All i want to say is: screw you valve

[mayro]

You know i would say lets ask valve on this, but out of the like 15 emails ive sent them all i get is cob webs in my email.

 

[eraser]

Sorry, but where can I watch those interviews?

Here . http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halflife2/index.html

 

[Kadayi]

Sorry, but where can I watch those interviews?

Try gamespot, they have some video interviews there.

 

[Non-Sequitur]

So if you aren't referring to the beta, how exactly are you coming to your conclusions, what facts are you using? Please explain your means of deduction? I'll add in a few factual titbits for you to consider along the way as I have the beta as a reference:-

1) The beta has working AI.

2)The beta has working physics.

3)The beta contains a lot more than just the E3 levels.

4)There are pre E3 ingame screenshots that exist that show game levels that aren't contained in the beta.

Explain away :dozey:

1] You call that crap in the beta working AI? It definitely doesn't live up to what Valve claimed it would do {Traptown... but let's not get into one of these arguments about scripting}

2) There were quite a few problems with the physics that would crash you to desktop... that would be unacceptable in the full version... I'm sure they would have still had problems with it in September. There was a guy from another game company (may have been from the Stalker team) who recently said they were working out some tough physics problems that Valve would be struggling with as well.

3} I doubt all of the levels were completed by September 30... and if they were, Valve is only holding the game back at so Steam is ready when they release it. Someone wants to make more money.

4} Great, but how did you come to the conclusion that all the levels were complete on Sept 30? If that isn't what you're insinuating, I'm not sure what we're arguing about.

 

[mbrithoms]

You've seen screens, where as I actually have the the beta? Whose in a better position to judge? The E3 levels in the beta are inconsistent with those show at E3 in certain respects and lack certain elements that are clearly in the movies. If you had the beta you would know that it clearly pre dates the E3 by some considerable time. The only one who 'lied' (to use such quaint infantile terminology) is ANON about what he had, the 'beta' should really be called the 'alpha' to give it a more accurate description.

It boggles my mind to think that people continue to believe the word of a guy who actually hacked Valve and maliciously released the actual game engine source code onto the net. I'm not referring to the 'beta' here (that came after), I'm referring to the proprietary engine code, which contains all of the programming work that Valve have put into the source engine.

Incidently, it's 'they are' or 'they're' not 'there'

yeah man hit me where it hurts, grammar! a splendid argument against the beta date, very well done indeed

The only one who 'lied' (to use such quaint infantile terminology)

'lied' is infantile terminology? sorry what would you prefer I say 'stretched the truth'? 'talking bullsh*t'? or maybe the likes of you would be more comfortable with 'terminological inexactitude' see I can speak fancy as well mate but I dont really feel the need to use watered down phrases, do yourself a favour go buy a large car with an even larger hood ornament sounds like you need it.

You've seen screens, where as I actually have the the beta?

well done you win the worst statement to use here used as an argument award, sorry I dont support piracy

the 'beta' should really be called the 'alpha' to give it a more accurate description.

oh Im sorry forgive me, I had no idea you were a stolen build professional analyser

If you had the beta you would know that it clearly pre dates the E3 by some considerable time.

again I am terribly sorry, <sarcasm>I didnt realise that you did provide the most extensive evidence of this in your post</sarcasm>

where as I actually have the the beta?

oh for the record, thats a statement and shouldnt be followed by a question mark! oh dear god the humanity

 

[Kadayi]

1] You call that crap in the beta working AI? It definitely doesn't live up to what Valve claimed it would do {Traptown... but let's not get into one of these arguments about scripting}

2) There were quite a few problems with the physics that would crash you to desktop... that would be unacceptable in the full version... I'm sure they would have still had problems with it in September. There was a guy from another game company (may have been from the Stalker team) who recently said they were working out some tough physics problems that Valve would be struggling with as well.

LOL, your answers show you haven't looked at the beta first hand, your simply tagging what you've read elsewhere. There is working AI on several levels, and I've yet to encounter crashing to desktop using the physics. So some guy unquoted, who may of been from another games company speculates that because he struggles with something (like putting on his pants or wiping his ass), that Valve naturally have. Hmm, you've convinced me there, but why not post a weblink to this 'source' for everyone else to peruse?

3} I doubt all of the levels were completed by September 30... and if they were, Valve is only holding the game back at so Steam is ready when they release it. Someone wants to make more money.

You doubt? Earlier on you were certain, now you doubt? Then you blame steam? Surely steam doesn't enter the equation if the game isn't complete in the first place? Seems like you don't really know whether your coming or going, with your arguments.

4} Great, but how did you come to the conclusion that all the levels were complete on Sept 30? If that isn't what you're insinuating, I'm not sure what we're arguing about.

If the game was never ever going to be completed by the 30th, why would Valve give that date? And why would they maintain that date despite the fact they knew they were never going to make it ? What's the motive? Let's discount immature and naive theories about pissing off the 'HL² community' or the 'Fans' here, I want some solid reasoning here, prerferably that doesn't include the terms 'lied'. If you can formulate a bullet proof answer, then you've succeeded where countless others have failed. :dozey:

 

[Kadayi]

Yadda Yadda Yadda

Why so bitter? You should be grateful, I handed you your ass and gave you a spelling lesson as a freebie. Some people :hmph:

 

[Foxtrot]

I was refering to the video interviews on gamespot.

 

[Foxtrot]

Also I didn't mean to insult Gabe Newell about his weight, just pointing out how much he gained from HL2. I have the "beta" of HL2 and a lot of the levels aren't working and all the e3 levels aren't either, I think it is the hackers fualt.

 

[clarky003]

lol, Beta leak this , Beta leak that, cough ,,, Alpha.

 

[mayro]

Why dont we just say it like it is people... why is the game almost delayed a YEAR if it was almost done? Dont listen to the crap that people put out... im sorry but if you have people play testing and saying that your game is done WHY IN GODS NAME MUST WE WAIT A YEAR! To HECK with STEAM and to HECK with Cs ZERO.

Me being pissed aside...

I want some awsners, will i get them no! Why? Becuase valve likes ..... you know i must be a really messed up person for a game to have this big of impact on my life..... and on all our lives... look at us for the love of god..... we are posting on a web form trying to get a company give us awnsers as to why they keep screwing us....

So on that note... Sorry for bugging you valve team keep up the good work. I look forward to playing your game-after- Doom 3, painkiller, stalker and far cry.

 

[Foxtrot]

They are not screwing us...and I am sure we could get an answer if we ask them in a chat or somthing. Or just go to www.gamespot.com and watch the interviews.

 

[mayro]

Get this guys.... on eb.... the thing that is now "atleast i didnt know of it before" that will be bundeld with CZ is.... EXclusive movies of Half-life 2! ohhh... wont that make me want to buy the 4 year old garbage.

 

[Triggerhappy41]

1. One word. STEAM 1.

2. Condition Zero.

3. HL2 was no where near finished, and definitely not up to the standard that the E3 videos promised.

Valve put one over us all.

End of discussion.

i agree with everything but CZ. Valve didnt develop it.

 

[Imrahil]

Just think about how great Half-Life 2 will be with that extra year of development! It will be simply amazing! Everything will be perfected!

Imrahil

 

[Xenome]

It was delayed a year because they had to rewrite a part of the code i think, to prevent cheating. ( due to the leak)

 

[Glo]

you all got it wrong..
HL2 was delayed because it was too good compared to other games out there.
valve had to wait few months untill companies try to reach their level. they also deleted some features to make the game less revolutionary.

 

[wonkers]

Yes, and if you think there are no genetic factors in weight gain... then you can join the ranks of "stupid people".

Um...Like I stated in my post there is now way a genetic factor results in a person gaining "super energy" from food. I just lost my patience, it's weak willed genetic blaming fat bastards who make me so angry.

Food in = energy out. extra energy = energy stored

If you mean that someone may have a genetic tendency to over eat you may be right. But if you think that they get overweight easier than anyone else your completly wrong. Life style life style life style. God damn fat people always looking for a way out.

I suck at math but do I blame someone else for it. NO

 

[Foxtrot]

My friend eats A LOT and he is little less than 6 feet tall and he weighs about 110 pounds. He use to work at some restaurant and would eat dinner their then go home and eat dinner there and sometimes he would stop at mcdonalds and eat there on his way home.

 

[Max35]

I'm sure they'll gladly take your money... they do need to survive. That's usually why people go to work. That's the driving force behind businesses. I'm sure if Gabe told everyone at Valve tomorrow that HL2 was going to be a charity game, and no money would be made after its release, no one would come back to work on it the next day. I assure you.

They're spending this much time on the game so their product is better than the competitors, so they get YOUR money. It sems to be a pretty good tactic, and hell, they've somehow fooled you into thinking they're doing it for "the greater good" or something...

Just because you love doing something, doesn't mean you want to do it for free for the rest of your life. OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!. You wouldn't work in a law firm for $8.00 an hour and say "I love my job", but you would sure as hell change your tune if you were getting paid $300 an hour, wouldn't you?. The only place were I would work for free is hooters, too bad I'm a guy and I can't.....

 

[Non-Sequitur]

LOL, your answers show you haven't looked at the beta first hand, your simply tagging what you've read elsewhere. There is working AI on several levels, and I've yet to encounter crashing to desktop using the physics.

I'm not buying the game if the physics and "AI" in the "beta" is what we get... Oh, and I did have the beta. It's not that hard to get... Anyone with packetnews, mirc and DSL can have the beta in under a day... I can see sources for it right now, and they've been there since Sept, when I had the beta. I bet you had to buy it off someone though. You sound like you have a superiority complex about owning the beta...

You doubt? Earlier on you were certain, now you doubt? Then you blame steam? Surely steam doesn't enter the equation if the game isn't complete in the first place? Seems like you don't really know whether your coming or going, with your arguments.

Gabe said, "We simply weren't finished". That's where I gleaned my nuggets of information from... And there is NO WAY Steam was ready back in Sept... If you can't see that... you're an idiot. That's why Valve has made deals to get extra bandwidth and hired the bittorrent creator to help them out with some problems.

If the game was never ever going to be completed by the 30th, why would Valve give that date? And why would they maintain that date despite the fact they knew they were never going to make it ? What's the motive? Let's discount immature and naive theories about pissing off the 'HL² community' or the 'Fans' here, I want some solid reasoning here, prerferably that doesn't include the terms 'lied'. If you can formulate a bullet proof answer, then you've succeeded where countless others have failed. :dozey:

"We simply weren't finished." They weren't finished... they never were going to hit that date... and here we are in Feburary without the game. All I ever said was that neither Steam or HL2 were ready. THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T. I don't know what you're trying to argue here?

 

[ComradeBadger]

Lets stop with the discussion of Gabe's weight. It's not fair, and I think it's rather childish. Plus keep the flames to a minimum.. ok?

 

[frances_farmer]

Um...Like I stated in my post there is now way a genetic factor results in a person gaining "super energy" from food. I just lost my patience, it's weak willed genetic blaming fat bastards who make me so angry.

Food in = energy out. extra energy = energy stored

If you mean that someone may have a genetic tendency to over eat you may be right. But if you think that they get overweight easier than anyone else your completly wrong. Life style life style life style. God damn fat people always looking for a way out.

I suck at math but do I blame someone else for it. NO

Some people have Lesions on their Hypothalamus which causes them feel like they're still hungry when infact, if they were normal, they should be feeling full.

Since the 1940s, scientists have known that the hypothalamus played a key role in regulating food intake and body weight. In these classic experiments with rats, lesions in one part of the hypothalamus created massively obese rats. Lesions in another part of the hypothalamus blocked the urge to eat and even caused death by starvation. However, the lack of understanding of the genes for controlling body weight regulation inhibited significant further progress. Nearly five years ago, Jeffrey Friedman MD, PhD, a professor at Rockefeller University, New York, and his research group rejuvenated the field. They discovered that the hormone leptin is made by fat cells and is a crucial signal to the brain to control eating. Suddenly there was hope for finding new ways to control eating disorders, obesity, and related disorders, such as diabetes. Research support and the number of scientists in the field increased dramatically.

Leptin Related to Body Fat

In the body, leptin comes from fat cells in direct proportion to the amount of stored energy. Thicker thighs, flabbier arms and a bigger belly mean more leptin is circulating in the blood stream. Studies in both people and animals have shown that lack of leptin triggers a voracious appetite. When leptin levels return to normal, the urge to eat goes away. Until recently, the responsible pathways in the brain were unclear.

Last year, postdoctoral fellow Elias and her colleagues identified the pathway between the two parts of the hypothalamus that apparently linked leptin to eating. The new study tells how that pathway may work.

The point of all this is that genetics can also predispose certain people to becoming fat at a biological level. But also, although I've only given you one example, there are many many factors which can effect someones weight. So although for most people in America obesity is simply caused by leading an unhealthy diet, you still shouldn't jump to conlcusions.

 

[herbster]

Peopl, I hate to be a stick in the tofu here, but this is screw valve, not screw valve. He cannot be solely blamed for the drastic delay of HL2. I also say we end this feud on the role of genetics in weight gain. Go and talk on some weight warchers forum about that. It really isnt our bussiness about Gabes weight, he doesnt come here to complain about how your a bunch of sulky, impatient and arrogant bastards.

No insult to those of you who show some amount of maturity in these forums. We all have the right to complain, but some of you take it too far.

 

[herbster]

sorry, im stupid. this is not screw gabe. my mistake.

 

[Stormy]

i never even thought about his weight before i mean thb who cares, what diffence it make to you. especily when most of you live on the other side of the world

 

[Foxtrot]

I noticed his weight because he had gained so much from before HL2 and to now. Just shows he is putting in a lot of work.

 

[Kadayi]

They weren't finished... they never were going to hit that date... and here we are in Feburary without the game. All I ever said was that neither Steam or HL2 were ready. THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T. I don't know what you're trying to argue here?

If they were never going to hit that date then why maintain it, when the product was never going to be ready? It really is no biggie for a games company to announce a delay, its expected, so what is the motive for not announcing it earlier in the year, if they were never ever going to hit the 30th? That is the question I asked before and you still haven't answered it.

Steam delivery problems aren't really a legitimate reason to delay, because delays cost money and even if it was fully operational, 95% of the purchases are still going to come from out of box sales.

 

[Non-Sequitur]

If they were never going to hit that date then why maintain it, when the product was never going to be ready? It really is no biggie for a games company to announce a delay, its expected, so what is the motive for not announcing it earlier in the year, if they were never ever going to hit the 30th? That is the question I asked before and you still haven't answered it.
.

I never claimed to know that... All I gave were reasons why it was delayed.

 

[Kadayi]

I never claimed to know that... All I gave were reasons why it was delayed.

Without an understanding of motive there is no reason, only assumption.

 

[Non-Sequitur]

Without an understanding of motive there is no reason, only assumption.

What are you on about? Do you know something I don't? If Steam was ready and HL2 was complete, why the hell did they delay? I'm still not sure what you're talking about because all I'm saying is neither were ready at the time. I have no idea why they stuck to that date, and I'm not even going to speculate...

 

[Foxtrot]

Probably multiplayer, I don't even remember them metioning multiplayer before October, and the multiplayer in the leaked build doesn't even work.

 

[Kadayi]

I have no idea why they stuck to that date, and I'm not even going to speculate...

Why not? You must have some thoughts on the subject surely? Indulge us,
Justify your love :dozey:

 

[Non-Sequitur]

Why not? You must have some thoughts on the subject surely? Indulge us,
Justify your love :dozey:

I think Valve are really aliens and they're here for our used socks... The HL2 videos and release date were just a distraction.

Come on, what do you want me to say? Something about a deal with ATI or... what? :bonce:

 

[wonkers]

Seperating the Glitter from the Friggen Facts

The first thing is, the leaked code and art was outdated when it was stolen and can't even come close to giving us an idea what happened. It's stolen. [PERIOD] and we can not be sure that it's the best they had. Personaly I think that it was just a peice of scarp that someone was messing with. The fact that most of it doesn't work is because whoever was using it didn't need to compile all the code to make a game. It all could be junk art that they kept around for back up perposes. [[IT DOESN'T REFLECT THEIR PROGRESS]]

Valve knew they couldn't release the game on Sept. 30 2003. If people around their are intellegent enough to program they are smart enough to know how far they are done. What we don't know is exactly when Valve knew they had been compromised. It's only speculation but Valve could have release all the bink vids as a counter measure to take the hurt out of the stolen art & code. Further more their is legal issues which we know nothing about. Valve could have been sued to bankruptcy for leaking the info to the new engine. Think about the drop in Value of that Havok engine if you just gave all the hackers & crackers a years headstart.

It's like having the plans to your prototype super weapon air dropped and mass produced for your enemy. Although they may have been 70% done on HL2 I think that the makers of havok would demand that Valve rework the code. As well as Valve changing their own stuff. I don't think this is the only reason for the delay but it's a major setback [NO IF's AND's OR BUT's ] They need to remake their game. they need to add new stuff and polish the game. They needed to fix the relationship with ATI & Nvidia, they needed to work things out with Vivendi. They need to make all of the promotional artwork and concepts. Then they need be sure that this game won't be hacked and cracked in the first month.

What if they released the game to have it Hacked in the first week, or even the first month. Talk about insult to injury. It's true that we havn't heard a damn thing about Multiplayer. I am glad we didn't because I don't want the "aimbot" makers to get any headstarts. I think they are spending all their time making this thing bullet proof instead of releasing a shakey peice of software.

WHAT ABOUT STEAM? I hope you realise how secure they need to make that system. It's going to have a limitless number of copies of HL2 on it. Every glory hacker with a gaming backround will be trying to break in their and steal the game. Not to mention the flood of people who will buy the physical game then try to crack it.

There is a lot people don't think of. This game is valuable, and it's hard to protect, fix, and make great along with making us dumb monkeys happy.

sorry for the really long rant

 

[Kadayi]

Come on, what do you want me to say? Something about a deal with ATI or... what? :bonce:

There is a certain legitimacy to the date being kept for the purposes of tying in with the ATI card launch. However if the game was a dramatically incomplete as people speculate, then Valve would of clearly informed ATI some time prior to the event.

Personally I think it is all a matter of satisfaction. Valve maintained the shipping date well beyond the point by which you would normally announce a delay if the games completion wasn't going to hit the ETA. I'd say the game was complete, and the reason for the delay comes down to Valves dissatisfaction with certain aspects of the final product. They famously pulled the shipping of HL¹ back a year very late in it's development, they also pulled the release of CS:CZ because of the early criticisms by reviewers in order to get turtle studios to address it shortcomings. They have a clear history of putting the quality of the product before deadlines.

 

[Non-Sequitur]

Personally I think it is all a matter of satisfaction. Valve maintained the shipping date well beyond the point by which you would normally announce a delay if the games completion wasn't going to hit the ETA. I'd say the game was complete, and the reason for the delay comes down to Valves dissatisfaction with certain aspects of the final product. They famously pulled the shipping of HL¹ back a year very late in it's development, they also pulled the release of CS:CZ because of the early criticisms by reviewers in order to get turtle studios to address it shortcomings. They have a clear history of putting the quality of the product before deadlines.

Then why the hell don't they just tell the community that? "We weren't satisfied with the quality of the product, so we decided to delay it until we're happy with it." I'd imagine that would have evoked a greater deal of positive responses than what is floating around now. As I mentioned before... look at the title of this thread. Heh.

Gabe just said... "It wasn't finished." And then media blackout.

 

[Kadayi]

Wonkers

If the havok engine code was stolen as well as the source code from Valve then havok would simply claim predicted losses on their company insurance. All this talk of 'havok sues valve' was something dreamt up by sensationalist websites. Valve have also confirmed in the Valve says thread that the game still uses the havok engine.

 

[Dougy]

bf:vietnam is coming round the corner (march 19th) and i probably joining college before Hl2 is out so i couldnt realy care less right now.

if Hl2 ever comes out ill buy it but i still think Valve have screwed this up royal.

They didnt just drop the ball, they dropped it and there pants fell down and every1 saw their tiny d*ck.

(Penny arcade readers should recognise the last bit)

 

[Kadayi]

Then why the hell don't they just tell the community that? "We weren't satisfied with the quality of the product, so we decided to delay it until we're happy with it." I'd imagine that would have evoked a greater deal of positive responses than what is floating around now. As I mentioned before... look at the title of this thread. Heh.

Gabe just said... "It wasn't finished." And then media blackout.

Q: How longs a piece of string?

A: As long as you want it.

Its all a matter of perception.