Actual chemical weapons found in Iraq!!!

[waedoe]

Ummm no one was going to allow this to happen, and even so it wouldn't have been to save face in the rest of the world. I think preventing the death of more innocents and american troops is pretty important too. If patriotism means accepting without question the call to send your friends, sons, and daughters to fight and die, then i'm the most unpatriotic bastard you will ever meet.

Let me tell you something. When you join a army branch, nave branch, etc. You have no life. Your General Issue military grade weapondry. all you are is a tool, to shoot ur gun. have you noticed how when they report casualties, they report numbers and not names. You have no life when ur in the military, i cant stress this enough. Your a tool not a person.

 

[clarky003]

lets end this thread here, its not important, i can state this you can state that, but what you nor I belive really matters, it just gives us an illusion of truth, the only man who knows whats going on right now is GWB himself

 

[waedoe]

lets end this thread here, its not important, i can state this you can state that, but what you nor I belive really matters, it just gives us an illusion of truth, the only man who knows whats going on right now is GWB himself

More philosopical crap. Your so parinoid to just relize it black and white! WHERE THIER WMD's FOUND? YES = GWB didnt lie. Relize that hes correct and your wrong. now go back to your corner and stfu bitch.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Look again, Do you know for 100% certainty that is how the people felt about it? The culture there is a brutal one, this is all these people have known their whole lives, and yes they deserve better. But are they really willing to change? You can't see nor can I but I feel like your trying to twist my words here, I'm not glorifying murder, rape, and oppression that is the exact opposite of how I feel. I am however trying to plead others to be open minded, and its not really working so :cheers: I know I wouldn't want to live under that kind of tyranical rule, and deep down i'm sure no one wants to. But if china came to liberate us from our "freedom hating government" (which would be their words not mine) would you agree with everything they had to say?

I don't mean to twist your words, not at all. Sorry if it seemed like it. Anyway, you're right, I don't know 100%...but I have a fairly good idea about it. I just think evidence of them partying in the streets, men shaving beards, and women removing veils was evidence of them having awaited the change for a long time. But, I don't know that for sure.

 

[clarky003]

Let me tell you something. When you join a army branch, nave branch, etc. You have no life. Your General Issue military grade weapondry. all you are is a tool, to shoot ur gun. have you noticed how when they report casualties, they report numbers and not names. You have no life when ur in the military, i cant stress this enough. Your a tool not a person.

i feel for you there, it obviously hard. youve obviously had some experiance, but please dont let it influence too strongly and inhibit your thought, being biased doesnt make for good conversation. and i can very much tell everyone is emotional to some degree about this,

 

[Korgoth]

Let me tell you something. When you join a army branch, nave branch, etc. You have no life. Your General Issue military grade weapondry. all you are is a tool, to shoot ur gun. have you noticed how when they report casualties, they report numbers and not names. You have no life when ur in the military, i cant stress this enough. Your a tool not a person.

Well they may be numders to some but they are people to me, i have two very close friends in the armed services, one in iraq right now. I care about him, I want to see him again, I don't think he should be there in the first place if there is even a shadow of a doubt that this war could have been fabricated or unjust. He volunteered his life to the military, but i'll be damned if he's gonna get killed to line the pockets of some fat cats, or settle a family feud for bush.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

its not philosophical crap, its the stem, the essence of cause. and its certainly not as shallow as that statement, what your talking about is short term salvation, im looking at long term, which in general is far more important

Are you suggesting we sacrifice the dignity, and innocent peope of another country, to preserve an image?

 

[clarky003]

More philosopical crap. Your so parinoid to just relize it black and white! WHERE THIER WMD's FOUND? YES = GWB didnt lie. Relize that hes correct and your wrong. now go back to your corner and stfu bitch

lol :rolling: now theres no need for this folks. someone needs to report this guy to a moderator, keep you language and emotion down, , i didnt say he did lie, the evidence just weighs against him, thats all, being as the whole truth isnt there and many things dont add up

 

[Korgoth]

I don't mean to twist your words, not at all. Sorry if it seemed like it. Anyway, you're right, I don't know 100%...but I have a fairly good idea about it. I just think evidence of them partying in the streets, men shaving beards, and women removing veils was evidence of them having awaited the change for a long time. But, I don't know that for sure.

Its kinda funny because we both actually agree here. I'm pretty sure the people welcomed the change. And I'm happy for those people, they deserve as much. I was just lobbying for open mindedness (as i said earlier) I didn't mean that i thought they didn't want to be changed, but who knows for sure? Not me.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

More philosopical crap. Your so parinoid to just relize it black and white! WHERE THIER WMD's FOUND? YES = GWB didnt lie. Relize that hes correct and your wrong. now go back to your corner and stfu bitch.

Waedoe, you've made some good points in this argument, but please keep the language and hostility down. I really don't want this thread to be closed, I'm really enjoying talking with all of you.

 

[Korgoth]

lol :rolling: now theres no need for this folks. someone needs to report this guy to a moderator, keep you language and emotion down, , i didnt say he did lie, the evidence just weighs against him, thats all

Yeah those comments are way out of line, to resort to name calling just provokes more name calling, and so far this debate has been pretty civil. The pouncing has commenced I suppose, huh clarky?

I would like to reiterate what ghostvalk said, lets keep this civil because i'm enjoying the conversation

 

[clarky003]

'its only time before someone cracks', the beliefs are strong with this one, hmm yess, (yoda) lol

< enjoying peoples opinions too, it strives hope into our minds. really hope i havnt depressed anyone with my oil comments, but i do not intend too, mearly just stating the facts addressing pointers that need to be addressed in or to circumvent events by acting early

 

[Korgoth]

lol yup, but hopefully it'll stay sane for a while longer, and more people start coming in. I think we should start a conspiracies thread clarky, i'd be interested to see what kind of theories people have, and maybe share some websites. If nothing else, they are a good read

 

[Direwolf]

Waedoe: The vast majority of the time that casualties are listed as numbers, it is not in the interest of making the loss impersonal or unimportant. It is usually done so that the military has time to inform the families of the deceased, without them having to read it in the paper first.

 

[waedoe]

lol :rolling: now theres no need for this folks. someone needs to report this guy to a moderator, keep you language and emotion down, , i didnt say he did lie, the evidence just weighs against him, thats all, being as the whole truth isnt there and many things dont add up

What are you talking about. The evidence weighs in against the UN and everyone who dissagreed with bush. everyone says where are teh WMD's, well they were in saddams ass. we found them now people are still like wtf bush wtf are you talking about CHEMICAL GASSES cant kill people thier not WMD's, even though they were put on teh ban list. I DONT UNDERSTAND WTF is going on. there is no argument. just relize like ive been saying that bush was right and your well your left, and wrong :cheers:

 

[clarky003]

agreed Innervision id really like that, i like a good read, but nothing too obscure,

look for elaborate looking ones, there most likely to have truths behind them

 

[Korgoth]

nail on the head direwolf. A lot of the times, its more of a respect thing also. Even if the family already knows, they may not want to be reminded everytime they turn on the tv.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Waedoe: The vast majority of the time that casualties are listed as numbers, it is not in the interest of making the loss impersonal or unimportant. It is usually done so that the military has time to inform the families of the deceased, without them having to read it in the paper first.

God, I hope my parents never get an American flag from the NAVY. That would crush them.

 

[clarky003]

WTF is going on. there is no argument. just relize like ive been saying that bush was right and your well your left, and wrong

theres no argument in your case because we are all being quite friendly, and your churning out these Biased opinions.
psst, your not a trigger happy person by any chance?

 

[waedoe]

Waedoe: The vast majority of the time that casualties are listed as numbers, it is not in the interest of making the loss impersonal or unimportant. It is usually done so that the military has time to inform the families of the deceased, without them having to read it in the paper first.

the point im trying to make though is your just another TOOL for the US, your life rly means nothing to higher command. your value is based on how many kills you chalk. Any ways basically like i said before you life isnt yours in teh militaries, just like the M-16 the soldier holds isnt rly his, its US government property. have u knoticed in court cases, that when a post man/ women is murdered, the murder is more than if u killed a regular person. Its because thier apart of the fedral government. now im not saying that the post man has no life, but he or she is partially considered US government property.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

theres no argument in your case because we are all being quite friendly, and your churning out these Biased opinions.

I don't think his opinions being biased matters, so please don't attack that. He could do the same to you, Innervision and I could do the same to eachother. Now, let's just drop mentioning biased...okay?

 

[clarky003]

attack .. who said attack.. lol sorry im on edge , all this talk of war.. ok biased is a bad word. but still lets use neutral instead ,

 

[waedoe]

theres no argument in your case because we are all being quite friendly, and your churning out these Biased opinions.

BIAS WHAT OMG. u supplied me the fact. the title even says it. LET ME ASK YOU WERE CHEMICAL WEAPONS BANNED FROM SADDAM? YES THEY WERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE WAR IN IRAQ IS JUSTIFIED, BUSH DIDNT LIE, AND EVERYONE WHO DISSAGREED WITH BUSH IS WRONG, AND SHOULD APOLOGIZE.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

the point im trying to make though is your just another TOOL for the US, your life rly means nothing to higher command. your value is based on how many kills you chalk. Any ways basically like i said before you life isnt yours in teh militaries, just like the M-16 the soldier holds isnt rly his, its US government property. have u knoticed in court cases, that when a post man/ women is murdered, the murder is more than if u killed a regular person. Its because thier apart of the fedral government. now im not saying that the post man has no life, but he or she is partially considered US government property.

I'm Government property. It's strange.
You have this feeling that you're more important than before, yet you're part of something so large you'll have to strive your hardest to be recognized...
Which I plan to.

 

[Direwolf]

This thread is starting to take a downward turn.....I'd recommend a close eye.

 

[waedoe]

I'm Government property. It's strange.
You have this feeling that you're more important than before, yet you're part of something so large you'll have to strive your hardest to be recognized...
Which I plan to.

are you being starcastic or are you agreeing?

 

[GhostValkyrie]

are you being starcastic or are you agreeing?

I'm agreeing.
I'm in the NAVY.

 

[clarky003]

waedoe when one day people give up there individuality and search for the complete truth, and right for it... then on that day they can apologise to him, but till then,,. thats not happening, and thats the truth :cheers:

 

[Korgoth]

Waedoe go back and re read the first page and whatever articles are included. The found items were buried underground, unusable, and american made and sold to saddam by us during the iran iraq war.

 

[clarky003]

Innervision, how many people are sitting in the dark on this information, some people blindly follow and dont care for facts, we wont change his mind, but somhow I think ive pissed him off a bit,, woops... not intended

 

[waedoe]

Waedoe go back and re read the first page and whatever articles are included. The found items were buried underground, unusable, and american made and sold to saddam by us during the iran iraq war.

ok then wtf is the point of this thread? whats the debate

 

[clarky003]

exploring the possibilities of the universal truth behind all this mess, thats the point,(conversations develope and deviate from the general topic,, sorry).. but some people have already made there mind up.

 

[el Chi]

1. save the philisopical crap for another time.

they make george bush a truthful president

1. Philosophy is not crap. There is a moral side to this argument (you even mention that yourself) that must be taken into consideration. Morals are a philosophical issue.
2. George W. Bush IS a liar. He IS a dictator. He IS a war-mongerer.

As a side-note, that Britain and the US are after Saddam's WMDs (if he indeed has them) is hugely ironic seeing as we're the ones who sold them to him in the first place. dictators are only bad when they won't comply with us. How very convenient.

 

[Korgoth]

Still the same debate, nothing has really changed dude. Yeah I know clarky, I just like the debate
No need to try and change peoples mind. Just enlighten each other as to why the other thinks the way they do.

 

[clarky003]

El chi says what were all thinking, , but some peoples brains are in 'obey' mode

 

[waedoe]

1. Philosophy is not crap. There is a moral side to this argument (you even mention that yourself) that must be taken into consideration. Morals are a philosophical issue.
2. George W. Bush IS a liar. He IS a dictator. He IS a war-mongerer.

As a side-note, that Britain and the US are after Saddam's WMDs (if he indeed has them) is hugely ironic seeing as we're the ones who sold them to him in the first place. dictators are only bad when they won't comply with us. How very convenient.

hows GWB a dictator? he doesnt kill 99% of his compition. mainly because he has none (LAUGHS MY *&^#ING ASS OFF AT DEAN) and his people have free choice. let me tell you, we would all be killed or atleast you because your anti bush if he were a dictator. secondly, how is he a war monger. plz dont blantantly say shit and run and hide, back your crap up.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

El chi says what were all thinking, , but some peoples brains are in 'obey' mode

Are you saying that because I believe the war was justified, that I am in obey mode? Which even then I cannot offer rebuttle. If the next president gives an order I don't like, I'll have to do it...unless it's opening fire on civilians, which I will never ever do.

 

[waedoe]

Are you saying that because I believe the war was justified, that I am in obey mode? Which even then I cannot offer rebuttle. If the next president give an order I don't like, I'll have to do it...unless it's opening fire on civilians, which I will never ever do.

you'll never have the chance to shoot civies even if you were ordered too, your in the navy.

 

[clarky003]

lol id like to see him kill a country's populace 20 fold of Iraq's.. unrealstic talk. killing people doesnt make you a dictator, it helps alot though,, , he does rule through some fear, 'watch out for terrorist attacks', in the future, theres no denieing that words like that dont scare people a fraction, not much reasurance speech going on after statements like that either

 

[LoneDeranger]

I think somebody is mistaking the word "dictator" for "strong leader"

There is a difference.