A pregnant 13-year-old girl

[PickledGecko]

To all those who say she should be forced to have the baby as a punishment, etc…

Out of curiosity, if a 13 year old boy had sex with, say a teacher, and she got pregnant, would you all force him to quit school, get a job, marry his teacher and become a father at 13? Or would you want to see his teacher prosecuted for statuary rape?

 

[The Monkey]

As opposite as to many of you think, giving birth is not a very pleasant thing. Who in their right mind would let a 13 year old go through that? And don't give that shit that she deseves it, would you think the same if it was your daughter?

 

[Absinthe]

No it doesnt.. if she didnt wanna baby.. she shouldntve taken the necessary steps in making one. If she gets pregnant, she will have that baby.. no if's, and's, or but's about it.

She is 13 years old. Do you have any idea what stage of mental development that is? Do you think she walked around and though "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed without protection!"? If you honestly think this, then I think you're supremely ignorant.

And you have not refuted anything in that quote you replied to.

 

[KoreBolteR]

bottom line keep abortion.

 

[15357]

She is 13 years old. Do you have any idea what stage of mental development that is? Do you think she walked around and though "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed without protection!"? If you honestly think this, then I think you're supremely ignorant.

And you have not refuted anything in that quote you replied to.

unless we are girls/women, we would never know what she thought.

 

[Tr0n]

That 13 year old might end up having a C-section (correct terminology?)...which ain't so pretty or pleasant.

 

[15357]

That 13 year old might end up having a C-section (correct terminology?)...which ain't so pretty or pleasant.

you mean getting her stomach cut open with a knife?

 

[Tr0n]

you mean getting her stomach cut open with a knife?

If I remember...I think thats what they do.

I think the doctors did that to my older brothers ex-wife, because she was to small.

 

[Dag]

She is 13 years old. Do you have any idea what stage of mental development that is? Do you think she walked around and though "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed without protection!"? If you honestly think this, then I think you're supremely ignorant.

And you have not refuted anything in that quote you replied to.

I think she was thinking more along the lines of "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed!" Thats why you wear a condom.

 

[CptStern]

I think she was thinking more along the lines of "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed!" Thats why you wear a condom.

cuz you asked her?

 

[iyfyoufhl]

http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/j41/j41chap2_3.shtml
read that and see that it's an horrible thing to make a little girl give birth

for all you critics out there, don't judge or you will be judged

 

[Absinthe]

I think she was thinking more along the lines of "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed!" Thats why you wear a condom.

No evidence has suggested this.

Again, I ask you to consider the stage of mental development at which this girl is at. I also ask you to consider the kind of psychological and physical damage that she will undoubtedly be caused by giving birth to this child.

With the information that's been given so far, I don't see how anybody can object to abortion. That is unless you view all stages of pregnacy as life, in which case you'd at least be able to harbor some sympathy for the girl.

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

because your perfect right? you've used a condom every single time right? or is that a non-issue?

Here's an Idea.. dont have sex.. never mind a condom.

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

She is 13 years old. Do you have any idea what stage of mental development that is? Do you think she walked around and though "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed without protection!"? If you honestly think this, then I think you're supremely ignorant.

And you have not refuted anything in that quote you replied to.

13 years old or 50 years old.. i dont give a ****.. if you dont want a baby.. dont take the necessary steps in creating one. Like I said.. It's that simple.

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

I think she was thinking more along the lines of "Hey, why don't I go get ****ed!" Thats why you wear a condom.

.. And thats why she shouldnt have an abortion. Abortion is the biggest lack of responsibility. If youre bent on having sex with someone, you better be prepared for what it entails.. there is no excuse.

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

I ask you to consider the stage of mental development at which this girl is at. I also ask you to consider the kind of psychological and physical damage that she will undoubtedly be caused by giving birth to this child.

Well if she was so worried about her physical and psychological damage of having a baby.. she shoulda thought about that before she slept with someone.

 

[Dag]

.. And thats why she shouldnt have an abortion. Abortion is the biggest lack of responsibility. If youre bent on having sex with someone, you better be prepared for what it entails.. there is no excuse.

What if a girl gets raped though? Does she now have to live with a baby that she might not be able to support, just because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? I think abortion should be available, but only to those people, not the ones who come in going "But I just didn't want him to stop yet!"

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

What if a girl gets raped though? Does she now have to live with a baby that she might not be able to support, just because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? I think abortion should be available, but only to those people, not the ones who come in going "But I just didn't want him to stop yet!"

See in the case of rape.. thats a hard one.. however, I lean more towards the victims choice, simply because they did not consent to the act. BUT, the percentage of rape victims getting pregnant are extremely small.

 

[bliink]

C-O-N-Spiracy, learn to quote people more effectively.
I see 4 posts by you sequentially on this page.

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

C-O-N-Spiracy, learn to quote people more effectively.
I see 4 posts by you sequentially on this page.

Sorry I go down the thread and quote and respond as I see them.

 

[bliink]

Sorry I go down the thread and quote and respond as I see them.

And that's exactly the problem..
Accumulate quotes and put them into one post.

 

[Absinthe]

13 years old or 50 years old.. i dont give a ****.. if you dont want a baby.. dont take the necessary steps in creating one. Like I said.. It's that simple.

You show a severe lack of understanding of this situation. Your principle-over-point rationale reduces everything to simple and unrealistic terms. You lack compassion, and for that I view you as disgusting and uncompromising.

Well if she was so worried about her physical and psychological damage of having a baby.. she shoulda thought about that before she slept with someone.

13.

Years.

Old.

If you can't hammer this one freakin' fact into your skull, then you're hopeless. Being at a certain stage of mental development is not intrinsically tied to the awareness of said stage. But aside from that, I find it very disconcerting that you seemingly don't give a shit about how this will affect the girl.
I could understand your reasoning (although not necessarily agree with it) if she was an educated and developed adult. But she isn't.

Conspiracy, do you even know why statutory rape is illegal?

 

[15357]

reminds me of Ethics class....

(far)Right VS (far)Left....

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

You show a severe lack of understanding of this situation. Your principle-over-point rationale reduces everything to simple and unrealistic terms. You lack compassion, and for that I view you as disgusting and uncompromising.

Good.

13.

Years.

Old.

If you can't hammer this one freakin' fact into your skull, then you're hopeless. Being at a certain stage of mental development is not intrinsically tied to the awareness of said stage. But aside from that, I find it very disconcerting that you seemingly don't give a shit about how this will affect the girl.
I could understand your reasoning (although not necessarily agree with it) if she was an educated and developed adult. But she isn't.

Conspiracy, do you even know why statutory rape is illegal?

If she is mentally developed enough to have sex, she's mentally developed enough to have a baby.. there's no way around it. When people make mistakes, they are expected to live up to them.. 13 or not. And if she really doesnt want to take care of the baby, she can give it up for adoption.. cuz if she cant, or wont take care of the baby, Im sure there is someone else out there who will.. having an abortion is the biggest cop-out and It's extremely irresponsible. If you dont like the fact that that's the way things should be.. then... tough.

 

[CptStern]

why cuz some prepubescent member on some online forum says so? alrighty then I'm sure glad we cleared that up :upstare:

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

why cuz some prepubescent member on some online forum says so? alrighty then I'm sure glad we cleared that up :upstare:

Stay on topic.

 

[CptStern]

that is on topic ...answer the question

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

that is on topic ...answer the question

No, it's not on topic.. you did not respond to my post accordingly, therefore you have dodged the issue..

 

[CptStern]

so in other words because Ididnt respond the way you wanted me to then it's off-topic ...ya .. can see how that makes a lot of sense <insert roll eyes thingy here>

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

so in other words because Ididnt respond the way you wanted me to then it's off-topic ...ya .. can see how that makes a lot of sense <insert roll eyes thingy here>

It makes perfect sense.. you did not shoot down my response or add anything of your own to the conversation.. you just flap the jaw because its not what you want to hear.

 

[Absinthe]

If she is mentally developed enough to have sex, she's mentally developed enough to have a baby.. there's no way around it. When people make mistakes, they are expected to live up to them.. 13 or not. And if she really doesnt want to take care of the baby, she can give it up for adoption.. cuz if she cant, or wont take care of the baby, Im sure there is someone else out there who will.. having an abortion is the biggest cop-out and It's extremely irresponsible. If you dont like the fact that that's the way things should be.. then... tough.

What a load of shit. "If she's mentally developed enough to have sex"? Even ten year olds have the capacity to have sex, but that doesn't make it any better. There is such a thing called sexual abuse (I'm sure you've heard about it).

I'm not arguing the moral status of what's growing inside her, so my argument has never included adoption. Why? Because regardless of wether or not she keeps the child, she is still going to be seriously affected by the event, possibly traumatized. This is not the equivalent of having to clean up spilled milk, no matter how much you may paint it to be so.

And wether or not an abortion itself is a cop-out is for another topic entirely. But I'll tell you right now that "tough" is hardly a good argument.

 

[C-O-N-Spiracy]

What a load of shit. "If she's mentally developed enough to have sex"? Even ten year olds have the capacity to have sex, but that doesn't make it any better. There is such a thing called sexual abuse (I'm sure you've heard about it).

I'm not arguing the moral status of what's growing inside her, so my argument has never included adoption. Why? Because regardless of wether or not she keeps the child, she is still going to be seriously affected by the event, possibly traumatized. This is not the equivalent of having to clean up spilled milk, no matter how much you may paint it to be so.

And wether or not an abortion itself is a cop-out is for another topic entirely. But I'll tell you right now that "tough" is hardly a good argument.

Sexual abuse and consentual sex are two different things.. ive already said that I would leave it up to the person to have an abortion or not if she was raped or did not consent to having sex. But, women who get pregnant from being raped are very few and far between.. But, no, people like you want abortion as a form of birth control.. thats unacceptable.

And you think that she wont be seriously affected by an abortion? Women can be just as traumatized by having an abortion, too, bro. And if the girl makes a mistake of having sex with another guy and gets pregnant, she needs to own up..

 

[Absinthe]

Sexual abuse and consentual sex are two different things.. ive already said that I would leave it up to the person to have an abortion or not if she was raped or did not consent to having sex. But, women who get pregnant from being raped are very few and far between.. But, no, people like you want abortion as a form of birth control.. thats unacceptable.

You argument rests on an assumed moral status of abortions, so I'm not going to really bother addressing it as it would result in a derailing. Although I can tell you that I do not view it as a form of birth control and that you are only projecting a stupid negative stereotype onto me.

You clearly think that if sex is consensual, regardless of mental state, then one should be deal with the consequences of their action. So a little hypothetical: Would it be okay if a ten year old agreed to have sex with me? Or a severely mentally handicapped person? I don't think so. Again, I could understand where you're coming from if this happened to a mature female who had been fully aware of her situation and the reprecussions she could possibly face. But that's not the case.

And you think that she wont be seriously affected by an abortion? Women can be just as traumatized by having an abortion, too, bro. And if the girl makes a mistake of having sex with another guy and gets pregnant, she needs to own up..

Read above.

 

[PickledGecko]

Sexual abuse and consentual sex are two different things..

Sex with a 13 year old girl is NOT consensual!

ive already said that I would leave it up to the person to have an abortion or not if she was raped or did not consent to having sex.

Sex with a 13 year old girl is RAPE.

And if the girl makes a mistake of having sex with another guy and gets pregnant, she needs to own up..

It's not her "mistake", she is a VICTIM.

 

[Eg.]

does anyone still remember what i said? he ran away from teh orpahange, and came back pregnant. that means she either

1 screwed for food (still rape)

2 was raped

now base ur arguments on that

 

[KoreBolteR]

Sex with a 13 year old girl is RAPE.

not really...
what is she wanted to do it.. maybe she went on to him...

Dictionary.

Rape - The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

:|

 

[kirovman]

not really...
what is she wanted to do it.. maybe she went on to him...

Dictionary.

Rape - The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

:|

So if a 13 year old girl went onto you, you'd accept it?

It is within the adult man's power to resist a 13 year old girl.

He'd still get done for statory rape and possibly paedophilia. It's rape, because legally she is too young to consent.

Her saying "I consent" does not open a verbal contract.

 

[KoreBolteR]

So if a 13 year old girl went onto you, you'd accept it?

It is within the adult man's power to resist a 13 year old girl.

He'd still get done for statory rape and possibly paedophilia. It's rape, because legally she is too young to consent.

Her saying "I consent" does not open a verbal contract.

your putting words into my mouth...

what if the girl didnt look 13, and looked older.. and come on, youde know there are some sick bastards out there that would go along with it.

Doesnt make a difference, its not rape, but yes it is paedophilia, jail for that guy of course. :cheers:

 

[Absinthe]

People, look do some revision regarding statutory rape and the age of consent. Then think about why such concepts exist.

 

[kirovman]

your putting words into my mouth...

what if the girl didnt look 13, and looked older.. and come on, youde know there are some sick bastards out there that would go along with it.

Doesnt make a difference, its not rape, but yes it is paedophilia, jail for that guy of course. :cheers:

Sorry, I'm just begging the hypothetical point.

Yes there are girls who look older, but it's a bit dubious at best, so yes there are some sickos out there. Who should take the majority of the responsibility, rather than a 13 year old from an orphanage.

Also:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=statutory rape

It legally is statutory rape. Jail for that guy (if they can find him).