Abortion - Should it be legal?

Should abortion be legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 75 60.5%

  • No

    Votes: 20 16.1%

  • Yes in only certain cases (rape)

    Votes: 29 23.4%
  • Total voters
    124
Wow you must be one sick **** to think rape is ok. People like that should be locked in a windowless box and have the key thrown away.
 
I'm saying yes, because I don't have a vagina. Who am I to say what can and can't be done down there.

Besides, people suck, and if I can vote for legislation to prevent people, then I'm all for it.
 
Steelwind said:
Isn't it already legal? And yes I feel it should stick around. Sometimes I disagree with the reasoning behind the abortion, but that's not my call to make.
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Maybe, but wouldn't make the call if a mother was abusing a child.
 
Neutrino said:
See, the question of when human life begins is still entirely subjective.
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So what makes a person a person?
 
Yakuza said:
So what makes a person a person?
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I don't know, you tell me. That's what I was saying. Things like that are pretty subjective. How can you pin that down to an exact definition? A person is a person if they have Human DNA? Well then what about a person who undergoes some sort of genetic therapy and now has a gene from another species in them? Well, it would seem they are still human. A person is a person if they have the capacity for language? Well, what if someone is born with a brain defect? There still a person though I would say. A person is a person if they have the ability to react consciously to their surrounding? Well, someone in a coma would be out of luck. Also, I suppose an animal would then be a person as well.

Trying to set the exact limits on humanity is an endeavor that is subjective by nature in my opinion.

Yakuza said:
Also kind of interesting ...... http://www.garyin.com/abortion/abortion.html
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As was already pointed out you could have just as easily killed Hitler. Those type of scenarios really don't make a valid case one way or the other as far as I can see.
 
wretched invaginated scoundrels.. BOW TO THE KING OF ABORTIONS!
 
Abortions are unnecesary.
Don't want your kid? Put him up for adoption, problem solved. Or, if you don't want some child coming out of your vagina, use a condom, or other methods of contraception.
 
there are too many people in this world right now. i cannot remember a single thing from before i was one year of age, and i doubt you can either. i doubt that you are even conscious of your surroundings when you are still in the womb. i believe abortions are a "neccessary evil" but we should try to find a way to make them smoother. right now they are basically chopped to pieces while still inside the mother, or their brains are sucked out of their heads. we need to find a way to euthanise them with no pain to the fetus (even though i am pretty sure they cant feel anything anyway)
 
Tredoslop said:
Abortions are unnecesary.
Don't want your kid? Put him up for adoption, problem solved. Or, if you don't want some child coming out of your vagina, use a condom, or other methods of contraception.
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cept shit happens, condoms aren't foolproof. that kids life has a very good chance of being miserable if he is put up for adoption as well, and in the places where abortion is necessary most of the time its even worse.

so yes to abortion. its the woman's choice, and no one else's.
 
CyberSh33p said:
cept shit happens, condoms aren't foolproof. that kids life has a very good chance of being miserable if he is put up for adoption as well, and in the places where abortion is necessary most of the time its even worse.

so yes to abortion. its the woman's choice, and no one else's.
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quoted for truth

Cybersh33p, as usual, is right. It should be her choice.
 
CyberSh33p said:
cept shit happens, condoms aren't foolproof. that kids life has a very good chance of being miserable if he is put up for adoption as well, and in the places where abortion is necessary most of the time its even worse.

so yes to abortion. its the woman's choice, and no one else's.
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My opinion too :)
 
I think the pro's outweigh the con's. So i'll say yes.
 
Yakuza said:
Also kind of interesting ...... http://www.garyin.com/abortion/abortion.html
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I love how that site states "Would you concider reccomending abortion",. who the hell would actually reccomend abortion?! For christ sakes, thats the most insensitive assinine thing anyone could do. Its not like women are unaware of the option, and that is a very personal decision.

(and as qckbeam pointed out, it would be just as easy to make a similar page of scenarios where "reccomending abortion" could save the world from evil dictators)

The issue here is
1) a womans rights over her own body
and
2) When does a celluar mass become a person with their own rights

First trimester, that clump of cells is not a consciousness. It is not until the brain starts forming that one could even start to argue that its a person.

Second trimester is a grey area. Actually I dont know quite enough about development to know what stages the brain is in at this point.

Third trimester abortions are messy, horrible experiences for everyone involved. The expelled fetus has the features of a baby and has a rudimentary consciousness. Nobody wants to see this happen. But still I'm prone to say its the womans right to choose. I am not a woman, and I simply do not think I have the authority to tell them what they should do with their bodies.

Really I think its far more of a crime for a pregnant mother to drink and do drugs then to get an abortion. Its better to not have that kid at all then to have one with birth defects and a mother who doesnt care.
 
When I look at some people, I'm all in favor of prenatal abortion too.
 
Neutrino said:
What about the situation in which the man's condom unknowningly breaks and the woman's birth control pills fail to work? It's happened.
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You totally missed my point, which clarifies that if you have sex, take responsibility, you know it going into it. Me and my girlfriend use the pill, no condoms, and we're fine but there will always be a chance.
 
PvtRyan said:
When I look at some people, I'm all in favor of prenatal abortion too.
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With that I of course meant postnatal....
 
Abortion should be legal if it is made for good enough reason. If the mother is raped? Yes. If the child will be born with some horrible birth defect or genetic disease? Yes. If the mother is living under sush conditions that even the pregrancy time could be devestating to her life? Yes. If the child is of the "wrong" gender? No.

Edit: BTW, I consider the baby to be a person once it has a functional brain.
 
On a related note, this woman is a crazy bitch.

My girlfriend's friend got effectively a week of nonstop flaming for refusing to go to her anti-abortion rally, and she hates homosexuals and sex education (y'know, that thing that gives you a rough guideline of what you should and shouldn't do when you were like 8?) with a passion.

Oh, I also agree with abortion at a early period, but I'd like to think there was some decent reasoning behind it, but better still, they didn't get preggers in the first place.
 
Grimfox said:
Should be legal but cost like 50,000 Dollars a death.
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lol.. less rich people, is that the idea? make those poor people keep multiplying :devil:
 
I think it should be fully legalised and possible in almost all circumstances, in fact I think it should be encouraged. Kids are scum.
 
Wraith said:
i believe abortions are a "neccessary evil" but we should try to find a way to make them smoother. right now they are basically chopped to pieces while still inside the mother, or their brains are sucked out of their heads. we need to find a way to euthanise them with no pain to the fetus (even though i am pretty sure they cant feel anything anyway)
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You can get chemical abortions now. No invasive surgical procedures necessary.

Abortions are and should remain legal. If you find the idea objectionable, don't have one!

Grimfox said:
Should be legal but cost like 50,000 Dollars a death.
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Freedom only for those who can afford it?
 
Hell yes. It's the womans body, she can do what she wants with it.
 
CyberSh33p said:
cept shit happens, condoms aren't foolproof. that kids life has a very good chance of being miserable if he is put up for adoption as well, and in the places where abortion is necessary most of the time its even worse.

so yes to abortion. its the woman's choice, and no one else's.
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Holy crap! Condoms can fail?
 
The_Monkey said:
Hell yes. It's the womans body, she can do what she wants with it.
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So when does the owner ship of the child not become the mothers?
 
f|uke said:
I love how that site states "Would you concider reccomending abortion",. who the hell would actually reccomend abortion?! For christ sakes, thats the most insensitive assinine thing anyone could do. Its not like women are unaware of the option, and that is a very personal decision.

(and as qckbeam pointed out, it would be just as easy to make a similar page of scenarios where "reccomending abortion" could save the world from evil dictators)

The issue here is
1) a womans rights over her own body
and
2) When does a celluar mass become a person with their own rights

First trimester, that clump of cells is not a consciousness. It is not until the brain starts forming that one could even start to argue that its a person.

Second trimester is a grey area. Actually I dont know quite enough about development to know what stages the brain is in at this point.

Third trimester abortions are messy, horrible experiences for everyone involved. The expelled fetus has the features of a baby and has a rudimentary consciousness. Nobody wants to see this happen. But still I'm prone to say its the womans right to choose. I am not a woman, and I simply do not think I have the authority to tell them what they should do with their bodies.

Really I think its far more of a crime for a pregnant mother to drink and do drugs then to get an abortion. Its better to not have that kid at all then to have one with birth defects and a mother who doesnt care.
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So a person is a person only on the percentage of brain developed. What about those that have brains that do not have consciousness, ie: Coma.

Or underdeveloped brains?

So you dont argure that both of them are crimes, just that one may be worse than the other.
 
So when does the owner ship of the child not become the mothers?
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Who cares, sometimes you can take morality way too far, abortion=killing a baby. Whatever doesnt matter, if you dont want it you can say no to it.
 
Fat Tony! said:
Who cares, sometimes you can take morality way too far, abortion=killing a baby. Whatever doesnt matter, if you dont want it you can say no to it.
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So an innocent child pays the cost of a mothers self-centered choice.
 
Yeah well it hasn't experienced the world and hasnt got any real consiousness. I mean can you remember when you were born? Didnt think so. So in the end it doesnt matter
 
Yakuza said:
So a person is a person only on the percentage of brain developed. What about those that have brains that do not have consciousness, ie: Coma.

Or underdeveloped brains?

So you dont argure that both of them are crimes, just that one may be worse than the other.
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He doesn't mean that the baby is not human if the brain is underdeveloped or only partially developed... but still active.

I think he means that, for about the first 10 weeks (I'd have to look it up... it's been a while since I studied fetal development) of pregnancy, the brain has not actually been turned on yet. The organs are almost formed, but they do not work. The fetus is being kept alive solely by the mother. It has no thoughts, no pain, no consciousness, not even the most basic/automatic functions of the brain (like breathing and pumping the heart) have started... unlike someone in a coma or someone that has an underdeveloped brain. At that point, the fetus is just a baby-shaped clump of cells. At that point, it is no more alive than a plant.

I'm still undecided on abortion... but I think that's what he meant.
 
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