A Thread For UK Elections 2005

In fact, reading some of the stuff on the Green Party site about Nanotechnology is making me rather annoyed.

They seem to think that nano means this huge scary thing, a bit like "Nuclear". Nanotechnology is just the manipulation of chemicals on a very small scale. It's nothing scary and there's nothing bad about it. They're just chemicals, which are all around us anyway.

oldagerocker said:
LOL :LOL: you'd think the tabloids would jump onto this one... but i guess the greens arent worthy of news paper. Damn i hate the mirror... so labour biased it makes me feel physically sick. Whatever happened to newspapers... just reporting the damn news?!

(my mum gets the mirror, so i see it everytime i go home... i cant stand it :()
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Well, it was in New Scientist in their "feedback" section which features funny stories from the world of Science.

Anyway, Newspapers have always been biased towards one political party. The internet, or TV is a better source for unbiased news.
 
The government still needs to address apathy and people just not knowing or caring about the country. I was talking to a few friends over msn today about their vote and it really infuriated me that some just didnt care, they thought all the parties were all bullshit and would do no good, so there's no point voting. It makes me feel sad.
Other people just dont read into politics and make there own mind up on how they want their country.... which also makes me sad :(
 
Yeah, cynics kindof piss me off. 'I don't care who gets into power'. It's a pretty irresponsible thing to be doing
 
oldagerocker said:
LOL :LOL: you'd think the tabloids would jump onto this one... but i guess the greens arent worthy of news paper. Damn i hate the mirror... so labour biased it makes me feel physically sick. Whatever happened to newspapers... just reporting the damn news?!

(my mum gets the mirror, so i see it everytime i go home... i cant stand it :()
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Hah. Of course The Greens wouldn't like newspapers. Think of the trees, mate. ;)
 
jondyfun said:
Yeah, cynics kindof piss me off. 'I don't care who gets into power'. It's a pretty irresponsible thing to be doing
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Yeah. I'm a firm believer in the old adage that if you don't use your vote, you pretty much lose your right to complain about taxes, govt., etc.
They're trying to get that message through with that ad on TV at the moment: "Tsk tsk. You said you didn't DO politics"
It's so ridiculously contemptable all I can see it doing is DISCOURAGING people to vote because it makes it so dull and soul-crushingly sh*t.
 
Ah, but that'll wheedle out the idiots who don't deserve a vote! We can live through awful government-sponsored ads, proving we have the willpower that makes us worthy enough to decide who runs the country!

The BNP and the Greens are just jokes. Anyone who admits to voting for them needs help- perhaps in honesty-versus-survival classes for one thing. Not necessarily because of the core issues they "stand" for, but because both parties do their best to appear badly led and ill-advised.

...like the rest of them. Urgh, I sound like an angsty, apthatetic nerdy teenager all over again. 'Cept older.
 
Edcrab said:
...like the rest of them. Urgh, I sound like an angsty, apthatetic nerdy teenager all over again. 'Cept older.
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Yeah, I hated that. Kids who took Politics A-Level and bragged about it. "I'm cool, I'm doing Politics, init! Communism rocks!"
 
People study politics for two reasons only:
1. They're showing off.
2. They're megalomaniacs in the making.
 
Aargh, you're going to get me started on that again! Aargh!

Remember one conversation I had with a (significantly younger) friend...

"I'm doing Politics," he tells me, "and communism is obviously the way forward."

"It's failed in the past because it's inherently flawed."

"That's just because evil people ran countries and pretended they were being socialist."

"No, it's because we're an inherently greedy and selfish species that requires instant gratification in everything we do."

"It'd be fairer!"

"Well, you're going to be a doctor, right?"

"Yeah?"

"So you're happy with the idea that I, an assistant technician, who works the same hours as a medical practitioner, would get exactly the same pay as you?"

"What's that got to do with anything?"

"Who the hell is going to be a sewer-dredger when they can wash windows and get paid the exact same amount? Who would want to do the nightshift as a brain surgeon when a bugger like me- a glorified janitor- gets exactly the same privileges?"

"Yeah... well... uh... FASCIST!!"

"Touche."
 
Edcrab said:
Aargh, you're going to get me started on that again! Aargh!

Remember one conversation I had with a (significantly younger) friend...

"I'm doing Politics," he tells me, "and communism is obviously the way forward."

"It's failed in the past because it's inherently flawed."

"That's just because evil people ran countries and pretended they were being socialist."

"No, it's because we're an inherently greedy and selfish species that requires instant gratification in everything we do."

"It'd be fairer!"

"Well, you're going to be a doctor, right?"

"Yeah?"

"So you're happy with the idea that I, an assistant technician, who works the same hours as a medical practitioner, would get exactly the same pay as you?"

"What's that got to do with anything?"

"Who the hell is going to be a sewer-dredger when they can wash windows and get paid the exact same amount? Who would want to do the nightshift as a brain surgeon when a bugger like me- a glorified janitor- gets exactly the same privileges?"

"Yeah... well... uh... FASCIST!!"

"Touche."
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lol :LOL: well done ! :cheese:

it's costing me 36 quid to vote... i dont trust the postal voting :( so im training it home for a day.
 
Postal ballots were another bad move on Labour's part- but then again, they'd have been equally criticised if the elderly and disabled found it difficult to get to a voting office.

They just can't win anything... except the election. I'd like to see them get in, albeit with a greatly reduced majority, merely because I still see them as the most viable option.
 
Im thinking more longterm with my vote, hopefully with enough seats the BNP will be the real opposition!! :cheese:
 
Edcrab said:
Postal ballots were another bad move on Labour's part- but then again, they'd have been equally criticised if the elderly and disabled found it difficult to get to a voting office.

They just can't win anything... except the election. I'd like to see them get in, albeit with a greatly reduced majority, merely because I still see them as the most viable option.
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I don't really see the problem with postal votes. They can be faked but I don't think - or at least I'd like to think - that our system's not that corrupt that it would definitely swing things one way or the other.

If one of the parties demands a recount, I'm moving to Florida.
 
Heh, funny thing I saw while I was on the bus today:

The "Vote Conservative!" signs that have been rather objectionably placed all over these fences on the bus route have been utterly defaced. They'd been annoying me for some time now, but they currently say:

"Vote Conservative for Xenophobia."
"Vote Conservative for Elitism."
"Vote Conservative for Fascism"
"Vote Conservative Go Backwards"
"Vote Conservative For Tw*ts"

Labour Party members on the pub crawl, perhaps?

Brilliant.
 
That's fantastic! I wish I had the energy to make similar efforts. F*ckit.
 
Kangy said:
Heh, funny thing I saw while I was on the bus today:

The "Vote Conservative!" signs that have been rather objectionably placed all over these fences on the bus route have been utterly defaced. They'd been annoying me for some time now, but they currently say:

"Vote Conservative for Xenophobia."
"Vote Conservative for Elitism."
"Vote Conservative for Fascism"
"Vote Conservative Go Backwards"
"Vote Conservative For Tw*ts"

Labour Party members on the pub crawl, perhaps?

Brilliant.
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Yeah near where i live we had some old man have his garden wrecked because he had a conservative sign up.
 
short recoil said:
Yeah near where i live we had some old man have his garden wrecked because he had a conservative sign up.
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Well, that's kind of mean. I don't really mind when it's on a road sign because I feel like it's so ridiculously distracting. I always get annoyed because they're always the only ones with giant signs up that you can help but notice. Then I think why I wouldn't vote for them.

If I was driving, why, I could potentially crash!
 
shouldnt we add a poll to see who people are thinking of voting for,im surprised it hasnt been added
 
jimbo118 said:
shouldnt we add a poll to see who people are thinking of voting for,im surprised it hasnt been added
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That'd be abit silly imo. USA spammer would come in here and vote BNP for the hell of it and piss everyone off. Plus, i changed my mind, other people might and a vote wouldn't allow for that. It's not needed, you just need to debate the issues in the thread atm, maybe on election day we should have a vote thread.
 
Labour is definately the most viable party still, the Lib Dems have some good policies but lack any sort of political support or clout, the Conservatives need a strong leader and better policies and need to gain a whole lot more trust. Blair isn't the powerful leader he used to be though, this is why i think Brown should take over.
 
If you think Lib Dem have the best policies, vote for them. Give them political clout with your vote. That's what a democracy is all about Razor.
 
As a moderate Republican (yes we do exist in the USA), I'll have to support the party of Maggie Thatcher.

Conservatives all the way :)
 
SFLUFAN said:
As a moderate Republican (yes we do exist in the USA), I'll have to support the party of Maggie Thatcher.

Conservatives all the way :)
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You do know she essentially ****ed Britain up, right?

'Falklands? At last... a real crisis!'
 
jondyfun said:
You do know she essentially ****ed Britain up, right?

'Falklands? At last... a real crisis!'
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That's debatable. You'll find a lot of people who say that she wasn't that bad.
 
If she was in power for 3 terms, she must have done something right... and if Tony gets in again, he must be doing something right, i just dont agree with it, or see what that thing is.
 
Feath said:
That's debatable. You'll find a lot of people who say that she wasn't that bad.
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I agree. If she truley did **** up this country it would be common knowledge. She did a lot of things good for this country, despite people hating her for acts like breaking up the unions.

And who is to say James Callaghan would have done better?

I'm not a die hard fanatic for a party, I'll vote whoever's currently best for my needs (Which may be Labour now).

I have my own principles for life, I don't need to follow a single party through my life.

For me, it's a bit blatent Mr. Howard's campaign is flawed.
 
Kirovman, why are you voting labour? I cant think of any reason to, please enlighten me :)
 
I will vote for what is best for me, that is of course my natural choice....
I hardly ever use health services( yeah go on about "one day you might", well i lead a very healthy life, i am very cautious e.t.c, i am statistically less likely to use it than most people)
I am having no children, i needn't worry about any child policies.
E.t.c. e.t.c

Call me selfish, but why should i want something that benefits others?

As far as i can see if conservative get in, that will be my best choice.

Now i expect all the comments against this post, i expect nothing else.
 
short recoil said:
I will vote for what is best for me, that is of course my natural choice....
I hardly ever use health services( yeah go on about "one day you might", well i lead a very healthy life, i am very cautious e.t.c, i am statistically less likely to use it than most people)
I am having no children, i needn't worry about any child policies.
E.t.c. e.t.c

Call me selfish, but why should i want something that benefits others?

As far as i can see if conservative get in, that will be my best choice.

Now i expect all the comments against this post, i expect nothing else.
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Makes sense to me. That's democracy in it's purest form.
 
short recoil said:
I will vote for what is best for me, that is of course my natural choice....
I hardly ever use health services( yeah go on about "one day you might", well i lead a very healthy life, i am very cautious e.t.c, i am statistically less likely to use it than most people)
I am having no children, i needn't worry about any child policies.
E.t.c. e.t.c

Call me selfish, but why should i want something that benefits others?

As far as i can see if conservative get in, that will be my best choice.

Now i expect all the comments against this post, i expect nothing else.
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Hmm, so what issues do affect you?
 
Feath said:
Hmm, so what issues do affect you?
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Nothing. He lives in..... A CAVE! :O

Sorry about the Maggie flame, evidently she didn't run our country into the ground, I just despise her personally :(
 
oldagerocker said:
If you think Lib Dem have the best policies, vote for them. Give them political clout with your vote. That's what a democracy is all about Razor.
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They do have some good policies, better policies then the conservatives, but i do still think Labour would be better then they would be in power. I would much rather see them get to be the main opposition party over the Conservatives though, the Conservatives lack trust, lack good ideas and lack a good, strong leader. I can't really see anyone in the Conversative party that would make a good, strong leader anyway. Charles Kennedy might not be a powerful leader, but he is a trustable and genuinely likable person, someone you could support and trust, Blair, like i said, might not be as powerful as he used ot be, but he is far stronger then Michael Howard is.
 
oldagerocker said:
Kirovman, why are you voting labour? I cant think of any reason to, please enlighten me :)
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Because they're not the Tories. If it looks as if the Tories could win where I'm at uni, I'll unhesitatingly vote for Labour. BEsides, Gordie might be leading them soon enough, and I trust him a damn sight more than I trust Blair right now.
 
Hmm, not sure about Blair necessarily being a stronger leader than Michael Howard. It's not just the fact that I detest Blair with all of my being, but in PMQ's Howard can slug it out okay with Blair, apart from that farcical UP UP UP DOWN DOWN DOWN crap. Blair probably does exercise more control over the Labour party than Howard does over the Tories, but I reckon that's probably down to the Tories being a bunch of stroppy toffs.

If the Labour party had a lot more people like Robin Cook and Diane Abbott, then I'd consider voting for them despite Blair, but as it is, no chance. Seems to me Labour's just a bit too full of party whips and toeing of the party line.
 
The thing with Daine Abbott is that she knows her seat is solid and pretty much in the bag every time around, which is why she does almost whatever she wants. That's not SUCH a good thing for Hackney.
 
Laivasse said:
Hmm, not sure about Blair necessarily being a stronger leader than Michael Howard. It's not just the fact that I detest Blair with all of my being, but in PMQ's Howard can slug it out okay with Blair, apart from that farcical UP UP UP DOWN DOWN DOWN crap. Blair probably does exercise more control over the Labour party than Howard does over the Tories, but I reckon that's probably down to the Tories being a bunch of stroppy toffs.

If the Labour party had a lot more people like Robin Cook and Diane Abbott, then I'd consider voting for them despite Blair, but as it is, no chance. Seems to me Labour's just a bit too full of party whips and toeing of the party line.
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What are your opinions of Gordon Brown, Gordon Brown has always been one of the most prominent and powerful figures in the "New" Labour government that came into power in 1997, and before then. But the "New" Labour that came into power in 1997 isn't the Labour now, that is one of the problems. Back then, you had Tony Blair, a powerful leader, unifying people such as Robin Cook, Gordon Brown, John Prescott, etc. But now, a lot of them have either left or moved onto pastures new, apart from Prescott, Blair and Brown.
 
Razor labour is looking weak, but so is the oppostition.. we need better looking people that actualy do thier job right!

i cant trust labour, tories or lib dems.
 
KoreBolteR said:
Razor labour is looking weak, but so is the oppostition.. we need better looking people that actualy do thier job right!

i cant trust labour, tories or lib dems.
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Why don't you trust the lib dems? And why should people in politics be better looking?
 
the lib dems are the same as the other 2. charles kennedy having a baby in election time for an election boost is one..

i wouldnt call it better looking.

but i would call it formal and neat. people wouldnt want a bald dirty looking tramp as a prime minister.. even if he was the best.
 
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