61.45 drivers reviewed at AnandTech

[x84D80Yx]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2091&p=18

109 fps at 1600x1200 in farcry= wow

 

[simmo]

Holy christmas thats fast , I thought the X800 was ment to be faster ? :|, ah well

 

[x84D80Yx]

they both are fast ass cards, looks like the 6800 got some boost with these new drivers.

 

[Maxi]

I liek teh X800 better cause it's name is cooler and it's ATI. I'm ati for another generation, then it's back to nvidia for 2 more.

 

[x84D80Yx]

I liek teh X800 better cause it's name is cooler

the fukc?

 

[ShinRa]

The ultra loses consistantly without AA and AF on. So sure if you'd like to play without AA and AF the ultras the better choice (why you would i have no idea)

 

[Sprafa]

100fps in FC. damn

I would certainly like to see it with the PS 3.0 on...

Although it's interesting to see the abrupt fall with AA

 

[bosox188]

The X800 still pwns it with AA and AF on, although in Jedi Academy it doesn't make a difference in either card. They didn't mention which cards did better at Divx encoding, but I know the X800 would beat everything, ATi cards are optimized for encoding Divx and other Mpeg-4, it says it on Divx player. If you have a 9500 or higher, you'll be able to encode at blazing fast speeds without using up your cpu. My card's terrible, it only takes about an hour to encode a full movie, but the computer gets so slow it's impossible to do anything else.

 

[lePobz]

nVidia always loses to ATi when AA/AF are turned on full... nVidia 'optimisations' usually mean sacrificing image quality too, which isn't good.

I think i'll stick to my AGP8x X800 XT Platinum for now, who knows... maybe in a few years, nVidia will wipe the floor with ATi. That i'd like to see!

 

[x84D80Yx]

nVidia always loses to ATi when AA/AF are turned on full...

look at openGL games. and in far cry at 1600x1200 4xaa/8xaf the 6800 only lost by .4 fps.

nVidia 'optimisations' usually mean sacrificing image quality too, which isn't good.

thats pretty false lol. look at IQ reviews. ati and nvidia are pretty even in IQ this round. and in 8xaa w/ SS you can notice a nice IQ increase because of the SS.

They didn't mention which cards did better at Divx encoding, but I know the X800 would beat everything, ATi cards are optimized for encoding Divx and other Mpeg-4, it says it on Divx player.

i guess you havent heard that the 6800 has a On-Chip Video Processor .

im not tryin to be nvdia PR or anything lol, just lettin you know.

 

[lePobz]

nVidia do own in OpenGL but unfortunately OpenGL is on its way out.

nVidia Optimisations reduced image quality all the way through the FX series, and I did say 'usually'. What part of that is false?

I'm an nVidia fanboy too, n3wb. I'm glad nVidia are catching up to ATi in D3D performance. The fact I've bought an X800 XT Plat does not make me any less of an nVidia fanboy.

 

[x84D80Yx]

lol bro, i never called you a fanboy. dont put words in my mouth.

nVidia do own in OpenGL but unfortunately OpenGL is on its way out.

rofl where did you hear this? even ati knows that openGL will be important in the future, they will be reinventing their whole openGL support for better performance in future drivers. how long this will take, i dont know.

nVidia Optimisations reduced image quality all the way through the FX series, and I did say 'usually'. What part of that is false?

like i said

ati and nvidia are pretty even in IQ this round.

keywords = this round., nvidia has stepped it up from that peice of shit they call the fx series.

 

[lePobz]

5 or so years ago almost half (if not more) of games ran in OpenGL, but these days theres only the odd one or two that do... Microsofts DirectX is dominating the games industry, just as they are dominating everything else.

OpenGL is being used increasingly for Workstation uses like CAD, CAM, Maya/Max etc.

 

[bosox188]

i guess you havent heard that the 6800 has a On-Chip Video Processor .

im not tryin to be nvdia PR or anything lol, just lettin you know.

I didn't know that. I don't know if the 6800 is the same, but I heard the problem was that Nvidia's cards make the processor and stuff do more of the work in games and encoding, people call it "lazy." ATi's cards do most of the work, which enables the computer to do other tasks. This is why my computer slows up and can't do anything else if I'm encoding something, my cpu is doing the work, not my 5200.

 

[blahblahblah]

So nobody finds it disturbing that the 6800 Ultra looses half of its frame rates turning 4 AA and 8AF on?

As for OpenGL, as long as ID Software is still making games, OpenGL will still be around for games.

 

[simmo]

i'll stick to my AGP8x X800 XT Platinum for now

god I hate you now lol

 

[Arno]

5 or so years ago almost half (if not more) of games ran in OpenGL, but these days theres only the odd one or two that do.

Not really. More then half of the games are OpenGL nowadays. Take a look at the top ten online games from gamespy.com/stats:

1. Half Life <-- has OpenGL support
2. Wolfenstein: ET <-- OpenGL only
3. Call of Duty <-- OpenGL only
4. America's Army
5. Battlefield 1942
6. Medal of Honor: AA <-- OpenGL only
7. Neverwinter Nights <-- OpenGL only
8. Battlefield: Vietnam
9. Medal of Honor: AA Spearhead <-- OpenGL only
10. Unreal Tournament 2004 <-- has OpenGL support

 

[x84D80Yx]

Not really. More then half of the games are OpenGL nowadays. Take a look at the top ten online games from gamespy.com/stats:

1. Half Life <-- has OpenGL support
2. Wolfenstein: ET <-- OpenGL only
3. Call of Duty <-- OpenGL only
4. America's Army
5. Battlefield 1942
6. Medal of Honor: AA <-- OpenGL only
7. Neverwinter Nights <-- OpenGL only
8. Battlefield: Vietnam
9. Medal of Honor: AA Spearhead <-- OpenGL only
10. Unreal Tournament 2004 <-- has OpenGL support

yeah, exactly why ati is revamping their openGL support for better performance, they arnt stupid.

 

[Sprafa]

You just contradicted yourself again.....

 

[x84D80Yx]

You just contradicted yourself again.....

.....how so?

 

[ShinRa]

Do you think Nvidia is the only company that can make drivers to enhance openGL performance? They could easily make drivers that could do circles around a 6800.

 

[Sprafa]

ok, forget about it, confused your post with Pobz's.

 

[x84D80Yx]

Do you think Nvidia is the only company that can make drivers to enhance openGL performance?

i guess you didnt read what i said. :\

They could easily make drivers that could do circles around a 6800.

then why havent they if its so easy?

 

[Alig]

nVidia do own in OpenGL but unfortunately OpenGL is on its way out.

nVidia Optimisations reduced image quality all the way through the FX series, and I did say 'usually'. What part of that is false?

I'm an nVidia fanboy too, n3wb. I'm glad nVidia are catching up to ATi in D3D performance. The fact I've bought an X800 XT Plat does not make me any less of an nVidia fanboy.

OpenGL is on its way out my arse man...one of the few, biggest hyped games is nearly out with OpenGL, Doom3.

Edit/ At the end of the day both cards are ****ing amazing and if playing top line games at 60 fps with AA/AF @ 1600x1200 isnt enough then you e-penis really needs to shrink.

Considering something like 50%+ out of the 400'000+ people that did the survey just after you install Steam say they run at 1024x780 ressolution then i dont think it really matters because both cards ****ing anhilate the best most gfx hungry games out now at 1024x780.

Guinny you talk some crap man, ati would'nt leave something out if they knew how to DO IT already. Ati might beat nvidia with AA/AF but hardly "own" anything, if you really want down to earth answers then the nvidia is better in that respect because it really does "own" the ati in openGL where as the ATI only marginly "beats" the nvidia in some D3D games.

And this shit about jaggies "who wants to play with jaggies" is crap, they are hardly noticeable, only when you are specificly 'looking' for jaggies do you really notice them.

 

[ShinRa]

Alig you can notice an emmense difference between jaggies and smooth edges. The game looks more crisp, and does an overall image quality improvement.

 

[poseyjmac]

my radeon 9700 pro is a snail

 

[x84D80Yx]

Alig you can notice an emmense difference between jaggies and smooth edges. The game looks more crisp, and does an overall image quality improvement.

you still havent answered my question

 

[ShinRa]

Sry, the answer to your question is - ok maybe not EASILY, but givem time, ati always pulls through.

 

[x84D80Yx]

i think we can all agree to lable guinny, a fanboy. :\

 

[ShinRa]

What I would give to flame you to death right now.

on a lighter note. I'm not a fanboy, I love facts. ATi always has pulled through, and they at least didn't make a shitty ass line of cards cough*FX*cough. And whatever cards they might have lacked in, were always made up for with driver releases.

 

[x84D80Yx]

so this isnt a fanboyish remark?

Do you think Nvidia is the only company that can make drivers to enhance openGL performance? They could easily make drivers that could do circles around a 6800.

it makes it even more fanboyish when you cant back up your logic.

im sure if ati could just easily release a driver that makes their card "do circles" around the competition, we would already see them.

What I would give to flame you to death right now.

be my guest :smoking:

 

[poseyjmac]

cmon now guinny. if you have 'faith' in a company, you are definately a 'fan'.

although i dont like the word fanboy cause there are many adults here. so then they should be called a fanman. lol

 

[crabcakes66]

:
And this shit about jaggies "who wants to play with jaggies" is crap, they are hardly noticeable, only when you are specificly 'looking' for jaggies do you really notice them.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said but this is BS.

I cant stand jaggies. If you cant see them than your ****ing blind. If you dont mind jaggies, good for you.

 

[Asus]

Do you think Nvidia is the only company that can make drivers to enhance openGL performance? They could easily make drivers that could do circles around a 6800.

then why havent they if its so easy?

ATI has said they put importance on games that need improvment rather than OpenGL games that are 150+FPS.

I agree about jaggies. I usually can't stand jaggies but the blurry textures in front of me bother me more, actually. I use AF before AA. I usually run my games at 1280X1024 with 4X AF. Sometimes 1024x768 8X AF/2X AA. Depends on the game though.

 

[x84D80Yx]

ATI has said they put importance on games that need improvment rather than OpenGL games that are 150+FPS.

you have a quote/link on this?

revamping their openGL would help all openGL games in performance anyway you cut it.

 

[Asus]

you have a quote/link on this?

revamping their openGL would help all openGL games in performance anyway you cut it.

I believe I have found it!

 

[Arno]

I'm not a fanboy, I love facts. ATi always has pulled through, and they at least didn't make a shitty ass line of cards cough*FX*cough.

Speaking of facts, ATi did make some "shitty ass" cards in the (distant) past.

 

[Alig]

What I would give to flame you to death right now.

on a lighter note. I'm not a fanboy, I love facts. ATi always has pulled through, and they at least didn't make a shitty ass line of cards cough*FX*cough. And whatever cards they might have lacked in, were always made up for with driver releases.

Your not a fanboy but you want to flame someone to death because they dont agree with you about ATI. K whatever trevor.

Ati only started rivaling nvidia with the 9700...before that card they was no where on the map to be seen so you like facts but you need to get your facts right because NO, ati dont always pull through ok.

The FX isnt a bad line of cards...you just go off ****ing rumours and one-off's E.G you think the 6800 is ****ing toss because it needs a 450W psu (which is a load of unoffical babble) _BUT_ you have a 550W psu for what god damn reason? / The 5600FX sucked (the hoover one) not because it was actually a BAD card on fps/games/benchmarks but because it was loud....if you want to play that game pal then ATI really ****ing suck because they have made countless sucky sucky cards over the years.

This whole 6800 vs x800 is green apples Vs red apples...one tastes sweet and one tastes sour, both are apple flavoured and both are nice.

 

[x84D80Yx]

Alig just owned guinny

 

[Direwolf]

If theres room to argue then I'm fine with buying the one I'm most comfortable with. This rig has run well with Radeon cards for years, so I'll continue with those.