America.....full of dangerous thinking people?

[Mr-Fusion]

Yes America sucks.

Yes it's full of weirdos and dumbasses.

Yes this is having a bad effect on the world.

Thread over. Attempting to argue any of these points will result in failure.

 

[Cole]

Yes it's full of weirdos and dumbasses.

How's that any different from any where else?

 

[Stigmata]

How's that any different from any where else?

Because unlike other places, America is full of them

 

[Beerdude26]

I don't advocate military intervention with such countries, but attempts at education. And while I previously stated that even those with college degrees in such countries can still harbor insanely murderous ideals, I think the issue lies less with the amount of education and more with what they're being educated about, namely the application of critical thinking skills when it comes to superstitious religious beliefs.

There we go. K thread closed, solution has been found

 

[repiV]

I think the better question would be what tremendous technological and scientific advances place the US ahead of, say, Japan.

Japan is up there with America, make no mistake. I would argue, however, that American intervention post-WWII is somewhat responsible for this.

Then, once you've listed those, you can surely number which of those contributions were made by fundamentalist christians.
After all, the entire point of your argument is to "prove" that christianity can't be too objectionable, isn't it?
Because christians build stuff, they aren't as bad as muslims, so shut up about it, right?

As I already said, I'm not really talking about the religions in this case. I'm talking about the whole societies.
There are a couple of successful Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, but they're not Arabic. Arabic culture and Malaysian culture is a world apart.
The entire point of my argument is to prove that, all things considered, the Middle East is a useless waste of space and the USA is generally a pretty cool (but currently troubled) country.

It's fun to call a fifth of the planet inferior and all, but you should get some perspective on the issue.
The middle east, in general, is not as stupid and inept as you suppose they are. They simply lack the economic and political stability required for innovation to occur.
It's basically what happened after Rome fell in Eurpope. You get specialization instead of innovation, and that specialization includes specialization at religion.

Isn't the fact that, despite sitting on top of all that oil that the world's biggest economies are all too eager to shell out for, there is still little economic and political stability in the Middle East, a case against the region in itself?

And, remember, that I have effectively proven that - if you are a believer - the better you are at understanding a holy text, the more likely you are to participate in a crusade. Or jihad, in this case.
Muslims are not inferior in terms of thought power. They simply focus all their power on the maintenance of tradition over the quest for innovation.

I disagree. Average IQ differs wildly between nations. It's highest in East Asia (Hong Kong has 107, Japan 104, Singapore and Taiwan 103 etc...even China with all its problems has an average IQ of 100). Then Western countries typically sit around the 92-100 mark, sub-Saharan Africa is way down in the 50-70s and Arab countries are somewhere in between those two.
However, even if they weren't inferior in terms of thought power, they could still be stupid and inept. Case in point: Solaris. He's obviously a very intelligent and capable chap (130+ IQ I would say), but he's still ****ing stupid.

The same goes for christians in america. Those who refuse to give up the bible for secularism are slowly but steadily losing political power in the face of rationality. They're still in power, make no mistake, but they understand that they are losing power. Every violent movie and videogame that sells big, and every person wearing a condom proves that they're losing their grip on the public consciousness.

So what do they do when they know they're losing? The exact thing that the various religions of the middle east are doing: falling back and becoming experts at tradition, while cutting back on innovation. Still, as I have said in the past, christian fundamentalist aren't stupid either. They are tremendously adept, perhaps brilliant, at being horribly wrong.
Examples:
Stem Cell Research, Evolution, Birth Control, etc.

So, to sum up, you are being terribly inaccurate in comparing the United States to the amorphous brown blob you call the mid-east.
More accurately, you should compare the innovations made by christians with those made by islamic folks and finally compare both with those made by scientists.

Spoiler: science wins, because in terms of limiting technological progress, christianity and islam are equally terrible ideologies.

How many Arabic scientists are there...and how many Western/East Asian/Indian ones?
Also, I don't even have to look it up to know that there are a lot more successful Christian scientists out there than Islamic ones.

 

[Absinthe]

Who cares? Successful Christian scientists are successful in spite of their Christianity.

 

[CptStern]

lol good point

 

[repiV]

Who cares? Successful Christian scientists are successful in spite of their Christianity.

Quite obviously.
Not too many people are successful in spite of their Islam, but many of the world's greatest figures and millions of others are/were successful in spite of their Christianity. Which says something about Christianity being significantly less shit.

 

[CptStern]

yes cassius clay became an utter failure once he converted to islam ..as is Dave Chappelle, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, and Salman Rushdie ..all unsuccessful due to their faith

 

[Absinthe]

It says something about how Christianity has been watered down to allow secular scientific progress.

If we were still burning heretics and stoning adulterers, I imagine things would be quite different.

 

[repiV]

yes cassius clay became an utter failure once he converted to islam ..as is Dave Chappelle, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, and Salman Rushdie ..all unsuccessful due to their faith

You had to really think about that before giving me a small handful of names didn't you?

The Islamic contribution to humanity

It says something about how Christianity has been watered down to allow secular scientific progress.

If we were still burning heretics and stoning adulterers, I imagine things would be quite different.

Yes, but we're not. That's exactly what they're doing in the Middle East, though. The only difference between the Middle East and 11th century Europe is that the Middle East has access to all of our scientific progress and has to co-exist with our far more advanced society.

 

[CptStern]

You had to really think about that before giving me a small handful of names didn't you?

nope, that was from the top of my head

The Islamic contribution to humanity

lol you do like to push jewish superiority ..the irony escapes you it seems

 

[repiV]

You had to really think about that before giving me a small handful of names didn't you?


nope, that was from the top of my head

The Islamic contribution to humanity

lol you do like to push jewish superiority ..the irony escapes you it seems

Where's the irony? Evidently, the Jewish are superior. By a factor of about 1000, in terms of their contributions to the human race comparative to the number of them.
Are you going to deny the facts as presented?

 

[Absinthe]

Yes, but we're not. That's exactly what they're doing in the Middle East, though. The only difference between the Middle East and 11th century Europe is that the Middle East has access to all of our scientific progress and has to co-exist with our far more advanced society.

Okay, but you were chalking this up Christianity being "less shit". My point is that our advancements are due to an absence of Christian faith, not because it's fundamentally better than Islam.

 

[repiV]

Okay, but you were chalking this up Christianity being "less shit". My point is that our advancements are due to an absence of Christian faith, not because it's fundamentally better than Islam.

Christianity allows for the absence of itself, or the watered down version of itself, much moreso than Islam does. Islam, which decress that there shall be no more prophets after Mohammed, which mandates Sharia law, which was always spread by the sword instead of the missionary...is more dogmatic and unalterable.

 

[CptStern]

Where's the irony? Evidently, the Jewish are superior. By a factor of about 1000, in terms of their contributions to the human race comparative to the number of them.
Are you going to deny the facts as presented?

why because they were award a prize in their respective fields?

Stanley "Tookie" Williams was nominated for a nobel prize while still on death row

Yasser Arafat also won a nobel prize but I guess you'll just discount them as being "contributors to humaity"

President Roosevelt was awarded the nobel peace prize despite brutally suppressing philipinos during the american occupation

Philipp Lenard was chief of Aryan Physics under the Nazis who won the nobel prize in physics

Cordell Hull winner of the nobel peace prize was a rabid anti-semite

Egas Moniz winner of the nobel prize for medicine was the originator of the frontal lobotomy ..which was used in mentally handicapped patients

Henry A. Kissinger, nobel prize winner helped nazis escape into the US ...despite being jewish

 

[repiV]

why because they were award a prize in their respective fields?

Yes, believe it or not, nobel prizes are usually awarded to people who make outstanding contributions to humanity.

Stanley "Tookie" Williams was nominated for a nobel prize while still on death row

Yasser Arafat also won a nobel prize but I guess you'll just discount them as being "contributors to humaity"

Yasser Arafat, the man of peace.

Biggest load of shit ever.

Although if you think a couple of examples invalidates the whole nobel prize and somehow proves that Jews are no more useful to the world than Muslims, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[CptStern]

Yes, believe it or not, nobel prizes are usually awarded to people who make outstanding contributions to humanity.

like Philipp Lenard, Chief of Aryan Physics for the Nazis, or Cordell Hull anti-semite?

Yasser Arafat, the man of peace.

Biggest load of shit ever.

Although if you think a couple of examples invalidates the whole nobel prize and somehow proves that Jews are no more useful to the world than Muslims, you're sadly mistaken.

yes because only you in your delusional state would ever link those things together :upstare:

 

[repiV]

like Philipp Lenard, Chief of Aryan Physics for the Nazis, or Cordell Hull anti-semite?

Phillip Lenard won the nobel prize for his work on cathode rays, so yes, he qualifies as having made an outstanding contribution to humanity.
Cordell Hull won the prize for establishing the United Nations. What the **** does his anti-semitism have to do with it? Nothing!

yes because only you in your delusional state would ever link those things together :upstare:

Obviously, the amount of nobel prizes attributable to a section of civilisation is no indicator of their worth at all.
Seriously, where do you dream this sack of shit up?

 

[Aenama]

why because they were award a prize in their respective fields?

Stanley "Tookie" Williams was nominated for a nobel prize while still on death row

Yasser Arafat also won a nobel prize but I guess you'll just discount them as being "contributors to humaity"

President Roosevelt was awarded the nobel peace prize despite brutally suppressing philipinos during the american occupation

Philipp Lenard was chief of Aryan Physics under the Nazis who won the nobel prize in physics

Cordell Hull winner of the nobel peace prize was a rabid anti-semite

Egas Moniz winner of the nobel prize for medicine was the originator of the frontal lobotomy ..which was used in mentally handicapped patients

Henry A. Kissinger, nobel prize winner helped nazis escape into the US ...despite being jewish

I was stupid,now I now what you ment to say.

 

[CptStern]

Phillip Lenard won the nobel prize for his work on cathode rays, so yes, he qualifies as having made an outstanding contribution to humanity.
Cordell Hull won the prize for establishing the United Nations. What the **** does his anti-semitism have to do with it? Nothing!

yet you laughed at Yasser arafat's win (which was shared by Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin, no less)

Obviously, the amount of nobel prizes attributable to a section of civilisation is no indicator of their worth at all.

yet you keep telling us it is ..what's it going to be chappy?

Seriously, where do you dream this sack of shit up?

you provide the impetus, you tell me

 

[repiV]

yet you laughed at Yasser arafat's win (which was shared by Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin, no less)

Yes, he won the nobel prize for being a man of peace which is nothing but a lie.

yet you keep telling us it is ..what's it going to be chappy?

I was clearly being sarcastic - are you really that bad at interpreting people?
I'm inclined to think you have mild autism or something...it would explain your singleminded focus on the evil USA.

you provide the impetus, you tell me

 

[DaMaN]

Obviously, the amount of nobel prizes attributable to a section of civilisation is no indicator of their worth at all.
Seriously, where do you dream this sack of shit up?

Have you taken into consideration any contributions BEFORE the Nobel prize was cooked up?

What about the fact that that portion of the world was one of the first to develop writing? The first university? Some of the first mathematics, sciences, laws, and philosophies?

Or do those not count?

Seriously, why are you judging the "worthiness of a civilization/society" based on their contributions in one small time slice? (For that matter, what of the future?)

How does one judge the true "worth" of any group of people?

 

[CptStern]

Yes, he won the nobel prize for being a man of peace which is nothing but a lie.

of course it is, because you say so .....

I was clearly being sarcastic

funny, you're the last person I'd ever guess would have anything even remotely resembling a sense of humour

- are you really that bad at interpreting people?
I'm inclined to think you have mild autism or something...it would explain your singleminded focus on the evil USA.

ah layman diagnosis dontcha just love them? autism is usually typified by various indicators, fixation on a single issue not being one of them; that's purely behavioural and is often a learned condition ...stimming on particular stimuli sure but not as you suggest

 

[repiV]

Have you taken into consideration any contributions BEFORE the Nobel prize was cooked up?

What about the fact that that portion of the world was one of the first to develop writing? The first university? Some of the first mathematics, sciences, laws, and philosophies?

Or do those not count?

Seriously, why are you judging the "worthiness of a civilization/society" based on their contributions in one small time slice? (For that matter, what of the future?)

How does one judge the true "worth" of any group of people?

How is what they did hundreds of years ago even remotely relevant? We live in the year 2007.

 

[repiV]

of course it is, because you say so .....

funny, you're the last person I'd ever guess would have anything even remotely resembling a sense of humour

Only because you're not fun or interesting enough to joke around with.

ah layman diagnosis dontcha just love them? autism is usually typified by various indicators, fixation on a single issue not being one of them; that's purely behavioural and is often a learned condition ...stimming on particular stimuli sure but not as you suggest

Obsession is a classic trait of autism, as I think I would know, as my brother is autistic.

 

[CptStern]

Only because you're not fun or interesting enough to joke around with.

lol, and you are? ...I'm sure the majority of people here can attest to how humourous your constant posts on the evils of islam are ..golly gee whiz you sure is funny :upstare: ..at least I have more to say then the same tired regurgitated one note song and dance

Obsession is a classic trait of autism, as I think I would know, as my brother is autistic.

and? he's typical of autistic people everywhere? my wife is a Applied Behavioral Analysis therapist for children with autism, I myself was a teacher at a school for mentally handicappend children ..at least half of our students were autistic ..including two of my students ..they couldnt be more dissimiliar

 

[jverne]

How is what they did hundreds of years ago even remotely relevant? We live in the year 2007.

for science sakes! that's like the most stupid answer i heard this week!

if it weren't for them in the past we'd be 500 years behind. The arabs preserved greek and roman culture and kept it safe before the christian church.

they are having a bad century or two.

how can you be so narrow minded, it's like saying you are a complete ignorant dipshit, based only on this post you just made and not taking into account everything else. it doesn't sound to fair does it?!

 

[repiV]

lol, and you are? ...I'm sure the majority of people here can attest to how humourous your constant posts on the evils of islam are ..golly gee whiz you sure is funny :upstare: ..at least I have more to say then the same tired regurgitated one note song and dance

You don't have more to say than the same tired regurgitated one note song and dance. That's exactly what makes you so uninteresting, I could basically write your posts for you. You don't have a balanced view of any situation, all you do is criticise the USA and defend the Middle East.
Even Solaris makes an interesting point on occassion, but you just constantly argue anything that portrays the US as wrong and their enemies as right, no matter how illogical or ludicrous your arguments are.
And you can't even use proper grammar or spelling whilst doing it.
Moreover, I must have missed the small print that says the politics forum is for being funny.

and? he's typical of autistic people everywhere? my wife is a Applied Behavioral Analysis therapist for children with autism, I myself was a teacher at a school for mentally handicappend children ..at least half of our students were autistic ..including two of my students ..they couldnt be more dissimiliar

Whether or not he's typical is irrelevant, obsession is a classic trait of autism.

 

[repiV]

for science sakes! that's like the most stupid answer i heard this week!

if it weren't for them in the past we'd be 500 years behind. The arabs preserved greek and roman culture and kept it safe before the christian church.

they are having a bad century or two.

how can you be so narrow minded, it's like saying you are a complete ignorant dipshit, based only on this post you just made and not taking into account everything else. it doesn't sound to fair does it?!

Bad century or two? England in the 1600's was a lot more civilised and advanced than the Middle East is today.
So what if "it wasn't for them", what are they doing for us NOW? What have they done for us lately? NOTHING. They cause nothing but disaster.

 

[CptStern]

You don't have more to say than the same tired regurgitated one note song and dance. That's exactly what makes you so uninteresting, I could basically write your posts for you.

well had you ever bothered to venture outside of the politics area you'd see I have lots to talk about

You don't have a balanced view of any situation, all you do is criticise the USA and defend the Middle East.

please provide examples of where I've defended the middle east ..oh and US deserves all the criticism it gets: they illegally invaded and occupy a country on false pretenses ..not my fault you cant see the forst for the trees

Even Solaris makes an interesting point on occassion, but you just constantly argue anything that portrays the US as wrong and their enemies as right, no matter how illogical or ludicrous your arguments are.

yet you can never seem to make any points stick whenever we get into a debate

And you can't even use proper grammar or spelling whilst doing it.

oh dear lord shoot me now! there's grammar/spelling mistakes afoot

Moreover, I must have missed the small print that says the politics forum is for being funny.

that's just it, you never venture outside of the politics forum for me to find out ..which is odd considering this is a gaming forum ...game much?

Whether or not he's typical is irrelevant, obsession is a classic trait of autism.

nope, stimming is ..obession is learned behaviour ..stimming and obsession not the same thing

 

[repiV]

well had you ever bothered to venture outside of the politics area you'd see I have lots to talk about

I do venture outside of the politics area. In fact, I've made more threads in the offtopic forum than I have here.

please provide examples of where I've defended the middle east ..oh and US deserves all the criticism it gets: they illegally invaded and occupy a country on false pretenses ..not my fault you cant see the forst for the trees

You defend it by refusing to allocate any blame to the ME for their part in any problems - the US is always wholly responsible. Tiresome. And incorrect.

yet you can never seem to make any points stick whenever we get into a debate

Debating with you is like flogging a dead horse, anyway...I've never seen you concede that anyone opposing you has ever had a good point.

oh dear lord shoot me now! there's grammar/spelling mistakes afoot



that's just it, you never venture outside of the politics forum for me to find out ..which is odd considering this is a gaming forum ...game much?

I used to play games for hours on end, but I don't really have time anymore. It's a shame actually, I miss competitive gaming.

nope, stimming is ..obession is learned behaviour ..stimming and obsession not the same thing

I've never heard of the term "stimming".

 

[CptStern]

I do venture outside of the politics area. In fact, I've made more threads in the offtopic forum than I have here.

which isnt saying much because you've made what 8 threads in total? ..there's more to hl2.net than politics and off topic

You defend it by refusing to allocate any blame to the ME for their part in any problems

of course not, because the ME isnt reponsible as a whole

- the US is always wholly responsible. Tiresome. And incorrect.

yet you never seem to prove me wrong ..and yes when it comes to Iraq the US is responsible for opening that particular can of worms

Debating with you is like flogging a dead horse, anyway...I've never seen you concede that anyone opposing you has ever had a good point.

you havent been here long enough, I've conceded on more than one occasion ..see the difference between you and I is that I can recognize when I'm wrong

I used to play games for hours on end, but I don't really have time anymore. It's a shame actually, I miss competitive gaming.

scrabble, monopoly, risk are great games but I was referring to video games

I've never heard of the term "stimming".

of course you havent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming

it's compulsive behaviour

 

[Kadayi]

Where's the irony? Evidently, the Jewish are superior. By a factor of about 1000, in terms of their contributions to the human race comparative to the number of them. Are you going to deny the facts as presented?

Do they carry some form of special Jew gene that makes them superior to the Arabs and Christians? Is there some form of yardstick upon which to measure racial success? A Wiki link perhaps?

 

[repiV]

which isnt saying much because you've made what 8 threads in total? ..there's more to hl2.net than politics and off topic

Yeah, but I got here somewhat after HL2 was worth talking about.

of course not, because the ME isnt reponsible as a whole

The USA certainly isn't the cause of the Middle East's problems.

yet you never seem to prove me wrong ..and yes when it comes to Iraq the US is responsible for opening that particular can of worms

Yes, they're responsible for opening the can of worms but they're not responsible when terrorists blow up shopping centres - strangely enough, terrorists are. Terrorists are also responsible for the ongoing bloodshed which they are instigating.

you havent been here long enough, I've conceded on more than one occasion ..see the difference between you and I is that I can recognize when I'm wrong

Oh, I can recognise when I'm wrong, and I'm not wrong when it comes to the Middle East.

scrabble, monopoly, risk are great games but I was referring to video games

Yes, so was I. I used to be a gaming addict. Played Quake III at a high level some years ago...I used to play for at least five hours a day. More recently I clanned for Quake IV, but these days I just don't have the time to commit. I've only just completed NWN2 and I got it months ago.

of course you havent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming

it's compulsive behaviour

Okay.

 

[repiV]

Do they carry some form of special Jew gene that makes them superior to the Arabs and Christians? Is there some form of yardstick upon which to measure racial success? A Wiki link perhaps?

Special Jew gene? No. They just have a far superior society that raises far more intelligent and educated people than in the Arabic world.

 

[Kadayi]

Special Jew gene? No. They just have a far superior society that raises far more intelligent and educated people than in the Arabic world.

And how exactly is it superior? What is so inherent within it that it qualifies as superior?

 

[repiV]

And how exactly is it superior? What is so inherent within it that it qualifies as superior?

Their focus on education and critical thinking? Their funny beards? You tell me, the proof is in the results - Jews accomplish lots, Muslims accomplish little.

 

[Ome_Vince]

I must have had a bit too many beers, did i just see you claim Jews were superior because of the % of jews vs their contribution ratio compared to muslims ?
Its like reversed Nazism, so just like with any skinhead, perhaps: the number of jews, their position in the world (mostly in extremely wealthy and/or secular nations) compared to the billions of Christians/Muslims spread around poor-wealthy countries, has anything to do with this????

 

[Kadayi]

You tell me

You've made a claim, I've asked you for evidence to support it. It's not for me to find that evidence, it's for you to support your position. So far you've provided nothing. For something to be adjudged superior to something else, there has to exist some quantifiable means of measurement.