An Interesting Bit of Philosophy

[Jintor]

It's just that scientifically most of what he says is total nonsense. But then again, scientifically what of most humans do is total nonsense.

Shouldn't you have capitalised His?

/EDIT What do you mean, there is no "proof" otherwise?

If we can't believe our senses, we can't believe a ****ing thing, and we should all go die in a hole. -___-

 

[Sui]

Shouldn't you have capitalised His?

God became mortal after sacrificing himself to end the Eternal Storm, and died with his followers. It is his plan that lives on, ever in motion. So you capitalise "God" as it is a name, but just with other names, there is no need to capitalise "his".

 

[Pressure]

It's something called Faith. You just know in your heart it's true. Not only that, but there is overwhelming proof for His existence.

Edit: I disagree, you have to capitalize His. It's a sign of disrespect if you don't. He is God after all and He does deserve your respect.

 

[victor]

jintor's right. any value divided by 0 is undefined. you're confusing it with a limit, where if the denominator approaches 0, the expression approaches infinity.

-edit-
this thread has turned into a cripple fight.

 

[Jintor]

Maybe I should just quote the Bablefish arguement at you.

 

[Cole]

It's something called Faith. You just know in your heart it's true. Not only that, but there is overwhelming proof for His existence.

Edit: I disagree, you have to capitalize His. It's a sign of disrespect if you don't. He is God after all and He does deserve your respect.

Ok show us this overwhelming proof. I mean hard cold facts. More than just "Well the bible says!". Because for all I know, the bible was written by a drunk guy.

You're still pushing this argument of your made up Gods. You say you can go write a book but you won't, because what you're saying is a lie. You give these examples and say anyone can do it, but why aren't there millions of religions as popular as Christianity then? It's because thousands of people actually witnessed these events and spread the word, both written and vocal. You can't spread as wide as Christianity did without eye-witness accounts. You go ahead and write your book, but I can garuantee that it won't even get published. Just because I didn't witness these accounts personally doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Did you see Abraham Lincoln get shot? No? I guess it didn't happen then.

Because there are documented records of him getting shot at his time of death. The bible wasn't written until about 200 years after Jesus died.
The reason why christianity is so popular is for a simple reason, they basically threw out all the rules and told you "You just have to be good and believe in god". That's all you have to do. According to Jesus if you work on a Sunday you go to hell. That's just about every american.

All you say is that it's not random, but where's that "proof" you scientific type boast so much about. All you say is, "No it's not!" Show me how it isn't random then. Tell me how these random mutations in your hoax of a "theory" aren't random. A mutation is an error in the genetic code. Therefore it generally causes more problems than good.

It's called a theory for a reason and that's because it's just that, a theory.

Dictionary.com defines theory as:

the?o?ry /ˈθiəri, ˈθɪəri/
?noun, plural -ries.

1. guess or conjecture.

Evolution is only a "guess or conjecture" of science.

No. Evolution is a fact. "The Theory of Evolution" is a theory based on facts. "The Theory of Evolution" explains how Evolution works, but Evolution itself is fact.

The difference between me and a rock is simple, I'm a living biological being and a rock is not. It's true everything is made up of atoms, which are God's building blocks. God made both me and the rock, but he made humans in his likeness. We are extremely well designed and complex beings.

You didn't do what I asked. I asked you to tell the diference between you and a rock on an atomic level. Not that the rocks arn't "biological". But how exactly on the atomic level are you different than a rock.

Your example of a Puddle God is just ridiculous. You're only mocking your own theory on that one. "Duurrr, lightning struck a puddle and here we are!" Yay evolution! Right? Wrong! God created us, and yes I believe it was 6000 years ago. Your theory is just stupid, in my opinion.

So you are making the claim it was 6000 years ago. Provide factual evidence that it was 6000 years ago. I mean scientists have shown me that it wasn't via half-life, but you have yet to give me some evidence. All you can do is point to works in a book, however I don't believe everything I read.

Your foot example proves nothing. Let's just use a wing as better visualization. Now, let's talk about a bat. God created bats to work perfectly and thus all their body parts work perfectly for the way they live. Now, their wings are a complex structure and that complexity is irreducible. Just like the watch, if anything was out of place it wouldn't function. Now lets imagine that your "evolution" is actually true, a previous version of the bat only had half a wing. Now the bat can't fly because the wing isn't functional anymore. Thus the bat can't catch insect and it would starve to death. It needs it's full wing to live, or else it just wouldn't work. It's always had it's wings the way they are and it's clear that it was made by a designer.

Prove it. You are making the claim bats have always been like that. Prove it.

Heres what you don't get. You think "What is the use of a half wing", and you right there is no use for it. So a bat who had a half wing would die. Evolution is mutation in genes. Now if this mutation affects the species negatively, then those in the species with that gene will eventually die off. If the mutation affects the species postively, then those with the mutation in the species will grow and prosper.

Did God not also create bacteria? How come bacteria evolves via micoevolution? Where his creation of bacteria not designed perfect or something?

In reality, the proof is all around. Everything about live and Earth is perfect, even down to natural laws! The size and shape of Earth's orbit is perfect for life. If it were any closer to the sun, it would burn up, and if it were any farther away, it would freeze. Life could not exist on Earth in these cases. Gravity is perfect. If it were any stronger, the universe would have collapsted into the sun. If it were any weaker, everything would be moving away from the sun too quickly, and formations of stars would never have been made.

Look around you. Not around you but up at the stars. There are billions of stars in our galaxy. There are over 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Some stars have 9 planets some have 30-40. So maybe the chances of life on a planet are 1 in 100,000,000,000,000.

900000000000000000000 planets if each sun had an average of 9 planets.

That makes 9000000 planets capable of life.

I'd also like to point out many universes contain more than a billion stars, some up to 100 bilion.

Really the odds that there is a planet to support some sort of life, are in favor. Also you have to remember this. Life adapted to earth. Any planet can be perfect for life, simply the bacteria on the planet has to be able to evolve and use the minerals and gasses on the planet to function.

You know the formula, m over nought equals infinity, m being any positive number? Well, why not reduce the equation to a simpler form by multiplying both sides by nought. In which case you have m equals infinity times nought. That is to say that a postive number is the product of zero and infinity. Doesn't that demonstrate the creation of the universe by an infinite power out of nothing?

What about this?

(a + b^n)/n = x, therefore God exists!

Huh?

.999... = 1, therefor God doesn't exist!

I'm also a little confused by your equation. No where are you even using the sign for infinity yet you start talking about it? You also mention the variable m but you don't use it. Please make your math more clear. Because I can start plugging in numbers and i don't see where you are going with it...

(a + b^n)/n = x
a = 1
b = 1
n = 1

(1 + 1)/1 = x
2 = x.
Wow! whats so great about that?

There is no "proof" otherwise, only crackpot theories like the Big Bang. It's not me you can't stop, it's God. He will always win.

But there is no proof for. You are making the claim that god exists, therefor you must prove that he does. I must listen to your arguments and question them.

I'd have to say that we are. We are the pillars of morality for society. We have God's written laws, which act as the perfect guide for peace. You have nothing to base yourself upon, which only leads to a downward spiral of sin and blasphemy. A world without Christianity wouldn't exist because it would be selfdestructive.

PEACE?

 

[Cole]

What's peaceful about all this:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)



God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)



Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)



Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)



Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)



God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)



Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)



God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

 

[Cole]

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)



God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)



Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)



God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)



More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)





4) Miscellaneous Murders



More of Samson's Murders

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)



Peter Kills Two People

There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God." As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)



Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)



You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)



The Danites Kill the Next Town

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)



God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)



God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)



The Angel of Death

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)



Destruction of Ai

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)



Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)



God Kills an Extended Family

"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)



Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)



The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)



Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)



Kill the Family of Sinners

And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)

 

[Cole]

Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)



Murder

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)



Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)



Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

God Will Kill Ethiopia



"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

God Will Kill Everyone



"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 

[Sui]

So what? They deserved it!

 

[Sulkdodds]

Oh, you are such a cad.

EDIT: *Card!

 

[Pressure]

First, I'm not going to read all that stuff you copy pasted. If you're not going to take the time to come up with your own ideas and write them out yourself, then I'm not going to take the time to read it. However, your first post I will reply to.

The Bible is a pretty good sized book to have been written by some drunk guy. Considering the length he must have had alcohol pumping through his veins instead of blood. The fact of the matter is, that long ago only the most educated were able to read and write. These were educated men who saw and experienced Jesus themselves. If you say that's not enough proof, then your science writers are crackpots too, because for all I know they were drunk when they wrote about their "discoveries" and who knows if they really saw it or not because they could be lying.

Atoms are God's building blocks. He used them to create everything. So whether it's a human or a rock He used these building blocks to create them. I think you're crazy if you think we're the same as rocks just because we are both made of atoms. If anything I just see that as making your opinions a little less credible.

Evolution is not a fact. It's only one of the many scientific theories accepted by SOME of the scientific community. It is far from fact.

Funny how you say you don't believe everything you read, yet you probably read about the supposed age of the earth somewhere. If you're going to call me crazy for reading a book when, in fact, you too are getting your side from books also it just makes you seem silly. However, where we get the age of the earth as being 6000 years old is that we traced the genealogy back the Adam and it shows that to be the age of the earth. Easy enough to understand.

Why should I prove it? I'm not the on supporting evolution. Show me a form of the bat in the past where it didn't have it's wing, before it evolved them. I want to see when it had half a wing. I'll be waiting to see it.

Now you're just making up your own statistics and probabilities. Just because you make up numbers and then apply them to things to show favorable outcomes doesn't make it true. Again, you're coming off as less and less credible in my eyes. If you're so "science minded" quit making up your own statistics and probabilities and start working with cold hard facts like you keep boasting science does.

If anything .999 repeating = 1 would prove that God does exist. Infinite begets finite. God begot everything. He is infinite and has no beginning or end. If you need to "plug in" numbers to begin to understand math equations then I'm guessing you're working with a sub-par high school math education. Probably a little algebra and a tiny bit of geometry. If my first equation using m, which is an extremely simple equation and mathematic problem that is very easy to understand, confuses you then I'm not even going to bother with the second. All I can say is once you can begin to start to look at math without having to "plug in" numbers then we can begin to discuss this.

If you are going to attempt to disprove something the least you could do is understand the topic. First, you talk about simple theories and not facts. You criticize me for getting my information from a book when you get yours from books also. Then you make up statistics to pad your own arguments, but they're nothing but false proof. You can't even begin to grasp a simple math equation and you try to apply elementary math rules to try to understand it, so I'm not surprised when you didn't "get" the complex one. Then you just take the lazy way out and copy paste something from some website. If you're going to try to disprove something do it right. After reading that "rebuttal" I see your arguments as anything but sound and you as anything but credible.

 

[Jintor]

First, I'm not going to read all that stuff you copy pasted. If you're not going to take the time to come up with your own ideas and write them out yourself, then I'm not going to take the time to read it. However, your first post I will reply to.

The Bible is a pretty good sized book to have been written by some drunk guy. Considering the length he must have had alcohol pumping through his veins instead of blood. The fact of the matter is, that long ago only the most educated were able to read and write. These were educated men who saw and experienced Jesus themselves. If you say that's not enough proof, then your science writers are crackpots too, because for all I know they were drunk when they wrote about their "discoveries" and who knows if they really saw it or not because they could be lying.

Atoms are God's building blocks. He used them to create everything. So whether it's a human or a rock He used these building blocks to create them. I think you're crazy if you think we're the same as rocks just because we are both made of atoms. If anything I just see that as making your opinions a little less credible.

Evolution is not a fact. It's only one of the many scientific theories accepted by SOME of the scientific community. It is far from fact.

Funny how you say you don't believe everything you read, yet you probably read about the supposed age of the earth somewhere. If you're going to call me crazy for reading a book when, in fact, you too are getting your side from books also it just makes you seem silly. However, where we get the age of the earth as being 6000 years old is that we traced the genealogy back the Adam and it shows that to be the age of the earth. Easy enough to understand.

Why should I prove it? I'm not the on supporting evolution. Show me a form of the bat in the past where it didn't have it's wing, before it evolved them. I want to see when it had half a wing. I'll be waiting to see it.

Now you're just making up your own statistics and probabilities. Just because you make up numbers and then apply them to things to show favorable outcomes doesn't make it true. Again, you're coming off as less and less credible in my eyes. If you're so "science minded" quit making up your own statistics and probabilities and start working with cold hard facts like you keep boasting science does.

If anything .999 repeating = 1 would prove that God does exist. Infinite begets finite. God begot everything. He is infinite and has no beginning or end. If you need to "plug in" numbers to begin to understand math equations then I'm guessing you're working with a sub-par high school math education. Probably a little algebra and a tiny bit of geometry. If my first equation using m, which is an extremely simple equation and mathematic problem that is very easy to understand, confuses you then I'm not even going to bother with the second. All I can say is once you can begin to start to look at math without having to "plug in" numbers then we can begin to discuss this.

If you are going to attempt to disprove something the least you could do is understand the topic. First, you talk about simple theories and not facts. You criticize me for getting my information from a book when you get yours from books also. Then you make up statistics to pad your own arguments, but they're nothing but false proof. You can't even begin to grasp a simple math equation and you try to apply elementary math rules to try to understand it, so I'm not surprised when you didn't "get" the complex one. Then you just take the lazy way out and copy paste something from some website. If you're going to try to disprove something do it right. After reading that "rebuttal" I see your arguments as anything but sound and you as anything but credible.

And the same to you.

You are seriously suggesting that I should not be allowed to get any of my ideas from books? From websites? Are you going to extend that list any further? Maybe I shouldn't ask people about evolution, or creationism. Maybe I shouldn't take the Bible's word on it - that's a book, right?

Second, you're refusing to read anybodies arguements based on, and I quote, "if you're not going to take the time to come up with your own ideas and write them out yourself, then I'm not going to take the time to read it"

Yes, I suppose the idea of the World being created 6,000 years ago, God existing, etcetera etcetera, was entirely created by you.

May I also note that a) tracing the geneology of Adam back 6000 years to find how old the earth is only works if you take The Bible's, A book, viewpoint that Humans were created at the same time the Heavens and the Earth were created? Beyond the hypocrisy of this.

If you're going to take the Bible's word for this, you must also believe that the universe was created around 4,320,000,000 years ago based on the Hindu Puranas, when Brahma created the Universe for the 51st time.

And for the record, you made the equasion which doesn't prove a thing.

 

[Pressure]

Sigh...

What I was saying if you're going to go to a website and just copy paste 50 pages of stuff I'm not going to read it. That's just as bad as posting a URL to a website and then sitting back and saying, "That's my argument." It's ok to take small quotes from time to time to help pad your argument, but to just steal someone else's is just low.

And no, that's what you were suggesting. Don't twist this unto me, because the whole time that's what you guys have been pushing. "How can you get info from a book? Books can't be trusted!" You're the ones saying books are off limits, that's how ridiculous you are.

I'm not saying you have to make up what you're arguing about. Again you're twisting things. As I said before, if you're going to argue something just don't copy paste, it's as bad as just giving me a URL and claiming that to be your argument. It'd sorta be like if in real life you want to debate something and right when you start you pull a friend over and have him talk and say everything for you, but then saying "There, that's my argument." Do it yourself.

And, no I do not. Now you're just saying I have to accept what every book ever written says. I only believe the ones that are true. I'm not going to believe there's really a Hogwarts because I read Harry Potter. If you're going to base what you believe off everything, then you must live in a weird world.

If you're just going to reduce yourself to twisting everything I say to have some unintended meaning then, why bother? Do you really need to put words in my mouth, has it gotten to that point? Can you not provide this overwhelming "factual proof" that you guys seem to have that says God does not exist? You give these examples of evolution and such, that you say are fact, but then cannot provide "factual" evidence. Show me that bat, I'm still waiting.

We have a book written over 1500 years by 40 different authors on one subject and it doesn't contradict itself. Where as you can't give me two, just two, different experts in the same area of the field of science in the same generation that don't contradict each other. What you're doing here is only accepting some of the facts and views accepted by some of the scientific community.

 

[Cole]

First, I'm not going to read all that stuff you copy pasted. If you're not going to take the time to come up with your own ideas and write them out yourself, then I'm not going to take the time to read it. However, your first post I will reply to.

I'm sorry but maybe you didn't understand what all those quotes were from.
You said the bible was full of peaceful stories and good morals. Most of them show the exact opposite is true. I'm waiting for you to argue otherwise.

The Bible is a pretty good sized book to have been written by some drunk guy. Considering the length he must have had alcohol pumping through his veins instead of blood. The fact of the matter is, that long ago only the most educated were able to read and write. These were educated men who saw and experienced Jesus themselves. If you say that's not enough proof, then your science writers are crackpots too, because for all I know they were drunk when they wrote about their "discoveries" and who knows if they really saw it or not because they could be lying.

I don't care about science, I am not here to argue for it. I'm an atheist not a scienceist. So what if the most educated people could read and write? You said it yourself, the bible is a pretty good sized book. Now in order to afford that much alcohol you would need to be rich. Thereby a rich, educated, and drunk person could have written it.

Atoms are God's building blocks. He used them to create everything. So whether it's a human or a rock He used these building blocks to create them. I think you're crazy if you think we're the same as rocks just because we are both made of atoms. If anything I just see that as making your opinions a little less credible.

Would you agree that every action has an equal and opposite reaction on an atomic level?
(Yes I am going somewhere with this)

Evolution is not a fact. It's only one of the many scientific theories accepted by SOME of the scientific community. It is far from fact.

No, how evolution happens is the part debated. Guess what? Gravity is a theory. That must mean that Gravity isn't a fact! Or is it just because it is accepted it's fact? Just because a large amount of people believe something, don't make it true.

Funny how you say you don't believe everything you read, yet you probably read about the supposed age of the earth somewhere. If you're going to call me crazy for reading a book when, in fact, you too are getting your side from books also it just makes you seem silly. However, where we get the age of the earth as being 6000 years old is that we traced the genealogy back the Adam and it shows that to be the age of the earth. Easy enough to understand.

Ok what books am I getting my information from?

Why should I prove it? I'm not the on supporting evolution. Show me a form of the bat in the past where it didn't have it's wing, before it evolved them. I want to see when it had half a wing. I'll be waiting to see it.

I'll prove evolution once you proof god.

Now you're just making up your own statistics and probabilities. Just because you make up numbers and then apply them to things to show favorable outcomes doesn't make it true. Again, you're coming off as less and less credible in my eyes. If you're so "science minded" quit making up your own statistics and probabilities and start working with cold hard facts like you keep boasting science does.

You have yet to give on statistic or one fact.

If anything .999 repeating = 1 would prove that God does exist. Infinite begets finite. God begot everything. He is infinite and has no beginning or end. If you need to "plug in" numbers to begin to understand math equations then I'm guessing you're working with a sub-par high school math education. Probably a little algebra and a tiny bit of geometry. If my first equation using m, which is an extremely simple equation and mathematic problem that is very easy to understand, confuses you then I'm not even going to bother with the second. All I can say is once you can begin to start to look at math without having to "plug in" numbers then we can begin to discuss this.

I'm waiting for you to explain your equation. Or do you not even understand what it means?

If you are going to attempt to disprove something the least you could do is understand the topic. First, you talk about simple theories and not facts. You criticize me for getting my information from a book when you get yours from books also. Then you make up statistics to pad your own arguments, but they're nothing but false proof. You can't even begin to grasp a simple math equation and you try to apply elementary math rules to try to understand it, so I'm not surprised when you didn't "get" the complex one. Then you just take the lazy way out and copy paste something from some website. If you're going to try to disprove something do it right. After reading that "rebuttal" I see your arguments as anything but sound and you as anything but credible.

Here's what you don't seem to understand. It is not my job to disprove God. I do not have to. It is your job to prove him to me.



You have yet to provide anything to back you up. You have yet to provide a single fact or statistic. Furthermore I read every single thing I posted from that website. It's all from your bible, so you should remember them all.

Sigh...

What I was saying if you're going to go to a website and just copy paste 50 pages of stuff I'm not going to read it. That's just as bad as posting a URL to a website and then sitting back and saying, "That's my argument." It's ok to take small quotes from time to time to help pad your argument, but to just steal someone else's is just low.

Those are all quotations from your bible. Now respond!

And, no I do not. Now you're just saying I have to accept what every book ever written says. I only believe the ones that are true.

And how do you know they are true?

We have a book written over 1500 years by 40 different authors on one subject and it doesn't contradict itself. Where as you can't give me two, just two, different experts in the same area of the field of science in the same generation that don't contradict each other. What you're doing here is only accepting some of the facts and views accepted by some of the scientific community.

DOESN'T CONTRADICT ITSELF? You have not read the bible.

Fine i'll just link to a site.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

and http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical Contradictions.htm

Can you not provide this overwhelming "factual proof" that you guys seem to have that says God does not exist?

I do not have to prove that he doesn't exist. Just because I can't disprove something doesn't make it exist.

For instance. Disprove that there is a chinese teapot revolving around the earth, and when rubbed a magic geanie will pop out. If you can't disprove it, then it must be true right?


I am waiting for you to back up your saying of god with facts. Facts that can be backed up. The bible is not good enough, it was written 200 years after Jesus died, contradicts itself, has had many stories thrown out by the church.

Also please answer: Can God create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?

 

[Solaris]

Would you agree that every action has an equal and opposite reaction on an atomic level?
(Yes I am going somewhere with this)

No, Newtonian forces begin to break down at an atomic level.
Rest of the post is excellent though.

And Pressure, you believe atoms are gods building blocks, why? They're not mentioned in the bible, they're not even the most fundamental things, but what's ludicrously is that you believe in atoms, whose existence is only provable through the Scientific method, yet you refuse the Scientific method when it leads to results such as Evolution.

The core of Science is intellectual honesty, there are no intellectually honest Scientists who do not accept the theory of evolution. Either reject Science fully, or embrace it and everything that comes with it, anything else makes you a hypocrite or a fool.

 

[Cole]

No, Newtonian forces begin to break down at an atomic level.
Rest of the post is excellent though.

I hate quantum mechanics....

 

[kirovman]

I used to be an orthodox scientist, but now Pressure has shown me the light.

Hallelujah and praise be to the holy threesome.

 

[Pressure]

Mark one for my side, woo!

 

[Cole]

Mark one for my side, woo!

If only he wasn't joking

 

[victor]

pressure stuck his fingers in his ears and started yelling "NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" a while back

-edit-

.999 repeating doesn't equal 1, it equals .999 repeating. go back to school.

 

[Cole]

.999 repeating doesn't equal 1, it equals .999 repeating. go back to school.

Umm actually it does equal one.

Here's a simple proof.
x = .999....
10x = 9.999....
10x - x = 9.999.... - .999....
9x = 9
x = 1

or even simpler

1/3 = .333....
1/3 x 3 = 1
.333... x 3 = .999.....

 

[victor]

wow, my bad. apologies, pressure.

 

[Pressure]

If only he wasn't joking

He wasn't. Kirovman and I go way back. I lent him my Bible 2 days ago and he's been reading it. It's only natural that he saw the light.

 

[Marinmald]

its natural for me to show people the error of their ways for trying to convert me when I had clearly demonstrated that I have no interest in their religion, but you are no where near me now are you.

 

[Pressure]

I never said "Kamikazi I want to convert you!" and I actually live near you. Really close.

 

[Marinmald]

I never said "Kamikazi I want to convert you!" and I actually live near you. Really close.

you don't have to say "I want to convert you." no one ever says "I want to convert you." that is the last thing you want to say. you just do it, for example, I will be talking with someone and BAM "do you know the lord?" or "do you go to church?" or "are you saved?" or "do you read the bible?" and I will state plain as day "I am not a christian." in a annoyed tone cause I know where they are going. and when they hear that they get this look on their face and tone in their voice as if I should be pitied or loathed. It is usually coupled with a "I will pray that one day you will see the light." or "I will pray for your soul." or "you should really get to know god." and don't say that isn't trying to convert me, because it is. it is just subtle. forgive me if I seem a little vehement in this post, but I get this almost on a daily basis. and to say that if you are not a christian makes you an immoral person, you are dead wrong, do I steal? no. do I vandalize property that does not belong to me? no. do I murder people? no, but people are pushing their luck. and if you want blasphemy, try this on for size. I am my own self existing god, I have created all that there is, and when my time comes to an end, so will everything else. believe in me if you want, it does not matter. I do not need worshipers to exist. everything I say is true, and I have said it, there for it must be.

 

[Pressure]

You have edited! Anyway,

I live in Brandon foo!

 

[victor]

now that you know where he lives, kamikazi, you know what must be done.

 

[Jintor]

If only i could hack your mind, Pressure.

 

[victor]

bluepill (?)

 

[Cole]

He wasn't. Kirovman and I go way back. I lent him my Bible 2 days ago and he's been reading it. It's only natural that he saw the light.

OMG you had buttsechs with him didn't you!

 

[victor]

it's the only logical explanation

 

[Marinmald]

You have edited! Anyway,

*snipe*

I live in Brandon foo!

and an edit it was, also, *hand on face* you fail! I live in missouri foo! now gtfo

 

[CyberPitz]

Rofl Pressure, he lives near me! You're near the OTHER Kamikazie. Names are spelled wrong

It's OK pressure, not everybody is as perfect as Short Recoil.

 

[Pressure]

Hmmm, I thought Kamikazie had gotten lame, but this would explain it. Get off my internets imposter.

 

[Marinmald]

ha, that's it, that all you could come up with. you fail even more.

 

[Pressure]

Hah, retort!

 

[Marinmald]

hey...hey pressure, topic derailed.

edit: this is a good sammich.

 

[Pressure]

Guess who I am:

"Ugh, I'm gay! God doesn't exist and I'm a dumbass! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr..."