$800,000 To Wash Your Penis

[RakuraiTenjin]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75198

The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), spent $823,200 of economic stimulus funds in 2009 on a study by a UCLA research team to teach uncircumcised African men how to wash their genitals after having sex.

The genitalia-washing program is part of a larger $12-million UCLA study examining how to better encourage Africans to undergo voluntary HIV testing and counseling – however, only the penis-washing study received money from the 2009 economic stimulus law. The washing portion of the study is set to end in 2011.

“NIH Announces the Availability of Recovery Act Funds for Competitive Revision Applications,” the grant abstract states. “We propose to evaluate the feasibility of a post-coital genital hygiene study among men unwilling to be circumcised in Orange Farm, South Africa.”

Oh GOOD GOD. :x

That's just disgusting. And who needs to be taught to wash their dick? Glad I'm cut and don't have to worry about nasty ass smegma like a lot of people from other continents do. SICK

 

[kineaesth]

I don't see anything wrong with this program at all. It's disgusting because it might get people to clean their junk?

Top quality thread as usual

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I don't see anything wrong with this program at all. It's disgusting because it might get people to clean their junk?

Top quality thread as usual

It's disgusting because people would see a nasty, sticky, stinking mess in their junk and NOT think "maybe I should wash this off." Who has to be TAUGHT to do so???!

I dont care how primitive you are. Even tribesmen know to wipe their ass when they shit, you'd think the other "out tube" would have the same rule.

 

[kineaesth]

Except that the entire idea seems focused on post-coital hygiene and its effects on HIV - “If we find that men are able to practice consistent washing practices after sex, we will plan to test whether this might protect men from becoming HIV infected in a later study,”.

They're not teaching people how to wash their penises, they're doing a study into the effects of the promotion of post-coital genital hygiene practices.

 

[mindless_moder]

I think you're assuming a lot about the men there with a very limited amount of information from that article.

Because AIDS researchers have been unsuccessful in convincing most adult African men to undergo circumcision

how do these two relate ? are uncircumcised men more prone to getting AIDS ?.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

There's conflicting evidence.

 

[Escaep]

So it took $800,000 to accomplish the same thing when a normal person could've spent $1000 and done it?

 

[Krynn72]

So it took $800,000 to accomplish the same thing when a normal person could've spent $1000 and done it?

Considering a ticket to Africa from the US is $1,200 or more... I think you're making shit up!

 

[Vegeta897]

So it took $800,000 to accomplish the same thing when a normal person could've spent $1000 and done it?

Please enlighten us.

Here let me get you started just fill in the blanks:

1. $1000
2. ________
3. ________
4. ???
5. Profit!

 

[Warped]

Please enlighten us.

Here let me get you started just fill in the blanks:

1. $1000
2. _Water_
3. _Food_
4. Jesus
5. Profit!

also there is a program for everything in this country. hell the $800,000 would have bought us 1 more school in America, but dick washing is much more important at the time.

 

[kineaesth]

Because AIDS researchers have been unsuccessful in convincing most adult African men to undergo circumcision

****ing fair enough, too.

 

[Escaep]

Considering a ticket to Africa from the US is $1,200 or more... I think you're making shit up!

Considering I didn't factor in the plane ticket......

Please enlighten us.

Here let me get you started just fill in the blanks:

1. $1000
2. ________
3. ________
4. ???
5. Profit!

I don't see how it takes $800,000 to teach people how to use soap. So please, enlighten me.

1. $1000
2. Apply soap to genitals
3. Rinse off
4. ???
5. Profit!

 

[Vegeta897]

So like, what is the $1000 for exactly? You picked that number.

 

[Maestro]

The derp-a-derps on this board don't understand: educating large numbers of people in an environment where mass media does not exist (in which case it would be more expensive), there is a large number of funds required to ensure the proper information is disseminated. Also, OP, did you think that maybe a culture where many people do not even understand the concept of germs might need to have sexual hygiene explained? Just maybe?

A normal person could teach a village, maybe a dozen, but it's expensive to get that sort of information out quickly and effectively. You have to come up with an effective way to put it out, then get the people, and then pay them, and then pay for their equipment.

My guess is that 800K was far short of the needed funds. Now stop being shallow asshats and realize that to get shit done it costs money.

 

[Lucid]

That's some expensive soap, bro.

Also, I'm uncut.
Wanna fight?

 

[Escaep]

So like, what is the $1000 for exactly? You picked that number.

Buying soap. Could be $10,000 I don't know. I didn't see in the article what the $800,000 was used for. Did they buy $800,000 worth of soap? If so thats a different story. Or did they buy $50,000 worth of soap and spend the money on "research"?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The derp-a-derps on this board don't understand: educating large numbers of people in an environment where mass media does not exist (in which case it would be more expensive), there is a large number of funds required to ensure the proper information is disseminated. Also, OP, did you think that maybe a culture where many people do not even understand the concept of germs might need to have sexual hygiene explained? Just maybe?

A normal person could teach a village, maybe a dozen, but it's expensive to get that sort of information out quickly and effectively. You have to come up with an effective way to put it out, then get the people, and then pay them, and then pay for their equipment.

My guess is that 800K was far short of the needed funds. Now stop being shallow asshats and realize that to get shit done it costs money.

They know about germs, they're not THAT backwards. I'd figure the 800k since it was stimulus money would've paid for at least educating Americans on penis washing though!

This whole thing is hillarious. "That nasty, stinking, sticky penis cheese.. yeah.. um.. you should probably wash that off"

 

[Vegeta897]

Yeah bro

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Totally dude

 

[Maestro]

They know about germs, they're not THAT backwards. I'd figure the 800k since it was stimulus money would've paid for at least educating Americans on penis washing though!

This whole thing is hillarious. "That nasty, stinking, sticky penis cheese.. yeah.. um.. you should probably wash that off"

You are making an assumption that you can't back up. In fact most of Africa is frighteningly undereducated simply from lack of funds. That's what stuff like this is for. It is to educate people of the risks.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

You are making an assumption that you can't back up. In fact most of Africa is frighteningly undereducated simply from lack of funds. That's what stuff like this is for. It is to educate people of the risks.

Considering it was stimulus money, they should've been teaching Americans about penis washing with that 800,000 not exporting it to Africa.

Either way, you aren't able to backup the claim that most Africans don't know about germs, either. All of Africa is not tribesmen chucking spears you know.

 

[Robbo]

It's a scientific study which means that not only do you need to buy penis soap but you need to set up ways to monitor the success of that programme into the future and be able to report on these results at a later date. I also assume that they would produce posters and leaflets etc.. to keep people aware of their message.
$800,000 is a small amount compaired to what the world spends treating AIDS around the world. If this study reduces the amount of people with AIDS then it will save FAR more money than was spent on it.

Did none of you do science at uni???????

 

[Escaep]

It's a scientific study which means that not only do you need to buy penis soap but you need to set up ways to monitor the success of that programme into the future and be able to report on these results at a later date. I also assume that they would produce posters and leaflets etc.. to keep people aware of their message.
$800,000 is a small amount compaired to what the world spends treating AIDS around the world. If this study reduces the amount of people with AIDS then it will save FAR more money than was spent on it.

Did none of you do science at uni???????

They didn't offer Penis Washing 101.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It's a scientific study which means that not only do you need to buy penis soap but you need to set up ways to monitor the success of that programme into the future and be able to report on these results at a later date. I also assume that they would produce posters and leaflets etc.. to keep people aware of their message.
$800,000 is a small amount compaired to what the world spends treating AIDS around the world. If this study reduces the amount of people with AIDS then it will save FAR more money than was spent on it.

Did none of you do science at uni???????

I have a real hard time believing smegma is a major cause in the spread of AIDS

 

[Naph]

I have a real hard time believing smegma is a major cause in the spread of AIDS

Holy ****ing ****.

 

[kineaesth]

I'm pretty sure that Rakurai made this thread with absolutely no knowledge of what the original article was about or what his opinion was on it.

It's gone from "ew, gross, uncircumcised dicks" to "Why can't Africans wash their own dicks" to "Why didn't Americans get the dick-washing money" (???) to the link between ****ing smegma and 'AIDS'.

I have a real hard time believing smegma is a major cause in the spread of AIDS

ps you can't 'spread' AIDS, you ignoramus.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm pretty sure that Rakurai made this thread with absolutely no knowledge of what the original article was about or what his opinion was on it.
It's gone from "ew, gross, uncircumcised dicks" to "Why can't Africans wash their own dicks" to "Why didn't Americans get the dick-washing money" (???) to the link between ****ing smegma and 'AIDS'.

The reason it took such a turn was I was trying to avoid this being a political thread but it's hard not to. I was trying REAL hard not to mention the waste of stimulus funds on FOREIGN countries.

Thought this article was entertaining enough to be posted in the regular "The Lounge" and it IS- regardless of political opinion on the subject. But excuse me for trying to liven the place up a bit.

ps you can't 'spread' AIDS, you ignoramus.

Did I say "them spreading AIDS"

No- I said "The spread of AIDS" which yes- is caused by the spread of the HIV.


BY THE WAY

"If most of the men in the study wash their genitals after sex, are willing to do so after the study ends, and report that their partners accept the regimen, the researchers will develop another study to see if the “penile cleansing procedure” actually works to prevent HIV infections."


THAT MEANS- this isn't even a study of if it works! They will do ANOTHER study after this if the men even participate as they're supposed to!!!


This is spreading like wildfire on the web, and honestly this is the only site I've seen (and that's including Digg) where people are jumping to the defense of such a waste of money

It's a scientific study which means that not only do you need to buy penis soap but you need to set up ways to monitor the success of that programme into the future and be able to report on these results at a later date.

Nope- that is not part of this study. They stated that would be a different study later on if the men even participate as they're supposed to.

 

[kineaesth]

Don't double post.

The reason it took such a turn was I was trying to avoid this being a political thread but it's hard not to. I was trying REAL hard not to mention the waste of stimulus funds on FOREIGN countries.

Thought this article was entertaining enough to be posted in the regular "The Lounge" and it IS- regardless of political opinion on the subject. But excuse me for trying to liven the place up a bit.

Would you consider all foreign aid a waste of money? HIV infection is a global issue, it seems bizarre to sit back and do nothing when some basic education can do so much to make people aware of HIV and aware of how to protect themselves.

"If most of the men in the study wash their genitals after sex, are willing to do so after the study ends, and report that their partners accept the regimen, the researchers will develop another study to see if the “penile cleansing procedure” actually works to prevent HIV infections."


THAT MEANS- this isn't even a study of if it works! They will do ANOTHER study after this if the men even participate as they're supposed to!!!


This is spreading like wildfire on the web, and honestly this is the only site I've seen (and that's including Digg) where people are jumping to the defense of such a waste of money

Uh, so you have a problem with research? That's what this is, essentially: a real-world experiment on the effectiveness of this sort of education and information.

Also complaining about 800,000 dollars seems pretty petty

Nothing to do with military spending, just showing that that amount of money is incredibly insignificant compared to the possible good this research could do.

 

[Robbo]

I have a real hard time believing smegma is a major cause in the spread of AIDS

Yes but we don't base policy decisions on what people believe anymore. I was more getting at the fact that this is a question that needs an answer based in evidence and that getting that evidence will cost money.

Also I believe Penis Washing was part of the primary school curriculum

Nope- that is not part of this study. They stated that would be a different study later on if the men even participate as they're supposed to.

And they can't do that later study unless they set this one up properly. You can just tell people to wash their junk then wait to see if AIDS has dropped, you need to keep track of who you told and if they kept doing what you wanted them to do and then compare the rate of AIDS among those people and the rest of the population. Yes some may not do "what they're supposed to" but that means the technique is a bad one and needs to be changed, however you look at it it adds to our knowledge.

 

[VirusType2]

The reason it took such a turn was I was trying to avoid this being a political thread but it's hard not to. I was trying REAL hard not to mention the waste of stimulus funds on FOREIGN countries.

America is the richest country in the world, yet donates a shamefully small amount to foreign countries in need. $800,000 is the equivalent of Scrooge McDuck throwing some change in the can to help the mentally handicapped.

You know, I'm all for other countries taking care of themselves and not relying on charity, but the spread of HIV is a world-wide problem, and so, this benefits Americans too, as selfish as that sounds (another reason to be ashamed).

For what it's worth, it took a $10,000 per year private education (health class in a private school) to teach me to wash my junk, and to try to urinate after sex to reduce the risk of infections.

 

[kineaesth]

For what it's worth, it took a $10,000 per year private education (health class in a private school) to teach me to wash my junk, and to try to urinate after sex to reduce the risk of infections.

I urinate during sex :dozey:

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

America is the richest country in the world, yet donates a shamefully small amount to foreign countries in need. $800,000 is the equivalent of Scrooge McDuck throwing some change in the can to help the mentally handicapped.

O RLY? #4 on the list. And this is per capita, so it's not an unfair representation

And that aid is limited due to this reality (not to be image happy but its a perfect explanation via comic)

 

[kineaesth]

That huge "Private Philanthropy" bar is very interesting. It might well back up Virus' point.

edit: As in, it seems to indicate that Americans give more than America.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

That huge "Private Philanthropy" bar is very interesting. It might well back up Virus' point.

edit: As in, it seems to indicate that Americans give more than America.

Private donations would plummet if government foreign aid was ramped up in its place.

Either way- the STIMULUS was meant to bolster AMERICAN JOBS for "SHOVEL READY" projects and infrastructure.

Not spending $800,000 on dick soap for foreign nations.

That means an $800,000 road, telecommunications, or public works project somewhere in my country never happened because we wanted to wash weiners good in Africa

 

[kineaesth]

a new low, I think

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Excuse me for expecting funds to be used for what they were designated for. The Stimulus was explained to the American public to be for shovel ready American infrastructure projects to bolster jobs and lower unemployment.

I don't think so many Congressmen would've passed it if it had stated foreign aid projects were what the cash was for (which it was not- but so much leeway was given to the administration of the funds that it ended up happening.)

If they wanted funding for foreign aid projects- they can make a foreign aid bill and pass it.

 

[Yuri]

This thread ****ing sucks

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Private donations would plummet if government foreign aid was ramped up in its place.

Either way- the STIMULUS was meant to bolster AMERICAN JOBS for "SHOVEL READY" projects and infrastructure.

Not spending $800,000 on dick soap for foreign nations.

That means an $800,000 road, telecommunications, or public works project somewhere in my country never happened because we wanted to wash weiners good in Africa

Listen friend, I don't quite think the full $800,000 would've been used solely for infrastructure projects in the first place. There is a substantial amount of waste in government spending- so you can look at the bright side and think of it as at least helping people? I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Listen friend, I don't quite think the full $800,000 would've been used solely for infrastructure projects in the first place. There is a substantial amount of waste in government spending- so you can look at the bright side and think of it as at least helping people? I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

I thought we weren't going to quote each other :|

 

[jondy]

God, yeah, this thread really does ****ing suck.