A Thread For UK Elections 2005

oldagerocker said:
Kirovman, why are you voting labour? I cant think of any reason to, please enlighten me :)
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Because I think their policies rely on long term plans to shape a good future for Health, Crime, and their plans for our economy.
I think their policies seem the most realistic, so far.

The lib dems are alright but they've got some crazy ideas in there with their good ones.

That is opposed to these dubious quick fixes proposed by the Tories, involving cutting funds AND making hospitals better. Also they seem remarkably scared of immigrants, which I don't like.

I've seen people being yelled at by immigration officiers, it's guilty until proven innocent in that world. The least we could do is allow foreigners a bit of dignity in our interrogating them for the reasons of why they would like to come into our country. I'm not saying let more immigrants in, but the way we handle immigrants is terrible. People on false documents pass through easily, while the innocent ones get a hard time.
That stems from the Tory days.
 

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KoreBolteR said:
the lib dems are the same as the other 2. charles kennedy having a baby in election time for an election boost is one..

i would call it better looking.

but i would call it formal and neat. people wouldnt want a bald dirty looking tramp as a prime minister.. even if he was the best.
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Yes, Kennedy purposely planned having a child in the middle of an election just so he'd look good.

Never mind all the stress that goes with having a child and such, he obviously wanted the attention, not a family!
:rolleyes:
 
Kennedy is a weak character, he would make a terrible prime minister, well mabye not terrible but he seems to care little for actually what he proposes.

Blair and howard at least believe they can make a difference even if its deluded.

One of the things (amongst many) that puts me off the lib dems is kennedy.

Prime minister is actually quite important for a parties success, now if labour get in i want to see someone other than blair, while blair isn't a nightmare i would prefer a fresh face for the pm, brown mabye.
Now, michael howard, oh noes teh vampire!
He seems to me to be a reasonable guy (as far as politicians go anyway), i think he does have a passion for his party, the only thing that concerns me is his past which the other parties have dragged up......not too sure.

Anyway i'm voting for conservative, more than anything i think it would be funny to have michael howard as pm.

No party is my ideal party, so i cannot be enthusiastic, but i feel it is important i vote.
 
Anyway i'm voting for conservative, more than anything i think it would be funny to have michael howard as pm.
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Hahah, it's weird but that's exactly what I'm thinking. If nothing else it would be quite funny to have the "Judderman" representing us around the world.
 
short recoil i agree with you mostly.

change kennedy for a more loud powerful leader who can get his/her point across clearly and has a good idea of politics (heh), THEN ill vote lib dems all teh way.(as long as he/she doesnt look scruffy)
 
I'd just like to add that the Lib Dems are not necessarily any more trustworthy or beyond cheap mudslinging than the other parties.

I saw the Lib Dem party political broadcast the other day - so much for their "no negativity" stuff. The whole thing was just a couple of actors pretending to be Tory/Labour second car salesmen, generally trying the age old "yer carnt trust em!" approach. Pretty hypocritical when you're trying to appear aloof from that whole dimension of the campaign.
 
short recoil said:
Kennedy is a weak character, he would make a terrible prime minister, well mabye not terrible but he seems to care little for actually what he proposes.

Blair and howard at least believe they can make a difference even if its deluded.

One of the things (amongst many) that puts me off the lib dems is kennedy.

Prime minister is actually quite important for a parties success, now if labour get in i want to see someone other than blair, while blair isn't a nightmare i would prefer a fresh face for the pm, brown mabye.
Now, michael howard, oh noes teh vampire!
He seems to me to be a reasonable guy (as far as politicians go anyway), i think he does have a passion for his party, the only thing that concerns me is his past which the other parties have dragged up......not too sure.

Anyway i'm voting for conservative, more than anything i think it would be funny to have michael howard as pm.

No party is my ideal party, so i cannot be enthusiastic, but i feel it is important i vote.
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We vote for a party, not a person. It's not America.
 
Feath said:
We vote for a party, not a person. It's not America.
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That's true. You do vote for the the MP of your local constituency rather than your absolute divine leader.

I get quite depressed about our democracy here in the UK, but it cheers me up no end when I compare it to the American election system.

*no offence* :bounce:
 
I'm also glad of the differences between the UK and the American electoral system, but let's not underestimate the difference that party leaders/Prime Ministers make. What would have happened in WW2 without Churchill, Iraq without Blair....not just war leaders, either, loads of domestic aspects. With a general election campaign, people look at the party leaders and try to imagine how their character would shape the way the country is run. I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at it that way...I'm not saying that you should overlook who you're electing into your area, though.
 
I won't be voting Labour because the party and the Cabinet seem to be inappropriately dominated by the PM, and I don't agree with the international policy and many of the domestic policies that he (and others) have followed. Though a few things have been commendable. My main problem is that Labour is that since John Smith, the party has largely betrayed its roots, for the sake of getting into government. Even with that acknowledged, the government has distressed me for its unapologetic support for the neo-fascist capitalists comprising the government on the other side of a certain body of water. That's why I could never vote for them with Blair as leader. I don't see Brown being any different in this respect.

I won't be voting Conservative because as far as I'm concerned, they represent, and exploit, many things I dislike about about Britain - old money/the gentry, distrust of foreigners, latent hatred of continental Europeans, unsympathetic social attitudes, and so on... They're the party of the past in my opinion. At least Labour sometimes pretends to respect the public. I think that the Tories would be everything I dislike about Labour, only more so.

Lib Dems... well, I'm pleased by their persistent emphasis on environment, sticking to their principles on tax, and general refusal to engage on the tabloid-popularised stupid election issues. On the other hand, I'd rather a party regarded as being the furthest left were a bit more socialist, and I'd rather they had more emphasis on foreign policy. So really for me, it's between them and the Greens... gotta think some more.

My main political concerns are:
Sustainable development
Education reform
Energy
Foreign policy, international development and UN reform
 
Oh the Greens, I couldn't vote for them. Maybe I would one day desire to see such a party in power, but for now it would be too much sacrifice, giving up your cars for example.

I don't see them as realistic myself. Very much idealists.
 
Respect were intriguing to start with, but its raison d'etre seems to be to recruit disaffected Labour supporters. I liked Galloway back when he left the party, but the whole thing seems a bit opportunistic. But TBH I'm not really clued up. Care to fill us in? Policies, election issues?
 
kirovman said:
Oh the Greens, I couldn't vote for them. Maybe I would one day desire to see such a party in power, but for now it would be too much sacrifice, giving up your cars for example.

I don't see them as realistic myself. Very much idealists.
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I'd call them more idiotic. It's not their general anti-pollution policies I don't like, it's the technopobia they process. "Oh no, Nanotechnology. I think I read in a book that it could cause the end of the world. We'd better try to get the Government to test it more."
 
Well, at least they're literate enough to read. Pollutionness? Process?
Just kidding matey.
 
pomegranate said:
Well, at least they're literate enough to read. Pollutionness? Process?
Just kidding matey.
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There's actually a group of green activists who think that language is the root of all evil and it would be better off if we didn't speak.

Anyway, I've changed it now.
 
short recoil said:
Anyway i'm voting for conservative, more than anything i think it would be funny to have michael howard as pm.
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Your respect for the democratic process and the future well-being of our nation astounds me.
If you wanna vote Tory, fine, but because it's "funny"? F*ck me, I hope few other people agree with your methods.
Besides, he wouldn't be a "funny" PM, he'd be a disaster.


Oh, and Kangy, cheers for this:
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Voting Tory because Howard is funny is as valid as not voting for them because you think he might be a vampire :p
 
I'm ****ing fed up of seeing Kilroy's smug little grin on every streetlight on the way into Derby. What exactly does Veritas have without that asshat anyway? I mean, you never see a party logo, just his face. I guess this is just a big ego-wank for him anyway.

We finally got our election stuff from the nice Lib Dem lady and the Labour woman. They both seemed rather nice.
 
LOL, the idiots that BNP are:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4476279.stm

BNP launches election manifesto

Nick Griffin has launched his party's election manifesto
The British National Party has launched its general election manifesto with a call to abolish multi-culturalism.
Leader Nick Griffin also called for EU withdrawal, the restoration of capital punishment and an end to immigration.

He said British troops should be pulled out of Iraq and used to patrol Dover and the Channel Tunnel to keep out illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

And he pledged to introduce "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home".

Assault rifle

He said the main issue at this election was for the British to regain control of their own country.

Mr Griffin also wants the reintroduction of national service and said everyone who had undergone it should be required to keep a modern assault rifle at home.

"It's there to shoot burglars with if they want, it's there to shoot people who invade this country if they want, and if in the end a tyrannical government wants to usurp the rights and freedoms of the people it is there to use against the government as well," he said.

He added that this would disprove the "smear" that his party was totalitarian.
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Made me laugh, just for its pure rediculous value.

ALL of the troops should be withdrawn from Iraq for the sole purpose of patrolling the Channel Tunnel? :LOL:


Firm but involuntary incentives for immigrants to return home?

Mind they'd have to be consistent with that policy and require all British Ex-pats to return home, to "Good old [facist] Britain".
 
kirovman said:
LOL, the idiots that BNP are:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4476279.stm



Made me laugh, just for its pure rediculous value.

ALL of the troops should be withdrawn from Iraq for the sole purpose of patrolling the Channel Tunnel? :LOL:
Firm but involuntary incentives for immigrants to return home?

Mind they'd have to be consistent with that policy and require all British Emmigrants to return home, to "Good old [facist] Britain".
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Cool, the BNP wants to give me an Assault Rifle so i can shoot them all down? Well, it's better then what the Conservatives are offering me :).

But all the parties, bar the big 3, really aren't worth anything as they only focus on one issue.
 
Razor said:
Cool, the BNP wants to give me an Assault Rifle so i can shoot them all down? Well, it's better then what the Conservatives are offering me :).

But all the parties, bar the big 3, really aren't worth anything as they only focus on one issue.
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I heard Kilroy's main issue was to put his chat show back on TV. All the other issues are just a smoke screen. What a cretin.
 
"Oh, this is just a saga now!"

Yes, that's right... give a load of rifles to half-trained people who just went because they're forced! That won't lead to an increase in lawless shootings over silly little arguments! Yes, we sure do need compulsory national service in a time like this!

Maybe he just wants to be able to shoot non-white, non-Christians, non-British or heck, anybody who disagrees with his shitty little facist party.
 
Kangy said:
"Oh, this is just a saga now!"

Yes, that's right... give a load of rifles to half-trained people who just went because they're forced! That won't lead to an increase in lawless shootings over silly little arguments! Yes, we sure do need compulsory national service in a time like this!

Maybe he just wants to be able to shoot non-white, non-Christians, non-British or heck, anybody who disagrees with his shitty little facist party.
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But wouldn't those same people be taking pot shots at him because they disagreed with his shitty little facist party?
 
What if they didn't take compulsory national service?

Ie. Were too old/injured/mentally unfit.
 
Kangy said:
What if they didn't take compulsory national service?
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One of the many reasons they want to bring back the death penalty...
 
kirovman said:
Hehe, Veritas? Or UKIP?

Crime would have gone out of control (more so) under the conservatives
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I very much doubt that. The Labour have brought soo many illegal imigrants into this country who cause most of the crimes in our country. If the conservatives were in charge were would be able to monitor who comes & goes in the country and limit crime by having more police on the streets.


Also what part of the country are u from, cos most people that aggree with Labour actually live in a nice pecefull area, where no imigrants flee. Prooves how much u know.
 
Laivasse said:
For Ethnic minorities Labour has always been the traditional party to vote for, however nowadays they pass laws allowing 'terrorists' (ie. Moslems) to be locked up without trial and without evidence (or any that needs to be shown to anyone).
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OK and where did u read that nonsense from?

I live in a town which is pretty much now over run my imigrants, and the police ehre dont give 2 shits about us anymore. I once went to this pub and i was aving a few beers, there was a disturbance outside between and english bloke and a few asians. The cops pulled up beat and arrested the white lad, whilst they let the griup of asians go free. I see this happen all the time in my town nowadays. And if Labour wins again, this will become a big country issue.
 
lister said:
I very much doubt that. The Labour have brought soo many illegal imigrants into this country who cause most of the crimes in our country. If the conservatives were in charge were would be able to monitor who comes & goes in the country and limit crime by having more police on the streets.


Also what part of the country are u from, cos most people that aggree with Labour actually live in a nice pecefull area, where no imigrants flee. Prooves how much u know.
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Yes, Labour specifically asked all those immigrants to come here... illegally, too! Can you actually back the immigrants cause most crime part up? I don't really think the Tories could do **** all well with the amount of tax they're proposing to cut.

And, for your information, I live right nextdoor to one of the largest immigrant centres in the UK. Funnily enough, a lot of the people....

a) Have jobs
b) Keep themselves to themselves
c) Attend religious services just like many non-immigrant Christians
d) Get a good education and get a good job in the city doing something nice
e) Don't moan.

Ironically enough, this proves just how much you know.
 
It cant be that bad of a city u live in, ur jobs have not been taken my the imigrants.

The BNP is the ONLY party that is serious about restoring democracy to Britain, restoring pride in local communities, restoring control of our national borders and ending the flood of economic migrants and bogus asylum seekers. If you have arrived at this site wanting to find out more about Britain's only political party, which gives hope to the millions of long suffering Britons who are increasingly becoming second class citizens in these our island homelands

While the dumping of asylum seekers on our communities is fundamentally the fault of the Government, BNP councillors will do everything in their power to prevent asylum seekers being dumped in our areas.

The BNP will end the scandal of council properties which are deemed substandard being left empty while our own people are homeless, only to have thousands spent on them to provide top grade accommodation for asylum seekers.

We will expose and fight any attempt by central government or by Labour/LibDem council majorities to push asylum seekers to the top of the housing or benefits queues.

Whilst we do not believe that the current wave of asylum seekers have any right to be in Britain, while they are here we will insist that benefits provided by the local community are repaid by asylum seekers being put to work to clean up the streets and carry out other tasks on behalf of the local community. This must not be at the cost of cleaning jobs at present held by local labour – there is plenty of squalor to be tidied up. Such employment should not be taken to mean they have any legal grounds for residential status. Their role locally will be reviewed upon Home Office decision regarding their asylum status.
 
yeah to get in this country, they should be able to bring something good with them, like some qualifications, which can help britain.

without anything, they shouldnt allow them in.
 
The problem of immigration is a real one, but it's not as bad as the Tories and the general Right-wing media make it out to be. It's all scare-mongering "I'm not racist, but..." bollocks and the Tories themselves don't have a genuine solution. They say they'll clamp down on it, but I don't think they're entirely sure how.

Oh, and Michael Howard's parents or granparents were immigrants. Just a nice side-note, I thought.
 
el Chi said:
The problem of immigration is a real one, but it's not as bad as the Tories and the general Right-wing media make it out to be. .
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Y dont u think its that bad?

tne city i live in i have seen it achieve soo much. Since it has become one of the most multicultural cities in UK im afraid to say that it has gone down the hill.
 
I'm living in Nottingham, and yeah, there are a lot of immigrants here.

You're confusing illegal immigrants with legal migrants.

How can illegal immigrants have jobs? If you know for a fact they are illegal, they would be thrown out, if they are taking YOUR job.
As for legal migrants, isn't getting a job a good thing? Better than this beating up thing you are talking about. Or do you think they clean the streets for £2 an hour, and after go on the rampage?

It's probably true the 'immigrant asians' you talk about are in fact 2nd or 3rd generation born in UK, and have developed their attitude from inner city schools education.

And this system is in a bad position due to the policies of the previous government. Asylum seeker applications have decreased in the past 8 years. The problem you suggest with immigrants is not going to be solved over night.
Plans need time to come into effect. What is the BNP's proposal? Bring round a van in the middle of the night and round up everyone who isn't white?


I don't harbour any feelings against legal immigrants, having being an immigrant in other countries before. I was made to feel welcome there, so I feel I should do the same to immigrants coming here, without them taking advantage of me.

If BNP got into power, I'm sure we'd see a mass EMMIGRATION of decent British people who were disgusted that such a government got into power.

I agree economic migrants should bring something good with them, to lift the economy.

I'm afraid immigration is the bullet some of us have to bite, we live with our past colonial day decisions.

So what do you want to see? NO immigration? Look at us, we have the ability to go anywhere in the world without trouble, and when some Indian guy sets up a restaurant in this city, we want to burn it down? That's screwed up.
 
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