Ban the guns

Scoobnfl said:
The right to keep and bear arms has prevented individuals like Stalin from rising to power in this country. The framers of the constitution, who suffered under tyrannical rule knew this and that is why the 2nd amendment was included in the bill of rights.

Guns are banned in Russia right? How is the murder rate over there? What's the violent crime like? How is the young democracy fairing over there without the ability to counter Putins grab of their freedoms? I'll let you know, it's far worse than it is here.

doctors accidentally kill 100,000+ people per year in the USA. where is the outrage and call for banning doctors?
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Amen scoob and in case no one noticed Russia has the highest violent crime rate which yes does include guns. So the supposition that there are 'absolutely NO guns in Russia' is false. Very very false.
 
Combine Elite said:
Amen scoob and in case no one noticed Russia has the highest violent crime rate which yes does include guns. So the supposition that there are 'absolutely NO guns in Russia' is false. Very very false.
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America isn't a superpower that has collapsed and had basically an army's worth of weapons flood into the streets. Russia is an example of extrenuous circumstances- any argument based on the gun violence there is completely and utterly void considering that even at its most basic level, russia is non-comparable with the united states.
 
Combine Elite said:
Amen scoob and in case no one noticed Russia has the highest violent crime rate which yes does include guns. So the supposition that there are 'absolutely NO guns in Russia' is false. Very very false.
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USA is about the middle of the road. Russia is one of the worst places: http://www.haciendapub.com/stolinsky.html

Russia is the wildwest. Moscow is also the most expensive place to live. The Russian who posted here, must live somewhere not very dangerous.

In the USSR they had military not getting paid for like months, or even almost a year. So, why not sell some military weapons to the mafia?
 
I think the US should slowly and gradually lower the amount of guns as well as the flow of them, and prohibit bigger and more extreme rifles. You should only allow civilians to own pistols for a start. I don't think you need a gatling gun or a .50 cal sniper rifle to protect your home.

edit: Also, I think that everyone who wants to have a gun to protect their home must go through a basic firearm training set up by the military or something along the lines of that. You definitely need to make this law safer and especially make sure people not proficient in using firearms don't get a hold of them.
 
HHhmmm...I wonder if I should post "What Good Can A Handgun Do Against An Army". ;)

There may be some people here who would find it intersting.


C.H.
 
Guns are banned in Russia right? How is the murder rate over there? What's the violent crime like? How is the young democracy fairing over there without the ability to counter Putins grab of their freedoms? I'll let you know, it's far worse than it is here.
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Guns are banned in Ireland and the murder rate is very low. The police are unarmed and there has been about 1 murder of an on-duty policeman in 20 years.
 
ríomhaire said:
Guns are banned in Ireland and the murder rate is very low. The police are unarmed and there has been about 1 murder of an on-duty policeman in 20 years.
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Er...not counting Northern Ireland and IRA type things I'm guessing......
 
bliink said:
America isn't a superpower that has collapsed and had basically an army's worth of weapons flood into the streets. Russia is an example of extrenuous circumstances- any argument based on the gun violence there is completely and utterly void considering that even at its most basic level, russia is non-comparable with the united states.
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ok, you take your information for somewhere (i'm sure it's a good source), but i'm acually from there, i walked the streets if you wish, and believe me, there are a lot less guns on the streets.

maybe (probobly), govermant and some "russian mafia" (overrated), has tons of guns left over from the "superpowered" state, but on the streets there a very few guns, yes there is high rate of crime, but kids don't shoot other kids in school,
not because there are nicer than american kids, but simply because they can't get a hold of a firearm.


ps

suprizing, the cops a lot nicer, they acually have to greed you and state their name and put their hand to their head (i don't know what it's called), unlike, complitle rude cops in US
 
The word you were looking for is salute.

All officers get a smile from me, I respect their line of duty, they're not the problem.

It's the idiot policitians above them.

Thank god for free vote.
 
firemachine69 said:
The word you were looking for is salute.

All officers get a smile from me, I respect their line of duty, they're not the problem.

It's the idiot policitians above them.

Thank god for free vote.
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policitians are bad, but sometimes officers do abuse their powere and become assholes, i've had a guy pull me over last week and he was so rude, anyway did you know that a cop in US has to take an IQ test and if he/she doesn't score high enough they can't get a promotion after a certain point, that's why all the traffic cops are somewhat "dumb" and never become ditectives
 
Umm, did you know a fair bit go through college, and that's why they can't become detectives? Perhaps, (at least up here), you need to have gone through University? Not to mention, it's such an elite position, an attractive 30 yo woman posing as such in movies is utterly unrealistic.
 
ríomhaire said:
Guns are banned in Russia right? How is the murder rate over there? What's the violent crime like? How is the young democracy fairing over there without the ability to counter Putins grab of their freedoms? I'll let you know, it's far worse than it is here.
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let me tell you that freedom is not always so great, as well as independence (politically speaking)

think interdependence :cat:
 
firemachine69 said:
Umm, did you know a fair bit go thorugh college, and that's why they can't become detectives? Perhaps, (at least up here), you need to have gone through University? Not to mention, it's such an elite position, an attractive 30 yo woman posing as such in movies is utterly unrealistic.
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where is "here"?

there is a Police Academy in US
 
Canada

You are utterly uninformed on your schooling. Please go find out, then come back.

That's like saying all GM cars are made at the same place...
 
firemachine69 said:
Canada

Please go find out, then come back.

That's like saying all GM cars are made at the same place...
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what' do you mean? rephrase please
 
I'm planning on becoming a Marine in the near future. So what's to stop me from taking a weekend off and killing a scores of people with a KBar of with my hands?
 
A combat ready United States Marine enters your home. Armed with a KBar or say nothing at all. He begins killing your family members off. One by one. Breaking their necks, slicing their throats. These are people you love mind you. How are you going to stop this nut? A toothpick? A printed out copy of this thread. No, eithers your going to die, or your going to call 911 or your going to blow his head off with a suitable firearm.
 
ya because a "saturday night special" will protect you from a kbar, seriously you're starting to sound just a tad insane
 
I had to get my point across. You'd shoot. I'd shoot. Stern would shoot twice just to be sure, maybe even a third time. *I'm listening to your radio station by the way Stern.*
 
ya it's a university radio station ..so it's a mix of students and professors
 
GiaOmerta said:
A combat ready United States Marine enters your home. Armed with a KBar or say nothing at all. He begins killing your family members off. One by one. Breaking their necks, slicing their throats. These are people you love mind you. How are you going to stop this nut? A toothpick? A printed out copy of this thread. No, eithers your going to die, or your going to call 911 or your going to blow his head off with a suitable firearm.
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how often does that happen?

now, how often does kids kill other kids with guns?

come on, as i said earlier, be reasonable
 
CptStern said:
ya because a "saturday night special" will protect you from a kbar, seriously you're starting to sound just a tad insane
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what are you talking about?
 
ALEXDJ,

I'm from Idaho where a person can get an AR-15, AK-47clone, handgun, shotgun, whatever from looking in the calissifed section of the News Paper, go to the person's house and buy it from them with no paperwork -just as it should be at gun-stores, but unfortunatly they have to go through restrictions. Almost everyone I know owns a gun, and many of them have been shooting and handling them since they were 10 years old.

We have very low crime. And no "blood flowing in the streats" (anti-gun propagand terms).

We have a very strong "Gun-Culture". And despite some of the misleading info you have probably heard, it is not the gun-culture that encourages violence, but the opposite: To detere violence. To teach that every man has a responsability to defend his life, family, and country. The "antis"(Anti-gun people) constantly teach that only certain elete branching of socitey is "qualified" enough have certain rights. They teach that only police are "expert" enough to handle weapons. This is a very false idea. I know children that can handle a fireaem better than some cops.

BTW, every time a new state goes from no-concealed-carry to concealed-carry(Concealed Carry: People carrying concealed handguns), the leftist anti-gun whiners go off on a enotional bitching spree about how we'll have "cowboy-like shootings over parking spaces", and "blood flowing in the streats".

Has it happend? No. Those states that have gone to cealed carry help prevent against crime. In fact 2 states here have finaly decided they have no authority to have restrictions on a person's right-to-bear-arms, and are now recognizing it: No permit needed at all to carry. I hoope the rest of the nation follows their example.

The places in the US where we have high gun-crime are places with heavy restrictions on firearms, or where they have banned them all together(Washington DC).

And as far as school shootings go: You notice that these massacres happen in Victim-Disarmed-Zones(We call them "gun-free" zones), where people are defenceless...except of course for the killers. At Columbine, the police took a long while to get into the building; it was all over by then. The 2 school-shootings in US history that were stopped early was because somebody had a gun and confronted them! I think it was Mosses Lake where the prinicpal retreived a shotgun from his car and stopped further bloodshead. Many more could have been killed while wating for the police arive.

Also, this kid that shot up the school in Red Lake...he used a Policeman's gun; you know, a police-man -those special class citizens that are more equal than others and should only have guns?

The anti-gun blooddancers are making fools of themselves trying to capitalize on this massacre.

Back a few decades ago, students kept their rifles and shotguns, often used for hunting and plinking, in thei cars on school grouds! This was back in the day where everbody taught their kids the value of guns, and that they where to be respected and used for defence.

Tools aren't the problem. If you want to look for the problem anywhere in the world when it comes to high-crime, think of things such as poverty, social and cultural chages, demographics, ect..

Check out that site I linked to: http://www.a-human-right.com


C.H.
 
ya because a "saturday night special" will protect you from a kbar, seriously you're starting to sound just a tad insane
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What the heck are you blabering about?

A pistol won't defend against a knife(K-Bar)? That sounds insane to me.

Aslo, the term "Saturday-Night-Special" is an anti-gun propaganda term to describe cheap handguns. It is another catagory they set up of certain weapons they want to ban. The poor person that can't afford a more expensive $500+ handgun has just as much a right to defence as anyone else.

They want to ban "Saturday-Night-Specials": Cheap affordable handguns.

They want to ban "Pocket-Rockects": Small, concealable handguns.

They want to ban "Sniper-Rifles": A scoped deer-rifle.

They want to ban "Assault weapons": Semi-auto weapons.

They want to ban "Large-Bore Destructive Deveices": Shotguns.

They want to ban "Handcannons": Large hunting handguns.

These people no nothing of firearms. They created these catagorys to describe certain guns using scary names. Until there is nothing left to ban. That's the agenda.


C.H.
 
note to self: stay away from idaho
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Yes, please do.

Go stay in a gun-free utopia like NYC, Wash-DC, or other totaly-safe, no-crime liberal wounderlands.

Here in Idaho, it is safe.


C.H.
 
ĐynastҰ said:
mate no offence but you have a really ****ing shite attitude. you couldnt care that this kid bled to death??? how sick are you?

besides just because you get shot doesnt mean youre dead. its the damage the bullet does that kills you. if it goes through you, sure youll bleed like hell, but that doesnt mean youre dead. its the internal bleeding that kills you.

and anyway this kind of thing mostly happens in america...so that just shows how the country is so mucked up.

and anyway people in the US are ALLOWED BY LAW to carry a gun!!! lmao how ****ing stupid. what do they expect!!!! that everyone with a gun isnt going to shoot someone when they get mad??? ahahahahaha
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Should I even reply to this...errr...yes I live in the US and I must.
Ok get the **** out of your house, stop watching the news, and go to America and meet people with guns. I guarentee you none of the people who are allowed by law to carry a gun that you meet will shoot or have shot any INNOCENT people. Yes maybe like 10% of the people who legally get a gun actually kill an innocent person. If it were made illegal for everyone that 10% would still find ways to get guns. They were just lucky enough to find a crack in the system and get one legally. Because most guns used in shootings are ****ing illegally obtained or some stupid jackass of a father or grandfather does not know how to raise their kids nor hide their shit.

Also in regards to the whether people who own guns dont protect themselves against anything, I will tell you right now everyone I know that owns a gun has used it to protect themselves in a situation. Also if they didnt have a gun in that situation something REALLY bad would have happened.

I do believe there should be more restrictions on who can buy them and what guns they can buy.
So no, our country is not "REALLY ****ING STUPID" for letting people have guns. I can also guarentee you if I knew where you were from I can find something they do thats really ****ing stupid. So let us deal with our problems, if your not going to help then piss off.

I also think, what I am about to say will probably never happen, but if guns were completely legal and every person were taught to handle and fire a weapon. There would be less crime, because they would be taught the devastating effects of one and would use them responsibly. Thats what I think, maybe it wouldnt happen. But I personally shot a shotgun once, i will never point a gun at someone, I think I would probably even HESITATE at pointing one at someone who is threatening to kill me, just because I have been taught how devestating a gun is. There are morals that go along with owning a gun.
 
MilkMan12, Đynast...

What realy gets me is that people think it is the law that allows us our rights. That's simply not the case. Our rights come from God, not men -or laws/Gov'ts set up by men. And if you don't beleive in a God, then call our rights "natural human rights". Our(US) founders called them "self-evident".

You don NOT ask permition to have or excersize a right. When you have to ask permition to excersize something, it is not a right, but a privilege...that can be given or taken from you.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." -From the Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

"By their creator...", not "By the will of the majority..." or "By the whims of government..." or "By the law..."

You don't restict someones rights, period. You can punish them if they abuse their rights, and not before.

That's what is so absolutely wrong about BackGround Checks, permits, FOID cards, or "suspect lists" when buying a firearm. You don't have to prove yourself, or ask permition to be GRANTED rights that you already have. Messures like these treats our rights as if they were privileges, and also goes against "innocent until proven guilty".

"I had a copy of the Soviet Constitution and I read it with great interest. And I saw all kinds of terms in there that sound just exactly like our own: 'Freedom of assembly' and 'freedom of speech' and so forth. Of course, they don't allow them to have those things, but they're in there in the constitution. But I began to wonder about the other constitutions -- everyone has one -- and our own, and why so much emphasis on ours. And then I found out, and the answer was very simple -- that's why you don't notice it at first. But it is so great that it tells the entire difference. All those other constitutions are documents that say, 'We, the government, allow the people the following rights,' and our Constitution says 'We the People, allow the government the following privileges and rights.' We give our permission to government to do the things that it does. And that's the whole story of the difference--why we're unique in the world and why no matter what our troubles may be, we're going to overcome." -Ronald Reagan

When it comes to rights, they can't be denide by law or majority. If they could, then people could vote to exterminate a portion of the population they found "undesirable", or deny certain groups the right to speech, or firearms.


C.H.
 
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