Americans! Stop consuming high-fructose corn syrup!

I'm pretty glad to say I've kicked my soda habits. I've gone from three to six cans a day to one or two a month, which I am fine with.
 
I drink diet soda. Probably have lost 10 or so pounds over time from switching.
 
Maestro said:
Protip: Glucose/Glucose-Fructose Syrup is HFCS.

My point being that trying to replace HFCS in most foods would be impossible. There is no other alternative that produces sugar effective in the central US. Attempting to grow either of the other major sugar-producing plants is impossible, the amount of useable materials which are derived from corn vs. other sugar-producing plants is enormous. Sugar beats do ONE things, sugar cane does ONE thing: make sugar. Corn can not only grow almost anywhere in the US (neither of the previous can) it is
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2009/03/CornSyrup.jpg

That all boils down to: corn syrup is staying.
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The biggest problem that needs ****ing stopping is adding god damn insane amounts of sugar to every ****ing thing on the market.

Too much salt, too much sugar, too much oil. We're addicted to intense flavor in this country. You stop eating that shit for a little while, you come back to it and you realize... god damn, that's some strong flavored shit!
 
Raziaar said:
Too much salt, too much sugar, too much oil. We're addicted to intense flavor in this country. You stop eating that shit for a little while, you come back to it and you realize... god damn, that's some strong flavored shit!
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I would also add caffeine to your "too much" list. I just had an energy drink today after not having one for a few weeks... It feels like Im about to have a heart attack. Yet, just a few months ago, I would have 2 or 3 a day. And the crazy thing is that most younger kids (junior high/high school) drink energy drinks like most people drink soda. Its gonna catch up to them, just like this high fructose corn syrup.
 
David.Seth2 said:
I would also add caffeine to your "too much" list. I just had an energy drink today after not having one for a few weeks... It feels like Im about to have a heart attack. Yet, just a few months ago, I would have 2 or 3 a day. And the crazy thing is that most younger kids (junior high/high school) drink energy drinks like most people drink soda. Its gonna catch up to them, just like this high fructose corn syrup.
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Yeah, I mentioned that earlier in this thread. Kids drinking energy drinks like we drank sodas... going to really **** themselves up with that.
 
I can't see how people drink Energy drinks that often....those things are utterly disgusting. "MMMM THIS BATTERY ACID WILL WAKE ME THE **** UP!"
 
Raziaar said:
The biggest problem that needs ****ing stopping is adding god damn insane amounts of sugar to every ****ing thing on the market.

Too much salt, too much sugar, too much oil. We're addicted to intense flavor in this country. You stop eating that shit for a little while, you come back to it and you realize... god damn, that's some strong flavored shit!
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Assholes be too cheap to use actual spices for flavour when making processed foods :(
 
Raziaar said:
Yeah, I mentioned that earlier in this thread. Kids drinking energy drinks like we drank sodas... going to really **** themselves up with that.
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sorry, must of missed it. At least Im not the only one who thinks that though

CyberPitz said:
I can't see how people drink Energy drinks that often....those things are utterly disgusting. "MMMM THIS BATTERY ACID WILL WAKE ME THE **** UP!"
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Yeah, looking back, especially during my high school years, I dont know why I drank them that often. I guess I liked the buzz. Plus, whats even worse, is that I used to take Stacker 2 along with drinking the energy drinks (this is back when Stacker 2 had ephedra). I remember because of this, I acted a lot different, and a few people used to think I was on meth (those people used to use crank a lot, and apparently I showed many similar symptoms, like twitches, chewing the inside of my mouth, being hyperactive, etc). As far as the "mmm tastes like battery acid" goes, I didn't like the taste of a lot of them, and as soon as other companies came out with competitive products, I switched to them. "Gansta" was my drink of choice. Tasted like grape soda (which I happen to love).
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And especially now, since there are many, many different brands of energy drinks that taste "good" (aka better than Red Bull/Rock Star) the potential danger of caffeine is becoming greater. NOS is really good, as well as Rock Star fruit punch flavored. There are also a bunch of other brands that I've tried, but cant remember, that actually taste as good (if not better) than most sodas.
 
David.Seth2

Speaking of Ephedra... I once bought this "Ephedrine-free" weight loss pill bottle. I took the recommended dose once, and in about 30 minutes I was experiencing heart palpitations so severe and it scared me so utterly shitless that I stopped taking it forever. I still have it in my drawer... and this was at least five years ago.

I don't even want to think of how the Ephedrine version would have made me feel.
 
Well, when I took stacker 2 with ephedra, I was over weight. I was about 200-210, and my normal bmi should be around 140ish. The first few times i took it, I experienced the same heart thing that you did. But after a couple days, I guess my body got used to it because I didn't feel it anymore. Were you taking it with food? Because if you take it on an empty stomach "(even the ephedra-free stuff), it will **** you up. I have to say that even with the undesirable side effects of ephedra, I lost a lot of weight. I actually got down to 145. And I kept it off for a couple years too. Ephedra was one of the only "hunger suppresents" that actually worked. I would eat a big breakfast or lunch, take the stacker 2, and I wouldn't be hungry 4 hours later like I normally was. So the meals I ate after were smaller and smaller. I guess that's how I actually lost the weight.

The same thing happened to me when I had asthma. The inhalers would speed my heart rate up to insane amounts (well, it felt that way). But after a couple days I got "used" to it and my heart wouldn't trip out anymore.
 
David.Seth2 said:
Well, when I took stacker 2 with ephedra, I was over weight. I was about 200-210, and my normal bmi should be around 140ish. The first few times i took it, I experienced the same heart thing that you did. But after a couple days, I guess my body got used to it because I didn't feel it anymore. Were you taking it with food? Because if you take it on an empty stomach, it will **** you up. I have to say that even with the undesirable side effects of ephedra, I lost a lot of weight. I actually got down to 145. And I kept it off for a couple years too.

The same thing happened to me when I had asthma. The inhalers would speed my heart rate up to insane amounts (well, it felt that way). But after a couple days I got "used" to it and my heart wouldn't trip out anymore.
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BMI of 140ish huh?

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I'm sure his is still less than that.
 
lol i meant that for my bmi, I should have been 140ish pounds. I dont remember the actual bmi number.
 
I go through 2-4 Big K citrus drops a day. Really need to kick that stuff. I'm really active though, so I think it's fine.
 
Raziaar said:
The biggest problem that needs ****ing stopping is adding god damn insane amounts of sugar to every ****ing thing on the market.

Too much salt, too much sugar, too much oil. We're addicted to intense flavor in this country. You stop eating that shit for a little while, you come back to it and you realize... god damn, that's some strong flavored shit!
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The only stuff I have is sugar cereal and "vitamin"water. Goldfish don't count because they're the snack that smiles back.

I only drink one soda a week, and it's either Dublin Dr. Pepper or (used to) Mexican Coke. Mexican Coke isn't at Costco anymore, though. :( Costco sells caskets, though!
 
I've been aware of this for some time now...but still



*drinks Ginger ale*
 
Raziaar said:
The biggest problem that needs ****ing stopping is adding god damn insane amounts of sugar to every ****ing thing on the market.

Too much salt, too much sugar, too much oil. We're addicted to intense flavor in this country. You stop eating that shit for a little while, you come back to it and you realize... god damn, that's some strong flavored shit!
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Totally agree with you.

I look at all my labels to see if it has processed sugar and I avoid almost everything that does.

I'm sick of everything tasting super sweet.
 
I agree. They add salt to everything.

So, you've got frozen french fries with salt [and other seasonings] added, but the ketchup has salt also. And I like Tabasco sauce in my ketchup. Oh, salt in that too. Then, its ready. Do you want salt for those fries? No, please **** off.

It's not just a little salt. Each component has so much salt, they must think you are going to eat it by itself.

Speaking of Goldfish crackers, they didn't have my favorite - Pizza flavor, so I picked up EXTREME pizza flavor. This had a taste similar to eating plain sea salt. Jesus Christ. Borderline inedible. Hate to waste food, but I couldn't stomach them. I mixed them with some cheddar flavor to dilute it a bit.
 
Explains why I like unsalted fries with my ketchup. Or potato wedges.
 
VirusType2 said:
I agree. They add salt to everything.

So, you've got frozen french fries with salt [and other seasonings] added, but the ketchup has salt also. And I like Tabasco sauce in my ketchup. Oh, salt in that too. Then, its ready. Do you want salt for those fries? No, please **** off.

It's not just a little salt. Each component has so much salt, they must think you are going to eat it by itself.

Speaking of Goldfish crackers, they didn't have my favorite - Pizza flavor, so I picked up EXTREME pizza flavor. This had a taste similar to eating plain sea salt. Jesus Christ. Borderline inedible. Hate to waste food, but I couldn't stomach them. I mixed them with some cheddar flavor to dilute it a bit.
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Baby, I know you're no stranger to some good ol' sea salt crusted pizza. It's the next best thing next to Stuffed Crust.
 
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EDIT: Oh, shit. It's Ceiling Mouse.

Baby, I know you're no stranger to some good ol' sea salt crusted pizza. It's the next best thing next to Stuffed Crust.
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I am a stranger. Never heard of it.
 
VirusType2 said:
I am a stranger. Never heard of it.
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It's like they say in Italy, "Dolce Bacio del Mare"


And as my mama always used to tell me, "Tu non sei italiano, e tu non sei mio figlio."
 
The production of corn syrup is responsible for consuming enormous unprecedented amounts of crude oil and electricity. If that same corn was exported or used to feed those who are needy within our borders, and the money saved was used to import sugar cane, not only would it improve our health care situation, but we would see a boom of competition in the scarily corporatist agriculture industry and a hopeful blow to one of the largest and most influential lobbies in Washington.

In short: regardless of how much of a detriment corn syrup may be to our health, the HFCS industry is bad for the U.S. and world at large.
 
You have good taste in pop, by the way.
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Soda. SODA GOD DAMNIT. I'm from Chicago and I STILL hate that term. Everyone called it pop, it drives me up a wall!

Anyway, yeah. I do like sugar-cane drinks. I drink vitaminwater for that reason because they use cane sugar. I only like 4 flavors regardless, but those 4 flavors kick the ever-loving shit out of Gatorade.

BHC said:
The production of corn syrup is responsible for consuming enormous unprecedented amounts of crude oil and electricity. If that same corn was exported or used to feed those who are needy within our borders, and the money saved was used to import sugar cane, not only would it improve our health care situation, but we would see a boom of competition in the scarily corporatist agriculture industry and a hopeful blow to one of the largest and most influential lobbies in Washington.

In short: regardless of how much of a detriment corn syrup may be to our health, the HFCS industry is bad for the U.S. and world at large.
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You do realize that if the US were to switch over from producing HFCS to importing cane sugar it would at least double in price, right?
 
It wouldn't need to double if consumption went down :(
 
Maestro said:
You do realize that if the US were to switch over from producing HFCS to importing cane sugar it would at least double in price, right?
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Incorrect, actually. The government gives an ungodly sum for factory owners and farmers to produce oodles of corn and perform the costly procedure of refining stalk corn into HFCS, the price of soda is artificially deflated as is because of HUGE subsidies, as previously mentioned in this thread. That same money given to the corn industry via subsidy is then invested and returned to lobbyists when it could instead be given to the respective import industries by Uncle Sam in the first place to keep the price of our favorite diabetes-causing sodee-pop low. In fact, probably even lower than it is now. You do realize we spend more on importing oil to burn in order to transform corn into HFCS and Ethanol than we could possibly ever spend on importing sugar cane? It's not about keeping jobs or business within U.S. borders or controlling costs anymore (it never really was), don't be led astray.

Who would lose out: big agriculture and the politicians who benefit majorly from their lobbies (read: they get shit tons of cash). Not the consumer, not even Pepsi/Coke co. Just companies like ConAgra and A.E. Staley. These corporations as well as many other medium sized operations rely entirely on these subsidies to survive, they are essentially operating on behalf of the U.S. government specifically so we don't have to rely on imports. In a successful transition these companies would be aided to instead diversify their crop development and begin exporting and distributing to u.s. food manufacturers to bring down costs for consumers on what is undoubtedly healthier food solutions. This way both the energy and health footprint would be lowered without significant impact on corporate agriculture and those it employs.

This is perhaps one of the most misunderstood, ass backwards and unethical spending policies the U.S. still has in place, I suggest you do some more research about it and talk to your state representatives.

All that aside, I'm of the belief that their should be a heftier tax and thus a higher price on things like soda because, like cigarettes (who do have this lovely sort of tax in most states), it's pure poison for your body.
 
Recently went on a 2 week cruise, and I ate a LOT, skipped the bread and anything with potatoes, but ate far more total food, especailly sugar than normal. I gained 7 lbs (weighed 24 hours after getting off the cruise). The people I went with gained more, despite eating far less than I did.

When I returned, I ate and exercised the exact same as I always do. No starving myself or anything of the sort. 1.5 weeks later I'm back at the exact same weight as before.

Sugars / Carbs:
My diet doesn't avoid sugar, but does avoid "excess sugar," such as HFCS drinks (soda, juice, etc), and most processed foods. I also keep my starches generally down, especailly skipping anything with potatoes, and keeping bread in moderation, usually opting for wheat over white bread. I have frozen-yogurt about twice a week (lots of sugar). I also mix plain yogurt with fruit and light sugar, or low-sugar jellies. The most carbs I get is when I order a 12-inch whole-wheat sub.

Protein:
I eat a lot of protein... fish, chicken... typically at least 1lb of meat per day.

Fats:
I only avoid processed fats, and with meat opt for chicken/fish instead of beef/pork when given a choice. But not at all afraid of a juicy 16oz steak or hamburgers once or twice a week. I take fish-oil supplements & use generous amounts of olive oil when cooking the 1-2 lbs of chicken or fish I eat every day. I also eat "unprocessed" trail-mixes (no oil, salt, or chemicals...just dried fruit and nuts) and raw nuts generously.

Processed Foods:
Almost NONE. Not even lunch meat. I get headaches from food allergies to corn and soy (and a few other things)...and both are in everything.

Exercise:
I do about 5-10 sets of bodyweight exercises (pushups, pullups, etc) per day, spaced out through the day....typically one set right before I eat (as a 'disciplined' habit), and whenever I think about it. Overall about 5-10 minutes of my time. EVERY DAY (that's the key). I'm actually reasonably cut with this regimen.

Maestro said:
Sugar beats do ONE things, sugar cane does ONE thing: make sugar.
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One slight disagreement. Sugar cane, unprocessed, has a lot of fiber. It's interesting to note that people who work on sugar cane farms are generally healthy.
 
BHC said:
All that aside, I'm of the belief that their should be a heftier tax and thus a higher price on things like soda because, like cigarettes (who do have this lovely sort of tax in most states), it's pure poison for your body.
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The entire notion of taxing for social reasons is complete bullshit.

Gas and cigarettes are taxed so heavily because people can't live without them. If soda were taxed, its sales would drop and the entire point of it being a revenue-generating tax would go out the window.

(Read: Don't tax my ****ing pop, mother****er.)
 
Subsidies mean taxes. If subsidies cover half the cost of corn, for every $1 we think we spend on corn/HFC (off the shelf, in soda, etc), the real cost is $2, which DOES come out of our pockets due to taxes. And with national health-care, subsidizing unhealthy behavior, costs are higher.

BHC said:
Incorrect, actually. The government gives an ungodly sum for factory owners and farmers to produce oodles of corn and perform the costly procedure of refining stalk corn into HFCS, the price of soda is artificially deflated as is because of HUGE subsidies, as previously mentioned in this thread. That same money given to the corn industry via subsidy is then invested and returned to lobbyists when it could instead be given to the respective import industries by Uncle Sam in the first place to keep the price of our favorite diabetes-causing sodee-pop low. In fact, probably even lower than it is now. You do realize we spend more on importing oil to burn in order to transform corn into HFCS and Ethanol than we could possibly ever spend on importing sugar cane? It's not about keeping jobs or business within U.S. borders or controlling costs anymore (it never really was), don't be led astray.

Who would lose out: big agriculture and the politicians who benefit majorly from their lobbies (read: they get shit tons of cash). Not the consumer, not even Pepsi/Coke co. Just companies like ConAgra and A.E. Staley. These corporations as well as many other medium sized operations rely entirely on these subsidies to survive, they are essentially operating on behalf of the U.S. government specifically so we don't have to rely on imports. In a successful transition these companies would be aided to instead diversify their crop development and begin exporting and distributing to u.s. food manufacturers to bring down costs for consumers on what is undoubtedly healthier food solutions. This way both the energy and health footprint would be lowered without significant impact on corporate agriculture and those it employs.

This is perhaps one of the most misunderstood, ass backwards and unethical spending policies the U.S. still has in place, I suggest you do some more research about it and talk to your state representatives.

All that aside, I'm of the belief that their should be a heftier tax and thus a higher price on things like soda because, like cigarettes (who do have this lovely sort of tax in most states), it's pure poison for your body.
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Maestro said:
I like how you never confront a real argument, all you do is find and nitpick foibles.
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You haven't presented any arguments that I care about, so I've pointed out factual flaws instead.
 
Yesterday I had to choose between sweet and zesty pickles.

Upon inspecting the labels I found the sweet pickles were sweetened by none other than HFCS!


Dun dun dunnnnn....
 
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