can't help you as I don't know, sorry.

I have seen quite a few people here posting pictures of their desktops that have Vista themes. Just wondering where they got them.

 

[Pesmerga]

Jesus christ. I am still waiting for that free, fully supported, backup software you were talking about that will make a full image of your HD. Or for you to explain how having 2,400 group policy objects is trivial or a $100 gui theme.

But forget it, I'm done here. Grow up.

hurf durf

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291US303&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=full+image+HDD

I don't know what those "2,400 group policy objects" are but they're probably retarded and you've probably never used used them. You have yet to bring a good argument for Vista to the table- because guess why? Vista is ****ing redundant software.

You've said good bye like 3 times in this thread- are you sure you're not coming back again? lulz

 

[Eejit]

hurf durf

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291US303&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=full+image+HDD

He specified free.

 

[Pesmerga]

Why should I oblige his stipulations? Vista isn't free- why should I go out of my way to look for something I already know exists just to get him riled up about some other Vista "exclusive".

No, that doesn't mean I didn't find any after about 5 seconds of Googling.

http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/backupandimage.shtml
http://snapbackup.com/download/
http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4u/
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=7add8b9c4a8ff010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD (for Maxtor HDDs)
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/discwizard (for Seagate HDDs)
http://selfimage.excelcia.org/

I would likely run into 10 more open source, free, fully documented programs that do everything he asked and more if I had gone to the next page of results.

You can't defend Vista because it does things a million other apps already do.

 

[Kadayi]

This thread is rapidly descending into one of Morons advocate, with several parties offering up solid reasons why upgrading to Vista is a better idea than XP and the opposing side presenting nothing but constant refusal in return. I'm not seeing any actual solid counter argument....

For me personally I've been using Vista 64 bit for a considerable amount of time now and frankly there is absolutely no way on earth you could pay me enough money to go back to XP. I find Vista extremely responsive and more importantly hassle free, as an OS should be. I can't say that the same was ever true of XP. As an OS it demands a lot of attention from you in order to keep it running in tip top shape, and personally I'm done with that sort of crap these days.

I use macs at work and although neither Imacs or OSX are quite as funkilous as Steve Jobs would have you believe, they are pretty reliable and the OS is a no nonsense experience. It does what it needs to do in that it allows you to navigate quickly and easily around your system and run your applications with the minimum of hassle. More than anything that is what MS have tried to achieve with Vista and overall I'd say they've suceeeded.

Would I wait it out until Windows 7 arrives? Well the way I see it W7 will probably suffer release teething problems in the same way that Vista did and again driver support will probably be poor at release with 3rd parties taking their sweet time. So given that right here and now Vista works pretty well and is maredly a better OS than it's predecessor I'd say there is no reason not to upgrade to it, esp if you run a high end machine and want to get the most out of it.

 

[Pesmerga]

I have never had a single problem with XP that I didn't myself cause. I can not remember this computer crashing to a shut down, and it is not difficult for me to run a disk defrag and CCLeaner wipe once every few weeks. I have never needed to wipe the HDD to fix a problem.

XP is lightning quick responsive. If you claim that XP somehow naturally degrades over time, that's nonsense. If you're claiming that Vista somehow magically maintains itself, that would also be ludicrous. There is no point for anyone to switch to Vista- XP still holds market dominance. Of course it will fail over time, but not because of the merits of Vista, but because of sheer force of will by Microsoft.

I don't recommend anyone "jump to Vista" for the same reason I wouldn't recommend anyone to pay $100 to jump across a puddle.

 

[No Limit]

I don't know what those "2,400 group policy objects" are but they're probably retarded and you've probably never used used them.

Thank you for proving my point, you don't know. Yet you are sitting here trying to lecture someone that does this for a living. Yes, I have and do use group policy objects regularly, you kind of have to if you work in a windows domain enviroment (as most medium-large companies do as well as many smaller companies, hell I run an AD domain at home so I have something to test on). You read internet blogs and think you know better than I do as a result of those blogs. It would be like my doctor telling me that tests prove that I have aids and me coming back and telling him "nah ah" while sticking my tounge out.

I've given enough examples of why going with Vista over XP (on a new build) is the obvious choice. I'm sorry that you think you are smarter than everyone else and will refuse to accept simple facts as a result if it challanges the idea you have in your head that you know everything and nobody around you knows shit. It's okay to be wrong some times, the sooner you accept that the sooner you will grow up (not to mention people will take you more seriously as a result).

By the way, out of all the links you posted only one does a true HD Image of your OS partition. And the free version of that program lacks many features that you would get for free using ntbackup, see for yourself:

http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/backupandimage.shtml

I also mentioned free support/warranty. None of the links you posted come with free support/warranty. That means if your back up doesn't work like its supposed to (which is likely since you are using an unproven unsupported product) you are shit out of luck. Yes, I know, your next line will be that support isn't important. That just further demonstrates your inexperiance in the area.

 

[Pesmerga]

You're so right, No Limit. Forgive me.

 

[No Limit]

You're so right, No Limit. Forgive me.

No apperently you know a lot better than I do. Come on down to albuquerque, you can have my job and all my clients. You clearly think you would be much better at supporting them than I am. I try to keep a good relationship with the people I work with, so it's only fair that my clients and my employer get the best and the brightest out there. :upstare:

 

[Pesmerga]

Please No Limit- I said I was sorry. You've embarrassed me.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Pesh, please try Vista 64 with sp1 before you say anything else. On powerful computers Vista is faster than XP. Vista is a next gen OS. XP, sadly, is now fading.

 

[blackout]

so if I got a Vista as my new PC is there any quick way of sorting out the graphical problem?

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

What graphical problem?

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Oh god you people discussed without me! *reads pages*

^yeah, what graphical problem?