Alan Wake is Vista exclusive!!!

[B_MAN]

looks like i'll be getting it for 360 then...

 

[Lucid]

I take it that by OEM you mean Vista Home Basic?

 

[destrukt]

Too bad all other older games blow on vista. So looks like you will need 2 different PCs to play new games and old games. Thanks Microsoft.

Okay, could you please prove that ALL older games blow on Vista ? Because, you know, I've been playing OpenGL games, SCUMM-engine games, Dos games via DosBox and a ton of other games some of which are over 10 years old perfectly fine on Vista.

Do older games suck on Vista for some people because of bad drivers ? Yup, and do some old games simply not work, yup, but not too many (At least for others I know and myself so far). Oh, and 'old' is a keyword there.

vista ultimate consume 800MB of memory.... to run next gen / this gen games without any lag to the system you need extra 2GB free and ready.

Educate yourself, please.

- Ultimate, memory usage wise, is no real different from other versions so stop saying 'Vista Ultimate' to try and sound epic.
- Vista doesn't 'consume 800MB' - please educate yourself, start here.
- Vista turns off Aero [Glass] as soon as you start a game, there is no real performance decrease from using Vista if there are decent drivers available.

And so on . .

With BootMagic or similar software. Both OS like to be the only OS, so you need something like Boot Magic to make them play nice.

Err, what you're [trying] to say is silly. You do not need a third-party app to have them play nicely.

Vista and XP play nicely when you install Vista, I mean, when you install Vista and you have XP on another HDD/partition it detects it and adds it to the bootlist. What's so hard about that ? Also, there are the free programs which allow you to [easily] edit the new bootloader and add everything from Linux to OSX86. o_0

My reason for not getting is because of older games not working properly and because of DRM.

The DRM thing is pretty stupid unless you won't buy a 360, PS3, Wii, iPod, use iTunes and a ton of other things. Yes, Vista has DRM but if you don't actually use DRM'd content there it is of no effect to you.



Point out the bad things about Vista, of which there are many, or the things you do not like but please, don't say stupid things or act like you actually know something when you don't. ^_____^

Oh, and you can get Vista cheap in so many ways such as OEM, upgrade version (Most people would be applicable for this), student version, through uni/school/whatever, with a new PC, choose a version for you instead of seeing Ultimate and going "LOLEXPEN$IVE," and so on.

<3

 

[Gray Fox]

Gunner, what exactly is the difference from the OEM and non-OEM. If by OEM you mean pre-installed on your machine?


For me, based on my experience, there is no way I'd ever go without a full set of OS discs to re-install it completely .... for when (not if) you get a "nuke it from orbit" problem.


Or an upgrade package or what? Then you have to install the older OS first, before it will let you upgrade it, which, with XP, takes about an hour at least.

I plan to dual boot XP and Vista, so I'm not sure that I'd be able to upgrade 1 copy of XP, while still having a working copy of XP on the same PC, then adding Vista?

... would definitely at least need a separate partition/hard drive.

Could be complicated/not possible.

OEM simply means the vista install is tied to your motherboards, thats it. OEM comes on a disc and can me installed numerous times after a total format.

 

[Gray Fox]

The DRM thing is pretty stupid unless you won't buy a 360, PS3, Wii, iPod, use iTunes and a ton of other things. Yes, Vista has DRM but if you don't actually use DRM'd content there it is of no effect to you.



Point out the bad things about Vista, of which there are many, or the things you do not like but please, don't say stupid things or act like you actually know something when you don't. ^_____^

Oh, and you can get Vista cheap in so many ways such as OEM, upgrade version (Most people would be applicable for this), student version, through uni/school/whatever, with a new PC, choose a version for you instead of seeing Ultimate and going "LOLEXPEN$IVE," and so on.

<3

Vista's DRM does affect you even if you do not use DRM content, in fact it affects you, the hardware manufacturers, software manufacturers, and the stability of you system intensively even if you do not use any DRM content. So please read this and educate yourself.

 

[Gorgon]

I have Vista Ultimate and it's using 485mb, and I could still even turn off programs in the background if I wanted to conserve more memory. I currently have a gig of RAM, so that measn I have 515mb free, which is more than the Xbox360's 512 by a hair. I'm also at one of the min spec systems, so you should have 2GB if you want to run some of the next-gen games. Yes, that is also using the fanciest effects Vista has to offer... Jesus you have your "facts" way wrong.

On top of that, when you go into games, it disables all of the fancy effects so it frees up a _ton_ of memory and CPU time. In previous versions of Windows, GDI+ can't quickly offload and reload everything, and keeps taking up memory that could be used by the game. That's not so in Vista thanks to it using DirectX now.

you are right about tweaking vista to free up more memory. I want you to fire up BF2142 or BF2 which they both consums up to 1.3GB of memory. play for a while, then go back to desktop.

For my point of view and other gamers who got 2GB memory and using Vista x32 x64 bit ultimate it takes around 15-40 seconds to shut down BF2.exe because 2GB not enough for both vista OS and the game. Normarly it takes 2 seconds on XP pro with 2GB memory to shut it down. yes 2 Seconds.

 

[destrukt]

Vista's DRM does affect you even if you do not use DRM content, in fact it affects you, the hardware manufacturers, software manufacturers, and the stability of you system intensively even if you do not use any DRM content. So please read this and educate yourself.

That report is full of so many inaccuracies, the guy admitted he hadn't used Vista, a lot of it are simply his assumptions, etc.

I'm somewhat surprised people are still throwing that link around.

 

[Gunner]

Gunner, what exactly is the difference from the OEM and non-OEM. If by OEM you mean pre-installed on your machine?


For me, based on my experience, there is no way I'd ever go without a full set of OS discs to re-install it completely .... for when (not if) you get a "nuke it from orbit" problem.


Or an upgrade package or what? Then you have to install the older OS first, before it will let you upgrade it, which, with XP, takes about an hour at least.

I plan to dual boot XP and Vista, so I'm not sure that I'd be able to upgrade 1 copy of XP, while still having a working copy of XP on the same PC, then adding Vista?

... would definitely at least need a separate partition/hard drive.

Could be complicated/not possible.

Nah man with OEM you still get the disc and the cdkey. You just don't get a manual and you're not entitled to support from microsoft. People say that with OEM versions your installation of windows would lockup if you changed anything hardware wise in your pc, but I also read that there are ways to work around that too. Costs 90$ for the vista basic OEM on newegg. I got basic because it's affordable and I don't need all the other stuff they put in the other versions.

Edit: Gorgon please don't use BF2 as a benchmark for anything, BF2 demands a lot of ram and video ram on high settings not because OMFG it's so beautiful but because it was poorly optimized.

 

[Kyorisu]

To clear up the confusion OEM copies are sold to system builders. I could go into town and buy an OEM edition of Home or whatever at a reduced price to the normal versions. The condition on the box is "only to be sold with a computer system".

 

[Stigmata]

Nah man with OEM you still get the disc and the cdkey. You just don't get a manual and you're not entitled to support from microsoft. People say that with OEM versions your installation of windows would lockup if you changed anything hardware wise in your pc, but I also read that there are ways to work around that too. Costs 90$ for the vista basic OEM on newegg. I got basic because it's affordable and I don't need all the other stuff they put in the other versions.

Also, beware that even updating your BIOS will make Windows think you've changed the motherboard. I had to call up MS and explain to a tech guy in India, for FIVE MINUTES, the difference between upgrading BIOS and changing the physical motherboard.

OEM is fine though.

 

[VirusType2]

And so on . .
Err, what you're [trying] to say is silly. You do not need a third-party app to have them play nicely.

Vista and XP play nicely when you install Vista, I mean, when you install Vista and you have XP on another HDD/partition it detects it and adds it to the bootlist. What's so hard about that ? Also, there are the free programs which allow you to [easily] edit the new bootloader and add everything from Linux to OSX86. o_0

<3

Well, I'm just going by what my brother schooled me on when I was asking him about it.

He is a programmer for the Windows XP, Vista, Mac OSX, and Linux platforms, so he has various tricks to boot all of them. I'm sure there is something to what he was saying.


My brother was saying something about windows XP being glitchy and not loading after installing Vista sometimes. He said you can see it - it's in the folders right where you left it. Anyway, he highly recommended the Partition Magic and Bootmagic software.

However, just because he is a programmer, doesn't mean he doesn't do things wrong and make errors like any of us though, plus I'm describing from what I vaguely remember. Your results may vary. It doesn't sound like you have both of them installed though, so I'd like to hear from people that do.

But I don't know about you, but I don't ever want to have my OS not boot.


I haven't seen any free bootloaders that claim to work with Vista, though honestly I haven't looked very hard. All the ones I saw don't mention supporting Vista.


I just don't want to go through a bunch of junk, so I'm worried about it.

 

[destrukt]

I'm calling BS on everything your brother has said and the whole "My x is a y who works for z" makes you look completely ridiculous on the internets whether it's true or not. I booted into XP when Nvidia's drivers sucked on Vista to play CS 1.6 and some other games and I never once ran into any problems and XP was exactly the same as pre-Vista install and I have never once heard of any problems with XP being 'changed' after installing Vista.

There's Acronis, GRUB and a ton of other popular bootloaders that support Vista and have for quite awhile, hell, I think you can even boot into Vista using the XP bootloader but I may have to double-check that. I have GRUB installed on my HDD with Ubuntu and when I boot GRUB goes straight into Vista (So if my family uses this PC they don't freak out) but there is a 2 second countdown to choose Ubuntu or whatever else I may have in GRUB. I sincerely doubt you will run into any problems if you have XP installed on a HDD/partition and you install Vista on another HDD/partition.

There's just a stigma attached to anyone who says anything like that (The whole I know someone who blah blah), sorry. ;(

Also, beware that even updating your BIOS will make Windows think you've changed the motherboard. I had to call up MS and explain to a tech guy in India, for FIVE MINUTES, the difference between upgrading BIOS and changing the physical motherboard.

Weird as I've updated my motherboard like > 5 times (GA-P965-S3, I think I'm on the F10 bios now ) and never had to reactivate on XP or Vista.

 

[Kyorisu]

I haven't seen any free bootloaders that claim to work with Vista, though honestly I haven't looked very hard. All the ones I saw don't mention supporting Vista.

LILO or GRUB go nuts. Your brothers a programmer pfft I'm a developer.

 

[VirusType2]

Thanks for assuring me that Vista and Xp can both be installed Destrukt, but don't insinuate that I'm a liar. I don't think it's unbelievable that a relative of mine makes his living using computers... And I don't think mentioning it when it's relevant makes me look ridiculous, but I could be wrong.

Either way I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear you say that.

My brother is a legend in some areas of personal computing, having been doing programing and working the internet since before most of you guys were born, and been featured in magazines, movies, newspapers, radio talk shows, and everything related for his various talents, and if it isn't obvious I hold him in high esteem and am really proud of him.

I get really defensive too, as he was like a father or role model my entire life since my dad wasn't around, so don't even think about calling him a noob!

You will hear about it though if he gets a job at Pixar though!

LILO or GRUB go nuts. Your brothers a programmer pfft I'm a developer.

cool, I'll try one of them, thanks.

 

[Kyorisu]

But yes XP and Vista work fine together I don't see how one could possibly effect the other unless you managed to install them on the same partition.

 

[Stigmata]

Would there be any conflicts if one were to install XP 32-bit on one drive and Vista 64-bit on another?

 

[Kyorisu]

I don't see how they don't interact with each other at all past the boot loader which itself can't do anything either.

 

[Planetary]

This thread's pretty funny. I don't know what all the fuss is about, because I hadn't heard of this game until I read this thread.
Sometimes it's pretty nice to live under a rock.

It's not as if this sort of thing is new, anyway. They're laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Krynn72]

Ignorance is bliss eh?

And they're laughing all the way to the bank with someone else's money, because i aint buying either piece of software now.

 

[Vegeta897]

Boycotting is so 2006.

 

[destrukt]

Thanks for assuring me that Vista and Xp can both be installed Destrukt, but don't insinuate that I'm a liar. I don't think it's unbelievable that a relative of mine makes his living using computers... And I don't think mentioning it when it's relevant makes me look ridiculous, but I could be wrong.

Either way I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear you say that.

My brother is a legend in some areas of personal computing, having been doing programing and working the internet since before most of you guys were born, and been featured in magazines, movies, newspapers, radio talk shows, and everything related for his various talents, and if it isn't obvious I hold him in high esteem and am really proud of him.

I get really defensive too, as he was like a father or role model my entire life since my dad wasn't around, so don't even think about calling him a noob!

You will hear about it though if he gets a job at Pixar though!



cool, I'll try one of them, thanks.

Not saying you're a liar just that saying "I know x who .." just makes you sound like you're making things up, kind of like that kid from when you were younger who used to always say "Well, my dad works for x and he has the secret y which isn't out yet." So, you very well could have some famous brother but whether he is/isn't doesn't change that what he said is wrong or it's simply an accidental/honest mistake by you in trying to convey what he said to us on the interwebs.

What's your brothers name ? /loads up search engine

 

[VirusType2]

"Well, my dad works for x and he has the secret y which isn't out yet."

Thats my other older brother who works on top secret/classified stuff for the government (I'm serious)

So, you very well could have some famous brother but whether he is/isn't doesn't change that what he said is wrong or it's simply an accidental/honest mistake

well, he isn't famous, more like, for example, how a guy who is the narrator of some of the National Geographic episodes might have very limited fame.

For example, my brother attached a video camera to his R/C helicopter to do some filming for National Geographic, just as one of his various accomplishments.

What's your brothers name ? /loads up search engine

peter hirschberg

in google, try the first few pages first. (BE AWARE THERE IS ANOTHER PETER HIRSCHBERG WHO DOES A LOT OF POLITICS - Thats NOT him - same name though)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=peter+hirschberg&btnG=Google+Search

his website
www.peterhirschberg.com

 

[Gargantou]

VirusType2, my father met John Lennon on several occassions as a freelance journalist!(I'm serious too!)

 

[Narcolepsy]

Jim Morrison is my cousin. Really.

 

[VirusType2]

I guess I see your point Destrukt, you never know when people are screwing with you, or are telling the truth.

For example, my uncle, before he retired, used to be one of the United States president's bodyguards - one of the guys who's job is to jump in front of the bullet if necessary.

Something interesting possibly worth bragging about, it doesn't really matter that I'm telling the truth, it's something that would be a great deal of trouble to prove even within reasonable doubt on the internet. You could show proof, but with the resources of the internet, anyone could come up with photos of just about anything.

 

[Sparta]

Yeah i met and had lunch with Michael Jordan back in 1999. I'm not joking either.

Really.

No really, i have a signed jersey with a photo of me and him having lunch beneath it, hanging on my wall right next to me, at this very second.

 

[Gunner]

Yeah i met and had lunch with Michael Jordan back in 1999. I'm not joking either.

Really.

No really, i have a signed jersey with a photo of me and him having lunch beneath it, hanging on my wall right next to me, at this very second.

I believe you because I was the waiter that served your lunch that afternoon.

 

[Kyorisu]

And I was the Chef that made that lunch.

 

[Stigmata]

And I had sex with the wife of the chef that made your lunch.

 

[Kyorisu]

You bastard.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

And I was disguised as the wife you thought you were having sex with.

 

[Stigmata]

You bastard.

 

[destrukt]

Thats my other older brother who works on top secret/classified stuff for the government (I'm serious)

well, he isn't famous, more like, for example, how a guy who is the narrator of some of the National Geographic episodes might have very limited fame.

For example, my brother attached a video camera to his R/C helicopter to do some filming for National Geographic, just as one of his various accomplishments.

peter hirschberg

in google, try the first few pages first. (BE AWARE THERE IS ANOTHER PETER HIRSCHBERG WHO DOES A LOT OF POLITICS - Thats NOT him - same name though)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=peter+hirschberg&btnG=Google+Search

his website
www.peterhirschberg.com

He has some pretty cool little projects on there (Unfortunately the portfolio part is down) and I now believe that you have a brother. Oh, I can tell webdesign isn't one his skills, hah.

I guess I see your point Destrukt, you never know when people are screwing with you, or are telling the truth.

Something interesting possibly worth bragging about, it doesn't really matter that I'm telling the truth, it's something that would be a great deal of trouble to prove even within reasonable doubt on the internet. You could show proof, but with the resources of the internet, anyone could come up with photos of just about anything.

Yeah, it's nothing to do with you just that any information presented that 'way' on the internet looks very suspicious.

Unless I know the person or have read their posts over a decent amount of time I generally don't believe them straight away.

 

[Gargantou]

For example, my uncle, before he retired, used to be one of the United States president's bodyguards - one of the guys who's job is to jump in front of the bullet if necessary.

Sure he was!
And I'm President Putin's Bastard Son, but don't tell anyone!

 

[destrukt]

And I'm President Putin's Bastard Son, but don't tell anyone!

That might not be something to be proud of. :rolling:

 

[Gargantou]

Are you making a mockery of my genetical heritage? I find this highly insulting, I challenge you to a duel at dawn, Sir!

 

[Tagaziel]

Thanks Remedy, **** you too then.

 

[-Psy-]

I am Bin Laden. I hide on the internetz in virtual form. I'm the one who sends you those emails about penis enlargement.

 

[Insano]

I am Bin Laden. I hide on the internetz in virtual form. I'm the one who sends you those emails about penis enlargement.

This means I'm supporting terrorism by clicking them?

 

[Sparta]

Yeah i met and had lunch with Michael Jordan back in 1999. I'm not joking either.

Really.

No really, i have a signed jersey with a photo of me and him having lunch beneath it, hanging on my wall right next to me, at this very second.

I believe you because I was the waiter that served your lunch that afternoon.

And I was the Chef that made that lunch.

And I had sex with the wife of the chef that made your lunch.

And I was disguised as the wife you thought you were having sex with.

No really, i met and had lunch with Michael Jordan back in 1999 and i have his signed jersey with a photo of him signing it, hanging on the wall next to me, as i'm typing this right now.



Good Game gentlemen. Good game.