A pregnant 13-year-old girl

[iyfyoufhl]

A pregnant 13-year-old girl in Florida has been told she cannot have an abortion because she lacks the maturity to make such a decision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4500245.stm

I think she lacks the maturity to be a mother eather.

 

[ModerateCentrist]

Immaturity does not give one the right to murder other children and babies.

 

[CptStern]

Immaturity does not give one the right to murder other children and babies.

what name do you go by at the ************** forums? is this part of the PWIC?

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Immaturity does not give one the right to murder other children and babies.

oh, i feel, your comment is going to spark a healthy debat

 

[Direwolf]

How moderate.
And while I'm left to wonder who should make the decision (a parent perhaps?), you have to acknowledge that the child herself doesn't have to raise the kid.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

How moderate.
And while I'm left to wonder who should make the decision (a parent perhaps?),.

who's parent? the little mother's or the little mother herself?

 

[Razor]

what name do you go by at the ************** forums? is this part of the PWIC?

They're coming to get you Stern .

Anyway, her having the abortion blocked is disgusting, but she only has herself to blame, she knew the dangers of having unprotected sex, she didn't take the necessary procautions, she ended up pregnant, and now wants an abortion.

 

[Direwolf]

Yeah, theres probably about a dozen moral issues at work here. She shouldn't be pregnant, she should know the consequences, at least one of her parents should be in the picture, and she should be able to make the decision. But who knows which of those are actually true?

Edit: OK, read the article and have a few more facts.
One, she's a foster kid herself. So that answers why parental consent isn't an issue (although you don't technically need it in FL).
Two, it's been blocked for the moment pending a psychological evaluation. They seem to just want to stop her until they're sure she's competent for the decision (she's 13 after all).
They haven't actually forbidden it or anything.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

ok, i think this became real clear
why do we have all these personal cases blow up, for example MJ trial, Terry Shivo case, now this teenage

what is happening is that Bush or White House is trying to turn people's attantion from the Iraq conflic and blind the people but stupid cases like ones mentioned above

i think this is the real deal behind all this

 

[CptStern]

They're coming to get you Stern .
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actually they're coming here to spam our forums with right-wing fanaticism

 

[Direwolf]

Ok, thats about as paranoid as you can get.
The first strike against that little theory is that this is a BBC article. The second is case doesn't seem to have gotten too much coverage yet. And the third is that it's these things are popular because they interest people and capture their imagination (MJ is a perfect example).

 

[Kangy]

She should be allowed to have the abortion.

A) It's her choice
B) That baby will screw up her life
C) It's not safe for her to have a child that young

 

[CptStern]

she cant possibly cope with raising a child, she's one herself

 

[clarky003]

was this Quagmire's baby...

'dear diary, jackpot..'

 

[kmack]

She should be allowed to have the abortion.

A) It's her choice
B) That baby will screw up her life
C) It's not safe for her to have a child that young

exactly.

unfortunalty tell that to nosy ass christians with nothing better to do, and half the government who relies on those christians. this is gonna be a fight.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Ok, thats about as paranoid as you can get.

i would argue that

The first strike against that little theory is that this is a BBC article. The second is case doesn't seem to have gotten too much coverage yet.

we just have to wait and see if it will blow up, i think it will and make it big

And the third is that it's these things are popular because they interest people and capture their imagination (MJ is a perfect example).

no the media is just taking advantage of a simple human curiasity in other people's personal life, which i think is discusting

 

[Razor]

exactly.

unfortunalty tell that to nosy ass christians with nothing better to do, and half the government who relies on those christians. this is gonna be a fight.

The problem isn't the nosy ass Christians, it is the slutty 13 year olds having unprotected sex.

 

[kmack]

She should be allowed to murder her baby. Human life is worthless. Especially innocent human life. Innocent babies are worth less than zero.

innocent babies? lol you mean a lifeless cluster of cells? sorry chump, life doesnt begin at conception. nice name too, though i think "rightwingbiblehuggingconservativeassclown" would be a better fit.

Genocide is awesome.

go look up genocide in the dictionary.

The problem isn't the nosy ass Christians, it is the slutty 13 year olds having unprotected sex.

actually, its nosy ass christians who force people to do things to their bodies that they dont want to do. life doesnt start at conception despite what fantasy land living christians believe.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

The problem isn't the nosy ass Christians, it is the slutty 13 year olds having unprotected sex.

christians didn't even do anything, it's a state of Florida

ps
remeber who is the governer there

 

[iyfyoufhl]

innocent babies? lol you mean a lifeless cluster of cells? sorry chump, life doesnt begin at conception. nice name too, though i think "rightwingbiblehuggingconservativeassclown" would be a better fit.

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"life doesn't begin at conseption" who are you to deside that? admit that you don't know when the acual life begins

avoid labels, they hurt people

 

[CptStern]

guys dont feed the troll, he's just here to stir up crap

 

[iyfyoufhl]

guys dont feed the troll, he's just here to stir up crap

who are you talking about?

 

[kmack]

"life doesn't begin at conseption" who are you to deside that? admit that you don't know when the acual life begins

The United States Supreme Court takes the position that human life begins much later, when the fetus becomes capable of independent life if separated from the mother—roughly the third trimester.

that is law. sorry, but the us supreme court says life begins then, it holds higher merit than when anyone else says it does.

 

[Razor]

innocent babies? lol you mean a lifeless cluster of cells? sorry chump, life doesnt begin at conception. nice name too, though i think "rightwingbiblehuggingconservativeassclown" would be a better fit.




go look up genocide in the dictionary.



actually, its nosy ass christians who force people to do things to their bodies that they dont want to do. life doesnt start at conception despite what fantasy land living christians believe.

No, it's the slutty 13 year olds. If there were Christian's going out raping 13 year girls and impregnating them and forcing them to carry the baby to labour, then fine, but this is just slutty teenagers getting pregnant and then the Christian movement forcing them to live with their mistake. If she does carry the baby to term and doesn't want it, she will give the baby up for adoption.

 

[Direwolf]

I have to reiterate: This isn't a fight. At least not yet.

They decided she needs to be checked out and evaluated before they're sure she can make the decision. It's not actually against the law in FL, so the court doesn't have a leg to stand on if it wanted to stop her.

 

[kmack]

If she does carry the baby to term and doesn't want it, she will give the baby up for adoption.

ugh the old "make her have the baby, then **** em" approach. foster care isnt peaches and cream ya know? its not a perfect system, and should be just another option to abortion.

I have to reiterate: This isn't a fight. At least not yet.

They decided she needs to be checked out and evaluated before they're sure she can make the decision. It's not actually against the law in FL, so the court doesn't have a leg to stand on if it wanted to stop her.

they (conservatives/christians) want to stall the process soo much that by the time its settled (and decided correctly in accordance to the US supreme court) it will be too late to have the abortion.

 

[Kangy]

No, it's the slutty 13 year olds. If there were Christian's going out raping 13 year girls and impregnating them and forcing them to carry the baby to labour, then fine, but this is just slutty teenagers getting pregnant and then the Christian movement forcing them to live with their mistake. If she does carry the baby to term and doesn't want it, she will give the baby up for adoption.

And what, live with people being cruel to her and about a years less education than everyone else?

Sounds really good for her.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

see, what really strikes me is that United States call themselves Land of Freedom and all that other freedom crap

but i don't think there isn't much freedom, when the gov. tells people what to do with their bodies

i hope you guys can see what i mean

 

[kmack]

And what, live with people being cruel to her and about a years less education than everyone else?

Sounds really good for her.

the problem is , they dont care at all about her or the baby. they care about the underlying principles, they just USE her as a stage to wage a protest. the christians/conservatives/prolifers exploit her more than anyone else, just like with terry schiavo, its a shameless display of self centeredness.

see, what really strikes me is that United States call themselves Land of Freedom and all that other freedom crap

but i don't think there isn't much freedom, when the gov. tells people what to do with their bodies

i hope you guys can see what i mean

it really is a hypocrisy.

 

[Direwolf]

they (conservatives/christians) want to stall the process soo much that by the time its settled (and decided correctly in accordance to the US supreme court) it will be too late to have the abortion.

Christianity doesn't enter into this. The Florida Department of Children and Families brought it to court. They were concerned, which is their job.

And when an infant is put up for adoption it's fate is usually to go to a pair of foster parents who want a kid but cannot have one of their own for one reason or another. They're not stuck in a foster home like older kids. Theres actually a massive demand for infants.

 

[Foxtrot]

How will it screw up her life? All she needs to do is give it away. White children are a rare comodity on the adoption market.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

the problem is , they dont care at all about her or the baby. they care about the underlying principles, they just USE her as a stage to wage a protest. the christians/conservatives/prolifers exploit her more than anyone else, just like with terry schiavo, its a shameless display of self centeredness.
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great point, i agry 100%

 

[kmack]

How will it screw up her life? All she needs to do is give it away.

a 13 year olds body is not adapted to giving birth. it is dangerous for both baby and mother. your knowledge of biology must be pretty rudimentery.

White children are a rare comodity on the adoption market.

why does that have any relevance?

 

[CptStern]

All she needs to do is give it away. White children are a rare comodity on the adoption market.

:upstare: ...so you've had a child of your own so you must know how easy it is to give them away, right? ...first person who gives me a pack of chewing gum gets my son! my unborn son/daughter for a gummie bear! any takers?

 

[Direwolf]

It has relevance because if the child is born (or taken through C-section etc), then it's not necessarily her responsibility to raise it, and the child will go to a good home.

 

[Foxtrot]

:upstare: ...so you've had a child of your own so you must know how easy it is to give them away, right? ...first person who gives me a pack of chewing gum gets my son! my unborn son/daughter for a gummie bear! any takers?

You are right, it would be much easier to crack its skull open and suck its brains out. I like the liberal way of thinking, taking the easy way out.

 

[kmack]

You are right, it would be much easier to crack its skull open and suck its brains out. I like the liberal way of thinking, taking the easy way out.

you are a clown, its a freakin cluster of cells.

and like i said (and you ignored because it owns you) a 13 year old is not suited for giving birth, it is dangerous to mother and baby, you obciously need to brush up on biology (if you even belive in it )

 

[Razor]

ugh the old "make her have the baby, then **** em" approach. foster care isnt peaches and cream ya know? its not a perfect system, and should be just another option to abortion.



they (conservatives/christians) want to stall the process soo much that by the time its settled (and decided correctly in accordance to the US supreme court) it will be too late to have the abortion.

Foster care and adoption is two completely different things. Adoption is something that allows babies with parents who don't want them, for whatever reason, to be given to a loving family who, for whatever reason, can't have children of their own. If she does carry the baby to term and doesn't want it, she should seriously consider giving the baby up to adoption so that the baby can grow up with a loving family and have a wonderful life.

If she is on drugs, getting high everynight on Speed, Extacy, lcd, Cocaine, etc, and alcoholic and has mental problems or bringing the baby to term would endanger her life and/or the baby's life, then yes, an abortion should be allowed.

But i am just someone who thinks people should have to live with their mistakes, you make the wrong decision, you have to live through that mistake and learn from that mistake so that you don't make it again. Do you really think the little girl is going to change her ways right after having an abortion?

 

[Razor]

you are a clown, its a freakin cluster of cells.

and like i said (and you ignored because it owns you) a 13 year old is not suited for giving birth, it is dangerous to mother and baby, you obciously need to brush up on biology (if you even belive in it )

It can be dangerous for a 13 year old to give birth, but it isn't something that is extremely dangerous or anything, 13 year olds are just as able to give birth as 23 year olds. However, if it is going to be dangerous for her to carry the baby to term, on either her or the baby, then yes, an abortion should be granted sooner rather than later.

 

[kmack]

It can be dangerous for a 13 year old to give birth, but it isn't something that is extremely dangerous or anything, 13 year olds are just as able to give birth as 23 year olds. However, if it is going to be dangerous for her to carry the baby to term, on either her or the baby, then yes, an abortion should be granted sooner rather than later.

let me get some proof behind the idea that a 13 year old can give birth with the same amount of danger as a 23 year old.