A pregnant 13-year-old girl

[CptStern]

If she is 3 months pregnant it is more than what you are making it out to be.

it's 4 freakin centimeters! ..I know cuz that's how big my child currently is

 

[Foxtrot]

it's 4 freakin centimeters! ..I know cuz that's how big my child currently is

Oh, so it is OK to kill somthing when it is only 4 centimeters?

 

[Direwolf]

/me will be astonished if this thread leads to the final conclusion to the argument over whether a fetus is alive or not.

 

[Maxi]

Explain please.

Since she hasn't got any parents to support her she wouldn't have any or very little support.

She's thirteen, she still has to go to school, if she has a child her education would suffer greatly, and when she gets older she couldn't go to college since she'd have to take care of her baby, so she wouldn't get a decent job, and if she doesn't marry some guy who makes enough money to support a family her baby wouldn't be able to go to college and the cycle continues. This is what happends when you have no social security net.

 

[KoreBolteR]

it's 4 freakin centimeters! ..I know cuz that's how big my child currently is

you have a 2nd child on the way?

congratulations my friend :cheers:

 

[Direwolf]

Since she hasn't got any parents to support her she wouldn't have any or very little support.

She's thirteen, she still has to go to school, if she has a child her education would suffer greatly, and when she gets older she couldn't go to college since she'd have to take care of her baby, so she wouldn't get a decent job, and if she doesn't marry some guy who makes enough money to support a family her baby wouldn't be able to go to college and the cycle continues. This is what happends when you have no social security net.

This isn't really part of the equation since it stands to reason she'd put it up for adoption. She obviously realizes this and doesn't want the child.

 

[Foxtrot]

Since she hasn't got any parents to support her she wouldn't have any or very little support.

She's thirteen, she still has to go to school, if she has a child her education would suffer greatly, and when she gets older she couldn't go to college since she'd have to take care of her baby, so she wouldn't get a decent job, and if she doesn't marry some guy who makes enough money to support a family her baby wouldn't be able to go to college and the cycle continues. This is what happends when you have no social security net.

She could always put it up for adoption, all she has to do is drop it off at a place that takes them. Seriously, there are places set up like that. Or should could just put it in a garbage bag (preferably two or three) and then whack it against the ground and dispose of it.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Since she hasn't got any parents to support her she wouldn't have any or very little support.

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do you really think anyone would alow her to keep that child, no way in hell, child care servises will take it away at the birth

Seriously, there are places set up like that. Or should could just put it in a garbage bag (preferably two or three) and then whack it against the ground and dispose of it.

i've heard of a true story, when a mother flushed her baby down the toilet

 

[CptStern]

she has a legal guardian ..all orphaned children do till the age of 16

 

[CptStern]

you have a 2nd child on the way?

congratulations my friend :cheers:

yes thanks, I'll name her/him Kore

 

[Steve]

She could always put it up for adoption, all she has to do is drop it off at a place that takes them. Seriously, there are places set up like that. Or should could just put it in a garbage bag (preferably two or three) and then whack it against the ground and dispose of it.

Gaaaaa! You are a bad, bad man!

But anyway, yeah. Florida. "Safe Haven" law or whatever it's called. You can drop off a newborn baby at a fire or police station within 3 days of the birth now questions asked.

 

[Absinthe]

Oh, so it is OK to kill somthing when it is only 4 centimeters?

You eat organics that are much larger and far more sentient.

 

[Direwolf]

Is this Get-Awful-Images-Stuck-In-Direwolf's-Head Day or what?

 

[CptStern]

Oh, so it is OK to kill somthing when it is only 4 centimeters?

what does size have to do with it ..prove intelligence or something but that point is moot because it tells us nothing. It's an attempt to play on our sympathies

at this point the baby for all intents and purposes is a parasite (in the sense that it is alive only because of it's mother)

 

[BenjaminH0gie]

The simple fact of life is that no one has the right to murder growing children. Anyone who pities a 13 year old who's voluntarily having sex should probably think about it for a while.

 

[Steve]

The simple fact of life is that no one has the right to murder growing children. Anyone who pities a 13 year old who's voluntarily having sex should probably think about it for a while.

I think a young person who's made a mistake and is paying for it hard is more than deserving of a little pity.

 

[BenjaminH0gie]

We still must pay for our mistakes, and i don't pity people who did anything on their own account. I feel bad for her...maybe a little bit, but then she says she wants to abort the baby, and I lose any respect whatsoever.

 

[IonizeMyAtoms]

Atheists have no moral authority upon which to opine in these matters. This is not my opinion only. It is simply a statement of fact.

I just clicked into this thread and this was the first post I saw. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It most certainly not a matter of fact that atheists have no morality.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

I think a young person who's made a mistake and is paying for it hard is more than deserving of a little pity.

young person, foster child defenetly deservs pity, if you don't feel any, you are a heartless moran

 

[Absinthe]

young person, foster child defenetly deservs pity, if you don't feel any, you are a heartless moran

Merry Christmas

 

[Absinthe]

The simple fact of life is that no one has the right to murder growing children. Anyone who pities a 13 year old who's voluntarily having sex should probably think about it for a while.

The jury's still out on wether or not it's murder, so let's not get ahead of ourselves, shall we?

 

[BenjaminH0gie]

1. Please spell correctly, or I really won't feel inclined to answer you.
2. Don't tell me I'm heartless because I don't feel sorry for a girl trying to kill her growing baby because she doesn't want to deal with it.
3. Pity is in the eye of the beholder, but morality for most people dictates that pity should not be given to the sinners, for they must pay dearly for actions done.

 

[Direwolf]

Well lets be honest here. We don't really know the girl. For all we really know she got pregnant on purpose to piss off her foster parents. That would certainly erode any sympathy I have.
Keep in mind we're just arguing abstractly since we can't know all the facts.

 

[BenjaminH0gie]

The jury's still out on whether or not it's murder, so let's not get ahead of ourselves, shall we?

Let's see. To keep the fetus from growing, the doctor has to remove it';s now functioning brain, and then pull the baby out of it's natural habitat, and leave it out, for a selected amount of time. This is all planned out, and executed without the baby's will. The baby feels pain, and it's mind literally has to be SHUT OFF. How is this not murder again?

 

[Absinthe]

The baby feels pain

Bull. Ciao.

Keep in mind I'm referring to something that's 4 cm big.

 

[Direwolf]

Because we don't know if any of that is true. We can't say for certain that the baby is conscious, that it feels pain, or that it should even be considered a human life. Lets face it, most of the things we eat have more mental power than a fetus.
While that doesn't mean that killing a fetus is justifiable, it does mean that theres room for argument.

 

[GiaOmerta]

13 years old?!

*yomits*

 

[iyfyoufhl]

1. Please spell correctly, or I really won't feel inclined to answer you.
2. Don't tell me I'm heartless because I don't feel sorry for a girl trying to kill her growing baby because she doesn't want to deal with it.
3. Pity is in the eye of the beholder, but morality for most people dictates that pity should not be given to the sinners, for they must pay dearly for actions done.

hahah, you brough up spelling, just like from the guide to flaming (some will get this)

2. she is 13 years old, at this age the brain isn't complitly rational, some guy took advantage of this and f*cked her, it's so easy for a girl to slip up

3. "pity should not be given to the sinners" well, i hope you are not Christian, 'cause that goes agains one of the major Christian prinsiples

 

[Absinthe]

Because we don't know if any of that is true. We can't say for certain that the baby is conscious, that it feels pain, or that it should even be considered a human life. Lets face it, most of the things we eat have more mental power than a fetus.
While that doesn't mean that killing a fetus is justifiable, it does mean that theres room for argument.

Exactly.

The most effective (and I'm being generous here) argument against abortion has been the graphic depiction of how an abortion works. Unfortunately, it amounts to nothing more than an appeal to emotion; a very weak argument. If people want to argue on those terms, then I guess I should try convincing you that spinach is disgusting and poisonous. After all, it looks like a bowl of green and chunky snot.

 

[Absinthe]

2. she is 13 years old, at this age the brain isn't complitly rational, some guy took advantage of this and f*cked her, it's so easy for a girl to slip up

A good point that I'm seeing many pro-life people overlook. We're talking about an immature mind without fully developed psychosexuality. Do you know how easy it is to take advantage of girls at that kind of age? Do you know the kind of confusion that a person can experience?

I agree with iyfyoufhl. If you don't have sympathy for her, then I think you are pretty heartless. Do you also support the death penalty for those that are clinically unaware of their actions?

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Do you also support the death penalty for those that are clinically unaware of their actions?

good example,

man it's hard to read your post, the aviator is way too freaky

 

[Absinthe]

I think you've misunderstood me somewhere. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or both.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Put your self in her situation
You are a 13 year old girl, no one to look up to or take care of, no one to ask advice from, you are caring a child, you are confused, the people that never knew you, tell you what to do with your body

if i was her, i'd be freaking out, wouldn't you?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

She should give the child up for adoption.

 

[CptStern]

"she should" ...


it's not our choice to make

 

[T.H.C.138]

She should give the child up for adoption.

my personal choice!!

give the baby to someone who is already established in life who for whatever reasons are unable to have children..

they have "Open Adoption Centers" where you get to pick the parents and meet with them as many times as you feel necessary..and as many different people as you feel like

a baby shouldn't be raising a baby..bad for the mom and for the child..

she is too young to work for a living..3 years to go for that,same for a drivers license..

I knew 2 sisters,one was 18 when she had her first of 2 kids and the other was 15(!!!) when she had her first..neither one of these girls can handle it!!

some people are just unfit to be parents...

some want to party too much..to some the kids a "toy" to show off and then set aside like a cute kitten thats grown up..and isn't so cute anymore..

just some things I have seen and thought about that are similar to this situation(sort of!)

:cheers:

 

[operative x]

a 13 year old is not suited for giving birth, it is dangerous to mother and baby,

Well she was certainly suited enough to get porked. Instead of taking the easy way out, she should give it up to adoption. Young girl doens't have to worry about a baby + loving family gets a baby + baby lives =win win situation for everybody. But of course you would rather crack it's skull.

 

[Adabiviak]

Dude, it's Florida - look at their track record with Schaivo. You think that state is going to make rational decisions?

 

[gh0st]

WTF my penis is 4 centimeters, ITS STILL A PENIS. JUST A VERY SMALL ONE.

Quit trying to let this slut get away with this. Its her decision she made let her live with the consequences of her promiscuity.

 

[superjuanchango]

Shes a trooper! Learning early, gotta love it.