yes or no, source code real?

[Dr-X]

If this package really contain part of the HL2 netcode, than yes, HL2 will be unplayable online

that's the kinda of things im talking about, how can you possibly reach that conclusion? Use your damn head, think for a second, why would that be the case AT ALL?

 

[wowyouareacow]

Originally posted by Dr-X
if it is legit, it's almost definately just a leaked SDK, as i said way back hours ago. If it is, oh well, no harm done.

What im getting most frustrated at is people jumping to rediculas conclusions like the game wont come out till next year, it will be suspened, heads will roll, the world will halt, we'll all die etc.

Heads will roll I think. The world will still be here but someone in for a world of trouble I think

 

[Ares]

Originally posted by Dr-X
if it is legit, it's almost definately just a leaked SDK, as i said way back hours ago. If it is, oh well, no harm done.

What im getting most frustrated at is people jumping to rediculas conclusions like the game wont come out till next year, it will be suspened, heads will roll, the world will halt, we'll all die etc.

Agreed. I'm trying not to jump to conclusions like that.. I'm jumping between whether or not this stuff is real.

I just read about it possibly being the/an SDK in the other thread so now that is something we have to keep on the table.

 

[Dr-X]

i would put money on it that this is a mere bump in the road at most, and will not affect valves plans.

 

[TripleDES]

As I said, one still has confirm how much of this code is actually HL2 code.

Not that anyone would value my opinion, but I say it actually is the games source code. However it is probably useless because it is JUST the code.

 

[Dr-X]

we value everyones opinion here (well i do anyway) but i dont agree.

 

[o2slim]

I am blowing up here I want to take a look into this so bad. I acctually develop games and may be able to look deeply into this

 

[VaPorZ]

im not a programmer, but its easy to see the hl2_combine.txt file is fake.... as someone else said, they have replaced "grunt" with "combine"
everything i read of it covered the behavior off hl1 grunts....
run from grenades, take cover from grenades, something about shotgun and smg1 weapons, etc

 

[vacs]

Originally posted by Dr-X
that's the kinda of things im talking about, how can you possibly reach that conclusion? Use your damn head, think for a second, why would that be the case AT ALL?

You seem to have no clue what this means for online playing IF this archive really contains the HL2 netcode.

Every heard of cheats and exploits?

 

[o2slim]

vacs check pm

 

[wowyouareacow]

Originally posted by Dr-X
we value everyones opinion here (well i do anyway) but i dont agree.

yea what was that name u had for us that had a different opinion?


edit: typo

 

[Dr-X]

Every heard of cheats and exploits?

yes vacs, and that's what updates are for. remember why we have steam? remember why it's not such a bad technology after all?

I'm not stupid vacs, having access to the netcode is not the be all and end all of cheat manufacturers. Must I remind you again to THINK before we SPEAK?

 

[azz0r]

What if...TF2 was HL2's multiplayer! HOW FRIGGIN LEET

 

[Ares]

Originally posted by azz0r
What if...TF2 was HL2's multiplayer! HOW FRIGGIN LEET

Heh, careful man.. you'll get a thrashin for this one
It's one of my theories too, but people jump on ya saying there's no possible way heh.

 

[Dr-X]

What if...TF2 was HL2's multiplayer! HOW FRIGGIN LEET

[sarcasm]wow what an amazing new theory![/sarcasm]

Like ive said earlier, anyone who has even a basic understanding of marketing would realise why TF2 couldnt be HL2's multiplayer, and this theory should stay in the dream world in which it was born

 

[Ares]

Originally posted by VaPorZ
im not a programmer, but its easy to see the hl2_combine.txt file is fake.... as someone else said, they have replaced "grunt" with "combine"
everything i read of it covered the behavior off hl1 grunts....
run from grenades, take cover from grenades, something about shotgun and smg1 weapons, etc

That hasn't been established as true.. yet..

 

[azz0r]

Cant a brother dream :9

 

[Ares]

Originally posted by Dr-X
[sarcasm]wow what an amazing new theory![/sarcasm]

Like ive said earlier, anyone who has even a basic understanding of marketing would realise why TF2 couldnt be HL2's multiplayer, and this theory should stay in the dream world in which it was born

See, that's what I meant by thrashing..

 

[Nathaniel]

Valve have already stated that TF2 WILL be a standalone game. And as far as I know, they haven't purposely lied to us yet. The whole releasedate thing was more of a misunderstanding, they did believe that they could have made the releasedate.

...So I really don't think TF2 is HL2's multiplayer. I think it will be something really out of the ordinary, something totally new and great fun.

 

[mrchimp]

The reason why TF2 may be mentioned in there is simply because the programmer has used code for TF2 to solve problems in HL2 instead of rewriteing the code or at one point TF2 was to be included in HL2 but is no longer and the code has been left in there because it is still has a purpose in normal HL2 multiplayer.

 

[Dr-X]

i agree with Nathaniel on this one, well and truly, especially:

I think it will be something really out of the ordinary, something totally new and great fun.

 

[derby]

Originally posted by VaPorZ
im not a programmer, but its easy to see the hl2_combine.txt file is fake.... as someone else said, they have replaced "grunt" with "combine"
everything i read of it covered the behavior off hl1 grunts....
run from grenades, take cover from grenades, something about shotgun and smg1 weapons, etc

Reasons you are probably wrong:

*The word 'grunt' appears several times, both in comments and funciton calls if they had just replaced 'grunt' with 'combine' these occurances would have been replaced. Also 'human grunts' are mentioned.

*This file states that HL1 behaviour is missing, so they based most of the early AI on HL1. If it was HL1 code why would they talk about HL1 rather than just HL?

*Did valve release the HL1 source code? I dont think so....

*And like you stated you're not a programmer. So don't comment on things you don't know about.

 

[derby]

Originally posted by Digital.dk
Looks like HL, TFC, UT, UT2003, QUAKE, and all those games mixed, really lame

I don't think so.... if it was a hoax why add folders like CS, Hl1, TF2 etc. that just make it seem not genuine?

 

[Dr-X]

so people like you will believe it and get all wet?

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by derby
Reasons you are probably wrong:

*The word 'grunt' appears several times, both in comments and funciton calls if they had just replaced 'grunt' with 'combine' these occurances would have been replaced. Also 'human grunts' are mentioned.

*This file states that HL1 behaviour is missing, so they based most of the early AI on HL1. If it was HL1 code why would they talk about HL1 rather than just HL?

*Did valve release the HL1 source code? I dont think so....

*And like you stated you're not a programmer. So don't comment on things you don't know about.

But why have have the word "grunt" at all? Especially in the comments, that's where it most doesnt make sense. For me it seems that someone used case sensetive replacing (Grunt -> Combine, GRUNT -> COMBINE) and missed grunt -> combine. But yeah, that doesnt isnt really correct either since "combine" is used in the file...

 

[alehm]

Originally posted by vacs


Anyway, you're completely right about the intellectual property but it's valve business to protect its intellectual property, not ours.

Anyone who is involved has responsibility. If you have the code and share knowingly that Vavle does not want you to then you are responsible for your own actions.

Maybe by the time HL3 comes out Valve isn't going be so chummy with the community because their "fans" pose as Vavle employees to get confidential information and post source code that they know Vavle does not want shared. Then of course the same punks that do these kinds of things will be complaining the loudest how Valve doesn't care about thier fans anymore.

LOL, placing all the responsibility on Valve. Ok, for HL3 Gabe should just hire robots that are immune to the temptation of leaking source code.

 

[derby]

Originally posted by Dr-X
so people like you will believe it and get all wet?

Like a triple bluff, interesting thoery. Although you can apply that argument to anything it's essentailly meaningless.

I'm sure they'll lock these threads soon, so we'll just wait and see who turns out to be right.

 

[vacs]

Originally posted by Dr-X
yes vacs, and that's what updates are for. remember why we have steam? remember why it's not such a bad technology after all?

I'm not stupid vacs, having access to the netcode is not the be all and end all of cheat manufacturers. Must I remind you again to THINK before we SPEAK?

Let's calm down a bit, will ya?

What good is a patch if you know how to use the backdoor?
Having an insight on how the netcode works makes it much much easier to write effective and powerful cheats.

In case you haven't played CS in the last few years. There are cheats available for over a year and still haven't been fixed and this without the source code being available. Now imagine what will happen to HL2 if the netcode leaks...

Of course you can still deny the fact but that won't change anything for real.

Anyway, I'm tired explaining this problem to someone who doesn't want to understand it. I will ignore any further message you post about this issue...

 

[derby]

Originally posted by dawdler
But why have have the word "grunt" at all? Especially in the comments, that's where it most doesnt make sense. For me it seems that someone used case sensetive replacing (Grunt -> Combine, GRUNT -> COMBINE) and missed grunt -> combine. But yeah, that doesnt isnt really correct either since "combine" is used in the file...

'Grunt' is just slang they use for combine soldiers which are essentially grunts. I'm not saying that this file alone prooves the code is real but the presence of 'grunt' and 'GRUNT' disprove any multi-replace theory.

But if you look at all the files, there's so much stuff specific to hl2 all the stuff about the manipulator, that can't be from another game and if fake must have been written mostly from scratch.

 

[vacs]

Originally posted by alehm
LOL, placing all the responsibility on Valve. Ok, for HL3 Gabe should just hire robots that are immune to the temptation of leaking source code.

In the end it's all valve's responsiblity! It's true that everyone posting here in these forums could voluntary decide to stop distributing this archive but that wouldn't change anything because thousand others users are sharing it through torrent.

It's like you say that if a virus leaks from a laboratory that everyone helping it widespreading around the world is responsible for the infections. Wrong, it shouldn't have leaked in the first place.

Of course this leak is somewhat different (because we ARE reponsible for what we download and distribute) but the principle is the same.

Again, it still needs to be proved that this is legit HL2 code.

 

[dawdler]

Originally posted by derby
'Grunt' is just slang they use for combine soldiers which are essentially grunts. I'm not saying that this file alone prooves the code is real but the presence of 'grunt' and 'GRUNT' disprove any multi-replace theory.

But if you look at all the files, there's so much stuff specific to hl2 all the stuff about the manipulator, that can't be from another game and if fake must have been written mostly from scratch.

True... Can we get a few such files posted like the combine text?
For instance, AI for Striders (no eqvivalent by far in HL). Or stuff on DOG. The manipulator or pheromone nade, etc. Or did someone post the files and I missed it? (since you talked about the manipulator, or did you only see a filename...)

Edit: No, that wouldnt be good really. Shouldnt encourage such spread

 

[Guest]

It's real you god damn morons. People posting "No it's fake" are either retarded or havent even looked at it (The screenshots are NOTHING compared to the real thing)

 

[derby]

No, I've read through the manipulator code. The code calls it a physics cannon, but it's clearly the manipulator. It talks about where on the screen held objects should hover, what happens when they're launched etc. It's very convincing.

 

[MrD]

no files allowed, says the mods.

which is fair enough.

 

[derby]

And I don't think PiMuRho would be happy about anyone posting exceprts or whole pieces of code...

 

[freddythefrog]

FUKC THIS LEAK MAKES ME ANGRY

sorrry for shouting, but really... If the leak is real, which is quite obvious since so much hl2 specific stuff is included (noone has so much time to write that by himself) that means almost 100% a new delay. Valve is gonna get into problems (juristic nature), network code will have to be rewritten, stuff is going to be stolen from them etc.
And delay not for making the game even better, no, just to make sure noone is able to cheat cus all darn cheaters are writing hacks!?
And think of all the spoilers. I got a whole new information just by flying through the txt file that was uploaded here somewhere...



ARGH.
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[MrD]

Originally posted by derby
No, I've read through the manipulator code. The code calls it a physics cannon, but it's clearly the manipulator. It talks about where on the screen held objects should hover, what happens when they're launched etc. It's very convincing.

Yup, so convincing that my current inkling (sp?) is that it is real.

Though I'm always open to being proved wrong!

 

[mrchimp]

LOL this poll is going to answer questions...

 

[Ares]

Well, there were a few misvotes.. what he had worded for the title and then the poll it self were opposite.

 

[Arno]

Originally posted by dawdler
But why have have the word "grunt" at all? Especially in the comments, that's where it most doesnt make sense.

It is possible that Valve reused parts of the HL1 grunt code as a base for the HL2 combine code. Like, the programmer over there at Valve could have taken the grunt code file and edited it to make it work for the combine. And when he got it working he didn't bother about removing the HL1 references. After all, the code isn't supposed to be read in public anyway.

Well, that's just my theory. I haven't seen the rest of the code so I can't judge whether it's real or not.