A pregnant 13-year-old girl

CptStern said:
she cant possibly cope with raising a child, she's one herself
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true but why does another life have to end just becus shes a dumb slut?
 
gh0st said:
WTF my penis is 4 centimeters, ITS STILL A PENIS. JUST A VERY SMALL ONE.

Quit trying to let this slut get away with this. Its her decision she made let her live with the consequences of her promiscuity.
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What if she were your daughter?
 
T.H.C.138 said:
my personal choice!!

give the baby to someone who is already established in life who for whatever reasons are unable to have children..
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I think you are overlooking the fact that the simple act of pregnancy itself carries with it inherent health risks for the mother and child. It is not a simple matter of saying "Oh well, carry the baby to term, give birth and then give it up for adoption."

Why should she be forced to undertake this huge risk (which is exponentially higher in her case due to her age) when she is not even legally responsible for her own actions?


Gh0st said:
Quit trying to let this slut get away with this. Its her decision she made let her live with the consequences of her promiscuity.
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If it is ruled that it was her fault and she was just a dirty slut, then this sets the precedent that children at that age and maybe younger are responsible for their actions. Do you know what this means?

Lowering the drinking age to 12
Lowering the smoking age to 12
Lowering the age of sexual consent to 12
Allowing the death penalty for 12 year olds
Sending 12 year olds to adult jail/maximum security prison

Hey, it was their fault right? They were stupid enough to make that decision and now they've gotta live with it - no matter their age.
 
Adabiviak said:
Dude, it's Florida - look at their track record with Schaivo. You think that state is going to make rational decisions?
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The decision with Schiavo was entirely rational. Thanks.

And Pogrom, I was about to say the same thing. Apparently, some people don't quite understand the kind of mentality that exists in a 13 year old girl.
 
Lemonking said:
true but why does another life have to end just becus shes a dumb slut?
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thanks for your thought provoking comment ...glad to know you put so much forethought into it
 
Pogrom said:
I think you are overlooking the fact that the simple act of pregnancy itself carries with it inherent health risks for the mother and child. It is not a simple matter of saying "Oh well, carry the baby to term, give birth and then give it up for adoption."

Why should she be forced to undertake this huge risk (which is exponentially higher in her case due to her age) when she is not even legally responsible for her own actions?




If it is ruled that it was her fault and she was just a dirty slut, then this sets the precedent that children at that age and maybe younger are responsible for their actions. Do you know what this means?

Lowering the drinking age to 12
Lowering the smoking age to 12
Lowering the age of sexual consent to 12
Allowing the death penalty for 12 year olds
Sending 12 year olds to adult jail/maximum security prison

Hey, it was their fault right? They were stupid enough to make that decision and now they've gotta live with it - no matter their age.
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Holy slippery slope Batman! Just because one slutty bitch has to deal with the consequences of her actions in one case, all must in all cases? So sexual consent, smoking, and drinking are all on par with aborting a fetus? I can make a slippey slope too! Go ahead, America, Protect thme until they are 18 then throw them out the door. I am personally for letting this lil sport an abortion, but to be as blind and senseless as to throw fourth that post makes me wonder why some other parents didn't do the same. :thumbs:
 
are you advocating that pogrom's parents should have aborted him? ...not very sporting of you ..not too mention just a little over the top
 
Gunner said:
What if she were your daughter?
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She wouldnt be. Hopefully I could teach my daughter to respect her body and life unlike these hackneyed liberals who think we should do every little thing that feels good and never have to deal with consequences.
 
gh0st said:
She wouldnt be. Hopefully I could teach my daughter to respect her body and life unlike these hackneyed liberals who think we should do every little thing that feels good and never have to deal with consequences.
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spoken like someone who's never raised kids ...you think it's easy getting a teenager to listen to their parents? try it sometime ..try juggling career, mortgage, overwhelming bills, raising kids etc ...you CANT watch them 24 hours a day ..even good kids make bad choices ...but since your an expert on child development you should already know that
 
gh0st said:
She wouldnt be. Hopefully I could teach my daughter to respect her body and life unlike these hackneyed liberals who think we should do every little thing that feels good and never have to deal with consequences.
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That's not the point is it now? shit like this happens to someone else it's "****'em they had it coming" but when it happens to you it's an entirely different story, that's the point.
 
KoreBolteR said:
especially if thier son or daughter is named Kore, stern ;)

:cheers:
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you wrote the book on "good kids who make bad choices" ;)
 
hey yeah.. you should read it :p
 

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gh0st said:
She wouldnt be. Hopefully I could teach my daughter to respect her body and life unlike these hackneyed liberals who think we should do every little thing that feels good and never have to deal with consequences.
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Wow. That's a misunderstanding of massive proportions, I do believe.

If this had happened to somebody more mature and understanding of their actions/environment, then I could understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't agree with it, but I'd understand it.
 
ghost, drop the labels and stereotypes, they hurt you more than they do them
 
Obviously the people raising her ****ed up big time if she if ****ing guys at 13. My Mom was adopted and turned out mostly OK, although she is a pretty big liberal.
 
foxtrot how nice of you to judge your mother like that. Look if you honestly believe kids are not having sex at 13 then you view of the world is narrow indeed ...just because you're a good little mensch doesnt mean that you cant let your guard down for a second ...oh so I'm assuming you bring a condom with you every single time you go on a date ........or am I jumping the gun here?
 
I'd say thats rather extremely low too, but I know it happens. I have to wonder whether its even as prevelant now as its been in the past though, since I haven't heard of one recently other than this.
 
They should have raised that girl on video games, so she would become fat and nobody would wanna have sex with her, problem solved.
 
CptStern said:
spoken like someone who's never raised kids ...you think it's easy getting a teenager to listen to their parents? try it sometime ..try juggling career, mortgage, overwhelming bills, raising kids etc ...you CANT watch them 24 hours a day ..even good kids make bad choices ...but since your an expert on child development you should already know that
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You dont have to watch your kids 24 hours a day. You're probably throwing johnny hats at them from the moment they squirt forth into this world, dont pretend it makes you a better parent. I am a teenager. Most of my friends are teenagers. We all get along with our parents... why? We werent raised on this bullshit theory that its ok to rebel and go of ****ing people when we're little. I'll admit that I've done my share of premarital sex, and had my (now ex) girlfriend become pregnant, I would NOT be the one ordering an abortion. And I know, there have been some scary situations. But you enter into these types of relationships with the knowledge that shit goes wrong. Taking the easiest, most liberally-enforced path is not right.
 
Meh, I don't deny that she's a stupid kid, but I can understand why an abortion is being considered. Psychological/biological dangers aside, you'd just end up with another dumb foster kid who'll probably end up making a similarily bad decision in later life- unless they end up being better monitored and raised by far superior foster parents.

Of course it's possible there's an ignorance gene or something and her biological makeup is to blame (I'm pretty sure I've got a repressed one somewhere), but somehow I doubt it.
 
ok this is the full story

she was in a floridia orphanage, and ran away. after missing for 4 weeks, she came back pregnant. new judge has ruled she can have abortion. discussion ended
 
iyfyoufhl said:
A pregnant 13-year-old girl in Florida has been told she cannot have an abortion because she lacks the maturity to make such a decision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4500245.stm

I think she lacks the maturity to be a mother eather.
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Quoted because that's absof---inglutely true.

Edit: Obviously I didn't take the time to read the whole thread...It's good news that the decision was reversed and she can have the procedure done.
 
superjuanchango said:
Holy slippery slope Batman! Just because one slutty bitch has to deal with the consequences of her actions in one case, all must in all cases? So sexual consent, smoking, and drinking are all on par with aborting a fetus? I can make a slippey slope too! Go ahead, America, Protect thme until they are 18 then throw them out the door. I am personally for letting this lil sport an abortion, but to be as blind and senseless as to throw fourth that post makes me wonder why some other parents didn't do the same. :thumbs:
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Hey superjuanchango,

prec·e·dent (noun)

1) 1. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances. 2. Law. A judicial decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent similar cases: a landmark decision that set a legal precedent.
2) Convention or custom arising from long practice: The President followed historical precedent in forming the Cabinet.

No slippery slope at all - but here's what we are looking at here. You are saying that only one "slutty bitch" will have to face the consequences of her actions.

I say that if you set this precedent that a 13 year old girl is legally and morally responsible for her actions, then you cannot say differently for any other 13 year old - NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. Unless you particularly enjoy the Hypocrite label :thumbs:

I'm not trying to be a hysterical doomsayer - merely saying how the legal system appears to work. Generally, when a precedent is set, it is used as a model for other similar cases.

To reiterate:

Proposition 1: If you argue in this case that the 13 year old girl should suffer the consequences of her actions, then you are also saying this 13 year old girl is legally responsible for her actions.

Proposition 2: If this 13 year old girl is legally responsible for her actions, then so are all other 13 year olds. No ifs, ands, or buts.
 
13?
I was more mature than most 25year olds when I was 10. But from the looks of the rest of the world, I'm the exception.

I hate how they classify maturity with age... Absurd.
 
sometimes it seems as if maturity fades with age...

I have seen many adults whine and generally act worse than their kids do..its a sad world
 
i noticed that too, i make fun of adults and will continue doing so untill the day i die
 
Razor said:
she knew the dangers of having unprotected sex, she didn't take the necessary procautions, she ended up pregnant, and now wants an abortion.
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Or did she? they might of not taught that kind of thing at her school.
 
If she was dumb enough to have unprotected sex then I don't think the decision should be left up to her because she is obviously not capable of making such a decision. I hope it is left up to a sensible gaurdian ( Most likely not her parents who were capable of spawning such a dumb child). I also hope the sensible gaurdian chooses to abort, so that she doesn't have a dumb child who would most likely follow in its genious mothers footsteps and have a child at the age of 13.
 
why do some of you assume she's a slut? ...it could have been her first time for all you know. Oh and most people arent 100% responsible, 100% of the time, accidents happen ...probably why 17% of all women who have abortions are married
 
Sainku said:
If she was dumb enough to have unprotected sex then I don't think the decision should be left up to her because she is obviously not capable of making such a decision. I hope it is left up to a sensible gaurdian ( Most likely not her parents who were capable of spawning such a dumb child). I also hope the sensible gaurdian chooses to abort, so that she doesn't have a dumb child who would most likely follow in its genious mothers footsteps and have a child at the age of 13.
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I detect a lot of unnecessary hatred in that post.
 
Did you know that 50% of the pregnancies are unwanted? Do you want half of the pregnant women to suffer that much?
 
A slut has to be someone that knows what they are doing. This girl would likely have not allowed herself to get pregnant if she knew what she was doing.

Yes lets force her to have a baby and risk a lot of physical damage, and a lot of permanent psychological damage as well as bring a baby into the world who likely will not live a good life all so that you can punish her for supposedly being a "slut".
 
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