American soldiers crushing iraqi car

bias doesnt show through when you see a five year old iraqi boy (girl?) with his head blown off (it's in the link)
 
Bah, The one thing that I try and keep hold of when entering this kind of discussion lends from what Farrowlesparrow said.


And that is that we have to remember that we are all human and essentialy all the same, no matter where we come from. And everyone has the potential to do the things those people did. It all depends on what you were brought up to believe and how you were brought up to behave.



I aint making a whole lot of sence in these posts. But I hope you get the general idea.
 
Hasan noone has generalised anyone more than anyone else. Its either you are subconciously seeing what you want or you just want to make everyone believe that the Americans are bad.

They are doing a job, and most of them are doing it properly. Just because you get a few idiots, doesn't mean they have "looted the country". You wanted to give a nice soundbite but it isnt based in fact.

Bias shows through in anything, no matter how clear cut it seems. Every little thing affects our opinion some how and everyone we are shown does. Im sure there have been instances where American soldiers have clothed and fed small children...

Everyone is an individual and we all make our own choices for whatever reason. Just because its the Army, sadly doesnt mean a few sick people will get in. But dont say that America, President bush and the US army are bad because of them.
 
"man, these guys 'looted' wood? well, the US Army looted a whole country damit! Get A grip!"

The US army didnt go into Iraq to destroy it and kill everyone, we went in there to get saddam out, and help re-build iraq (and yes, for oil too). But, its pretty damn hard to rebuild a country when everyone there hates us and wants us out.
 
And it's damn near impossible to extract all American occupation, so I guess we're screwed. Do you think Bush would go into Iraq if he had the chance to do things differently?
 
Hasan noone has generalised anyone more than anyone else.
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And that was exactly the point of my post ....

The US army didnt go into Iraq to destroy it and kill everyone, we went in there to get saddam out, and help re-build iraq
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US went there because they have an agenda, what is it? God knows.
but if you still believe it was to get rid of Saddam and rebuild Iraq then well .. I don't know what to say to you.

and they did destroy it, and they did kill alot of people .. why don't you admit? did they do it or not? they did.
 
jesus, no wonder the war is so unpopular. weve got everyone supporting the wrong side. why, when we run over a car, take some naked pictures of prisoners, whatever... are we such super ****ing villains. but our civilian contracters get their heads cut off to send a message, but people ignore that. im serious some of you people are so damn stupid. we arent needlessly killing. maybe if the ****** insurgents werent so ingrateful to us pimping their oppressive dictator... but no, they are blood thirsty ass savages... except they arent savage, they are asshats who kill civilians. just like we do... oh wait no we dont. you wont see a beheading in america because were a civilized ****ing people.
 
hasan said:
and they did destroy it, and they did kill alot of people .. why don't you admit? did they do it or not? they did.
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i wonder how many people saddam killed.
 
ghost. I supported the war to get saddam out.


But please, shut up. I cant stand all this prejudice!!! And yes it is prejudice. You are generalising a nation because of the few uneducated bastards that are practically brainwashed to believe the west is evil.


So please just shut the hell up.
 
but no, they are blood thirsty ass savages... except they arent savage, they are asshats who kill civilians. just like we do... oh wait no we dont. you wont see a beheading in america because were a civilized ****ing people.
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and here you go .. you just proved that you are a civilized ****ing person :rolleyes:
 
gh0st said:
jesus, no wonder the war is so unpopular. weve got everyone supporting the wrong side. why, when we run over a car, take some naked pictures of prisoners, whatever... are we such super ****ing villains. but our civilian contracters get their heads cut off to send a message, but people ignore that. im serious some of you people are so damn stupid. we arent needlessly killing. maybe if the ****** insurgents werent so ingrateful to us pimping their oppressive dictator... but no, they are blood thirsty ass savages... except they arent savage, they are asshats who kill civilians. just like we do... oh wait no we dont. you wont see a beheading in america because were a civilized ****ing people.
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Exactly, thats exactly what im feeling, i just couldnt put it in words :D . Just to add to that, i now know why saddam has been ruleing them for so many years. Its becuase they deserved him. He knew that these people were crazy and they would blow them selves up and such, and he kept them under control by makeing them scared of him becuase if you they did something bad they would get tortured/killed.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
ghost. I supported the war to get saddam out.


But please, shut up. I cant stand all this prejudice!!! And yes it is prejudice. You are generalising a nation because of the few uneducated bastards that are practically brainwashed to believe the west is evil.


So please just shut the hell up.
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im generalizing insurgents, and stupid born again hippy europeans who think the US is the worst thing ever.. never said anything about iraqi PEOPLE.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
ghost. I supported the war to get saddam out.


But please, shut up. I cant stand all this prejudice!!! And yes it is prejudice. You are generalising a nation because of the few uneducated bastards that are practically brainwashed to believe the west is evil.


So please just shut the hell up.
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Yes, it is prejudice, but you know what, face it, you know its true. Yes, i agree, not all of them are like that, but the majority is. Even if you dont want to believe it becuase being prejudice is wrong, its true.
 
hasan said:
US went there because they have an agenda, what is it? God knows.
but if you still believe it was to get rid of Saddam and rebuild Iraq then well .. I don't know what to say to you.
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How about, "Congratulations, you're reasonable."
 
My god, do you even understand the word insurgent....




Oh and Epyon, if you believe that I vote you get banned for being a racist bastard right this very minute. I cant stand people like you who seem to think that any people would deserve somthing like Saddams regieme just because you dont like what the minority have done.


Oh and I like America. I think its a great country. I am from the UK and I think that the war was right....


The only thing I think is wrong is your attitude.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
My god, do you even understand the word insurgent....




Oh and Epyon, if you believe that I vote you get banned for being a racist bastard right this very minute. I cant stand people like you who seem to think that any people would deserve somthing like Saddams regieme just because you dont like what the minority have done.


Oh and I like America. I think its a great country. I am from the UK and I think that the war was right....

I didnt mean that they deserved his tortureing, i agree of what he did was sick, i mean they deserved him becuase he was able to keep them under control.

The only thing I think is wrong is your attitude.
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I didnt mean that they deserved his tortureing, i agree of what he did was sick, i mean they deserved him becuase he was able to keep them under control.

Edit: Let me add something so you dont get pissed at me again - the "terroist people" deserved his way of controling, the inisint (spelling?) civilians didnt.
 
well I'll tell you something, for over a year, Al-Jazeera has been broadcasting pictures and videos of atrocities done by the US army in iraq, and they were accused of being "liers". well, IMHO pictures don't lie, but hey that doesn't matter, because the American people aren't seeing these pictures so who cares? but now when the amnerican media broadcsted these images, and because the American people saw it, now they apologize and everything ....
Just weeks ago, when everything was happening in Falluja, and all Iraqis getting killed, they were frustrated because Al-Jazeera was almost the only media org. inside the city, broadcasting the events LIVE. Believe it or not, one of the conditions for the truce was that Al-Jazeera correspondent leaves the city.
 
gh0st said:
jesus, no wonder the war is so unpopular. weve got everyone supporting the wrong side. why, when we run over a car, take some naked pictures of prisoners, whatever... are we such super ****ing villains. but our civilian contracters get their heads cut off to send a message, but people ignore that. im serious some of you people are so damn stupid. we arent needlessly killing. maybe if the ****** insurgents werent so ingrateful to us pimping their oppressive dictator... but no, they are blood thirsty ass savages... except they arent savage, they are asshats who kill civilians. just like we do... oh wait no we dont. you wont see a beheading in america because were a civilized ****ing people.
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Ignore what? We aren't ****ing talking about Nick Berg, but Iraqis getting their car run over by a 10 ton tank or whatever. ANd I don't know about you, but I can't see any american civilians getting their heads cut off in this clip do you? Aye, the fanatic islamic animals who done this, deserves to rot up in hell, but that's not the point here. You need to work with your attitude seriously.. You too Epyon, I agree what marksman said...
 
gh0st said:
jesus, no wonder the war is so unpopular. weve got everyone supporting the wrong side. why, when we run over a car, take some naked pictures of prisoners, whatever... are we such super ****ing villains. but our civilian contracters get their heads cut off to send a message, but people ignore that. im serious some of you people are so damn stupid. we arent needlessly killing. maybe if the ****** insurgents werent so ingrateful to us pimping their oppressive dictator... but no, they are blood thirsty ass savages... except they arent savage, they are asshats who kill civilians. just like we do... oh wait no we dont. you wont see a beheading in america because were a civilized ****ing people.
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7000 iraqi civilians died during the actual war...3000 have died since the war was declared "over". Yet you still believe they are there to help? please, and you call us naive?
 
Epyon, I am sorry but you still dont seem to understand.


People are people, it does not matter where you come from. People from different countries do not need someone like sadam to run the country.

How would you like it if he was running your country?
 
Congratulations, you just got quoted twice. Now that must tell you something!
 
What big bad GI's, running over a rusty old car with your badass tank, that'll teach 'em for stealing wood, after all, Bush is so desperate for finding WMD's, that he'll probably claim that these GI's prevented a strike on America with this needless violence.

Goddamn retards, I hope their mothers are proud of 'em, after all, they're protecting the poor Iraqi people, right?
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
Epyon, I am sorry but you still dont seem to understand.


People are people, it does not matter where you come from. People from different countries do not need someone like sadam to run the country.

How would you like it if he was running your country?
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I would be scared shit, yes, and so were the people in iraq felt when they had him as a ruler, but im not someone that would go strap a bomb to my chest, run into a crowd of people and blow my self, once again, i will say, not everyone in iraq is like that, but they are there. How many people in the US will strap a bomb to their chest and do that. Yes, there are a few, but i say there are more in iraq. And it may be sounding like im being racist, in which i am, agaisnt the terroist, not the inicint cilivians. should i love the terroist and give them a big hug? or should i hate them becuase they kill insisnt people.
 
there is an image of a mother with her lifeless toddler in her hands, killed by coalition forces...if that was me I wouldnt hesitate to strap myself with bombs and walk up to the first soldier I saw
 
Well, I'm not trying to defend these terrorists, but that's how they're raised with their religion. The only difference from them and others in a similar situation would be that they blow themselves up in the act while others would stand from a distance with a remote controlled bomb. There'll always be insurgents and rebels, who believes that Saddams regime was good. And thats just how it is.
 
You dont get it still!!!


The people of iraq are not terrorists!!!


Almost all of the attacks on coalition forces have been made by people coming from outside iraq in an attempt to stir up trouble. Hell these terrorists from outside iraq even planted bombs in markets to get people pissed off at the occupation.

This couples with the publication of the few acts of the coalition troops that have acured have made people in iraq very angry. For the most part they are just angry. But there are allways the few that are just plain insane and actually start trouble.




Basically, the people of iraq are not suicide bombers. You are again generalising terrorists with the Iraqi people. Not on purpose I am sure but I think it is more likely that you dont understand the situation.

No offence intended.



God damn i'm tired. I have to go soon.
 
CptStern said:
there is an image of a mother with her lifeless toddler in her hands, killed by coalition forces...if that was me I wouldnt hesitate to strap myself with bombs and walk up to the first soldier I saw
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How about the picture of the dead us soldiers that have been shot, stabed, burned, and hung by the feet and then later hit by the other "terrosit" with a stick. Would you strap a bomb and kill those guys? or is it only if a US Soldier kills a Iraqi civiliian, or a baby as it happens to be in this case. And yes, mind you, i do believe that both of these acts were very wrong.
 
Epyon said:
How about the picture of the dead us soldiers that have been shot, stabed, burned, and hung by the feet and then later hit by the other "terrosit" with a stick. Would you strap a bomb and kill those guys? or is it only if a US Soldier kills a Iraqi civiliian, or a baby as it happens to be in this case. And yes, mind you, i do believe that both of these acts were very wrong.
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If my buddy were tortured and shot by terrorists I'd take my M249 and show them how many bullets there can be in one man. Difference is, that soldiers are trained to fight, believe it or not, but that's how it is. It's their job. The civilians are just there, wrong place at the wrong time.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
You dont get it still!!!


The people of iraq are not terrorists!!!


Almost all of the attacks on coalition forces have been made by people coming from outside iraq in an attempt to stir up trouble. Hell these terrorists from outside iraq even planted bombs in markets to get people pissed off at the occupation.

This couples with the publication of the few acts of the coalition troops that have acured have made people in iraq very angry. For the most part they are just angry. But there are allways the few that are just plain insane and actually start trouble.




Basically, the people of iraq are not suicide bombers. You are again generalising terrorists with the Iraqi people. Not on purpose I am sure but I think it is more likely that you dont understand the situation.

No offence intended.



God damn i'm tired. I have to go soon.
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Ok, so basically you are saying that the people of iraq are not terroist right? so you are saying there are 0 terroists, or suicide bombers or anything else that is bad in iraq, right? ok, well i dont know about that. But abou you saying how i was generalising terroists with the Iraqi people. I said in my post that the terroist of iraq deserved saddams power, but not the inicint civiliians, i have abouslutely nothing against the inicint people, just the sucide bombers and such.
 
Epyon said:
How about the picture of the dead us soldiers that have been shot, stabed, burned, and hung by the feet and then later hit by the other "terrosit" with a stick. Would you strap a bomb and kill those guys? or is it only if a US Soldier kills a Iraqi civiliian, or a baby as it happens to be in this case. And yes, mind you, i do believe that both of these acts were very wrong.
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they were soldiers they knew what they were getting into...what does a toddler know about politics?

the soldiers in question were already dead when they were dragged through the city and mutilated...it just shows you how "grateful" the iraqi's are towards their "liberators"
 
the thing is that many american soldiers think their shit smell sweeter than others..and btw there is already a thread about this called Dont loot!..
 
ahh... did a search and found your thread... Lets not get this turned into another *locked* thread shall we?
 
Epyon: You know perfectly well thats not what I meant. I mean for goodness sake. Of course there are terrorits in iraq. There are terrorists in America, in the UK, in just about every country in the world.

The only reason there are more in Iraq attacking coalition forces at this present time is because the coalition forces are there at present.
Thats not because the coalition forces necceserally did anything wrong. But because these people have had anti west propagander practically all their lives.


What everyone is pointing out is that while no action on either side is more acceptable, the coalition army have absolutely no excuse. They are suppost the be the diciplined and organised force that is there to liberate iraq and set an example. This type of thing does not help them in any way.
 
Could it possibly be that the soldiers and the iraqs are both to blame? In this particular case with the car, the soldiers are being morons but in the end it isnt life and death. Ive come to realise that american soldiers are not that bad at all in all relation to things
there are many,many good honest soldiers in iraq but a few of them decide to cross the morality barrier. Then we have the other side of the coin, Iraqi people just want everything to get back to normal but like marksman said outsiders and such photos of mistreatment in prisons causes friction with some Iraqis and some go far enough to strike at the americans. The "bad guys" are : a handful of american soldiers, people who come across the globe to cause havok and a handful of iraqis. Some Iraqis cause some trouble but its justified, they are getting the wrong messages "americans are bad news" etc... and then there are some that stir it up like that religious leader whatever his name is who showed the (now know to be fake) photos of british solidiers mistreating iraqi prisoners, he is an example of a "bad iraqi". So in the end there is no "Bad" group but rather a few "Bad" individuals. With the exception of such terrorist groups that come in for unknown reasons to cause chaos, they are the real problem. Its catch 22 again, the trouble will stop when soldiers leave but the soldiers need to stay to stop trouble Iraqis that cause trouble are only hurting themselves.
 
To blow yourself or not to blow yourself that`s the question
 
I don't want to get into a stupid debate .. or shout and whine all day. But there is one thing I want you to understand: If you think Iraqis were subject to merely propaganda, then be aware that you too were probably subject to propaganda.

marksmanHL2, I wil give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are brainwashed to believe this war was for good reasons.

But because these people have had anti west propagander practically all their lives.
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well, when I opened my eyes to the world -aka when I was 5 years old- I saw american airplanes bombing my country. Ofcourse I was a kid at that time and didn't have a grip. I remember I once was standing on the top of the roof of our house with few of my friends, and an aircraft came flying soo close to us .. it was big. I though that was amazing back then .. but now I am ashamed of this thought.

What I am trying to say is, it's not just propaganda you know ..

for those who don't know how the resistance started .. it was in Falluja. People there walked in peacefull demonstration urging US troops to stop using a certain school as a military base. But these troops shoot them with life bullets and killed about 17 armless people. Ofcourse they said they were firing back .. but the people ofcourse deny that.
That's when it started .. the US Troops started it.
 
"I don't want to get into a stupid debate .. or shout and whine all day"

Sorry to say, but once you post something in this thread your in the debate.........unless you leave the thread and never come back, becuase if you read a post that you want to comment on you will, which will bring you farther into the debate, i hate threads about politics/war.......
 
getting in a stupid debate means being someone like you who has no buisness but to swear and fill his post with starts ***** because he can't live without saying cuss words.

I don't mind getting in a debate.. but not a stupid one.
 
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