Bush Impeachment Poll on MSNBC

[Ennui]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904

Vote.

The results are rather conclusive.

 

[Hazar]

keep in mind that impeachment is not the same thing as getting thrown out of office.

 

[The Mullinator]

Tis a just a wee bit unfair that this poll allows non-americans to vote don't you think?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Ha. Yes, possibly.

 

[gick]

I wonder how many people from outside the US voted?

I think the American public has its priorities mixed up if they dont mind Bush leading the country into a BS war, wiretapping his own citizens etc etc, yet Bill Clinton gets threatened with impeachment because he got head off a secretary.

 

[Ikerous]

Tis a just a wee bit unfair that this poll allows non-americans to vote don't you think?

Not really. Non americans have equally informed opinions on the subject and all they're asking for is opinions

 

[baxter]

Wow, I can't believe so many think he has done nothing wrong (7.4% when I looked).

 

[DeusExMachina]

lol, 86% .

I voted yes.

 

[The Mullinator]

Not really. Non americans have equally informed opinions on the subject and all they're asking for is opinions

So all this will tell us is that most of the rest of the world will want Bush to be impeached? People around the world wanted this before the last election for his second term, this poll can't tell anyone anything they won't already know.

 

[Icarusintel]

All this really proves is what type of people typically look at MSNBC.com, and the results are unsurprising

 

[smwScott]

^^^

Very true. Post the same thing on FOX News and see what you get. Not that MSNBC is as biased as FOX News, but the same principle is at work.

 

[Teta_Bonita]

I voted yes, but I still think there needs to be an investigation with damning results before we can really impeach him.

 

[bbson john]

Bush has over exaggerate the importance of "provoking" a war on Iraq. Bush gives us a wrong sense of vengeance. He misdirects all the citizens and the entire America. He imperils his own country and brings it into the brink of insolvency. Therefore, bush must be impeached!!!

 

[Murray]

Internet polls clearly states the following: Bush, you gonna get impeached.

 

[Icarusintel]

Bush has over exaggerate the importance of "provoking" a war on Iraq. Bush gives us a wrong sense of vengeance. He misdirects all the citizens and the entire America. He imperils his own country and brings it into the brink of insolvency. Therefore, bush must be impeached!!!

Even if he is impeached he is not necessarily kicked out of office, please remember Clinton.

And polls mean nothing anyway, unless congress takes action there will be no impeachment.

I can only see an impeachment at this point doing more harm than good. Besides, if Bush is thrown out of office then Dick Cheney steps in as commander-in-chief. No one seems to really be comprehending the situation here.

 

[15357]

I think its because that it allows non-americans to vote.

 

[$kelet0r]

I think its because that it allows non-americans to vote.

exactly
If you asked the similar questions about impeaching Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky 'scandal' the results would have been pretty similar in numbers but in the other direction
America went ape over it while the rest of the world chuckled :|

 

[bbson john]

Even if he is impeached he is not necessarily kicked out of office, please remember Clinton.

And polls mean nothing anyway, unless congress takes action there will be no impeachment.

I can only see an impeachment at this point doing more harm than good. Besides, if Bush is thrown out of office then Dick Cheney steps in as commander-in-chief. No one seems to really be comprehending the situation here.

I am just trying to make fun here. Yet, my primary concern is that Bush pushes his country into war. That is worse than any other domestic problems.

 

[Raziaar]

I say yeah, sure...

Cause it'll be fun.

I'll sit back with popcorn and watch as the whole world gets what they want... and then after its all resolved, I'll wait around to hear them bitch about something new.

 

[bbson john]

I have to really show my anger despite my unacceptably bad English!!!

America sucks. First, American claim themselves are the international police. However, it sounds like the USA is an international terrorist after the wars it provoked in Iraq and Afghanistan. America declared war on another country without having an approval from the United Nations. The act of America is internationlly illegal.

Bush claims that there are mass destructive weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan but the truth is that the assertion is of no basis. In other words, there is no mass destructive weapons. Moreover, Bush said Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are complicit. Yet I have learned the fact that Hussein is essentially an enemy of Laden. How can there be any possible complicity? This two facts show Bush is a fraud.

Second, it has come to my attention that the precedent presidents of America has shown no respect on any international protocols or covenants. America did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, treaty of sustainable development, treaties of basic human rights, treaty for abolishment of tortures, and more, treaty of women rights, which there are only very few countries left it unsigned, the USA is one of them. Amercia should have signed such basic treaties undoubtedly, for the mother nature or for humaity. However, the America refuses to do so. Why? I don't understand, REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Why America keep trying to doom the world via releasing so must greenhouse gas? Why the America keeps on exerting cruel torture? Why the America allows such retrogression of human rights in itself? Why? What is the difference between the America and Iraq? What is the difference between the America and some developing totalitarian countries? There is absolutly no difference. America SUCKS!!! SUCKSSSS!

I am going to make a threat to accuse the USA!

 

[CptStern]

I think its because that it allows non-americans to vote.

not really ...when it's only americans voting they still vote for impeachment

http://democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2


also the online poll doesnt stipulate you have to be american to vote

 

[Raziaar]

I have to really show my anger despite my unacceptably bad English!!!

America sucks. First, American claim themselves are the international police. However, it sounds like the USA is an international terrorist after the wars it provoked in Iraq and Afghanistan. America declared war on another country without having an approval from the United Nations. The act of America is internationlly illegal.

Bush claims that there are mass destructive weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan but the truth is that the assertion is of no basis. In other words, there is no mass destructive weapons. Moreover, Bush said Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are complicit. Yet I have learned the fact that Hussein is essentially an enemy of Laden. How can there be any possible complicity? This two facts show Bush is a fraud.

Second, it has come to my attention that the precedent presidents of America has shown no respect on any international protocols or covenants. America did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, treaty of sustainable development, treaties of basic human rights, treaty for abolishment of tortures, and more, treaty of women rights, which there are only very few countries left it unsigned, the USA is one of them. Amercia should have signed such basic treaties undoubtedly, for the mother nature or for humaity. However, the America refuses to do so. Why? I don't understand, REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Why America keep trying to doom the world via releasing so must greenhouse gas? Why the America keeps on exerting cruel torture? Why the America allows such retrogression of human rights in itself? Why? What is the difference between the America and Iraq? What is the difference between the America and some developing totalitarian countries? There is absolutly no difference. America SUCKS!!! SUCKSSSS!

I am going to make a threat to accuse the USA!

I sincerely hope you don't lump average americans in with your beliefs about america... and keep it strictly to the government.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Heh, an online poll. Whoop-de-doo!

 

[CptStern]

Heh, an online poll. Whoop-de-doo!

this one's the real McCoy

http://democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

By a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush

although it's just on wiretapping

an ipsos poll found the majority of americans polled believed he should be impeached for lying about iraq,

http://democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-1


in comparison the impeachment results for Clinton were much lower:

Only 36% supported hearings to consider impeachment, and only 26% supported actual impeachment and removal.

here's a few more polls on his performance and impeachment

http://democrats.com/bush-impeachment-polls

 

[brink's]

I love how 7.4 percent think he's done absolutely nothing wrong, I think thats the percentage of americans who watch fox news.

 

[CptStern]

I love how 7.4 percent think he's done absolutely nothing wrong, I think thats the percentage of americans who watch fox news.

heh the percentages of americans who watch fox"news" is much much higher ...so that's botth good and bad ...good cuz even fox"news" viewers are getting it through their thick heads and bad because ..well: "the percentages of americans who watch fox"news" is much much higher"

but I see your point

 

[Sulkdodds]

I sincerely hope you don't lump average americans in with your beliefs about america... and keep it strictly to the government.

Well, some of the stuff he said was generally about people and you realise it's often impossible to separate what the government does and the more general culture of a country. Especially a democratic one, where it's guaranteed that at least a sizeable portion of the populace supports the current government.

 

[Icarusintel]

I have to really show my anger despite my unacceptably bad English!!!

Hey, I give you props for this, at least you're trying very hard to use the language, unlike many other people who simply scoff at it.

America sucks. First, American claim themselves are the international police. However, it sounds like the USA is an international terrorist after the wars it provoked in Iraq and Afghanistan. America declared war on another country without having an approval from the United Nations. The act of America is internationlly illegal.

Generalizations do not help to make something true. There is a lot about America that is great and a lot of the world depends on America for a broad range of things such as economic aid, domestic support, economic relations, support against foreign aggressors etc. Also, America refers to North and South America. The United States of America is far more specific and relevant. It is possible to see the US as a terrorist, but since there is no true definition of terrorism it could also be attached to almost every country for some action in its present or past.

Bush claims that there are mass destructive weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan but the truth is that the assertion is of no basis. In other words, there is no mass destructive weapons. Moreover, Bush said Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are complicit. Yet I have learned the fact that Hussein is essentially an enemy of Laden. How can there be any possible complicity? This two facts show Bush is a fraud.

Bush never claimed that Afghanistan had weapons of mass destruction, only Iraq. Afghanistan was attacked because it was the main base of Al Qaeda and was home to Osama bin Laden. The gov't of Afghanistan, the Taliban, was aiding Al Qaeda. While there is no established link between Osama and Saddam there was a fear that weapons Saddam had could have gotten into the hands of terrorists like Osama.

Second, it has come to my attention that the precedent presidents of America has shown no respect on any international protocols or covenants. America did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, treaty of sustainable development, treaties of basic human rights, treaty for abolishment of tortures, and more, treaty of women rights, which there are only very few countries left it unsigned, the USA is one of them. Amercia should have signed such basic treaties undoubtedly, for the mother nature or for humaity. However, the America refuses to do so. Why? I don't understand, REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I agree with most of this except for the Kyoto Treaty, which really does not help the current global situation. It excludes China from restrictions, and since China is one of the fastest growing economies and industrial areas in the world it is greivously unproportionate. The treaty excludes any "developing country" while hitting other countries with very strict limits. Also, there is no solid evidence that compliance with the Kyoto Treaty will actually help the environment at all. Beyond that the US is looking towards means to help the environment, but progress has been very slow.

Why America keep trying to doom the world via releasing so must greenhouse gas? Why the America keeps on exerting cruel torture? Why the America allows such retrogression of human rights in itself? Why? What is the difference between the America and Iraq? What is the difference between the America and some developing totalitarian countries? There is absolutly no difference. America SUCKS!!! SUCKSSSS!

The US has a republican government which allows for fair elections which hardly makes it equivalent to a totalitarian country. The US is also only one country out of every single country in the world that releases greenhouse gases. If you want to complain about countries releasing greenhouse gases you should also look to China as well along with several other developing nations.

I am going to make a threat to accuse the USA!

Accuse us all you want, but if you've been truthful about your location and you tuly do live in Hong Kong then you should be paying attention to your own government more and pay attention to their problems as well. Everyone likes to pick on the US, but when they need something they're quick to point to the US to help out with it. I hate that mentality.

 

[Sheikah42]

bbson_john has been OWNED

 

[CptStern]

no he hasnt ..many of icarusintel's points arent all that appropriate and in some cases misleading or inaccurate

for example:

there was a fear that weapons Saddam had could have gotten into the hands of terrorists like Osama.

no that's not even remotely true because they knew he didnt have any

while I agree with some of his points I wouldnt call it owning

 

[Icarusintel]

no he hasnt ..many of icarusintel's points arent all that appropriate and in some cases misleading or inaccurate

for example:



no that's not even remotely true because they knew he didnt have any

while I agree with some of his points I wouldnt call it owning

I didn;t seek to own the guy at all, merely correct a few generalizations he made about the US.

Also, I've heard differing information from people I can't exactly quote since I'm pretty sure they weren't supposed to be telling me some of the things. And other things they merely hinted at. But suffice it to say Saddam had weapons at some point, though his capabilities were nowhere near what was claimed before the war.

 

[CptStern]

I didn;t seek to own the guy at all, merely correct a few generalizations he made about the US.

ya I know, I was talking to that other shieky guy

Also, I've heard differing information from people I can't exactly quote since I'm pretty sure they weren't supposed to be telling me some of the things. And other things they merely hinted at. But suffice it to say Saddam had weapons at some point, though his capabilities were nowhere near what was claimed before the war.

ya well I heard through some guy who worked for some other guy that who just so happened to be at the right place at the right time that he had some information but couldnt tell me because ...well ...just because

not making fun of you, just making the statement that hearsay is meaningless

however like it or not icarusintel those videos of Powell and Rice are a few months before 9/11 ..and since plans of invading iraq supposedly started on 9/11 that gave saddam only a few months to build the mass stockpiles the US claimed he had ..I mean these is no mistaking this:


Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003



and there's tons more direct quotes to go with that


the war was a lie start to finish ..there is an overabundance of direct evidence that proves that

 

[DEATH eVADER]

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003

I find this the most interesting comment made, at what source is that, somebody down at the local gym, or someone from a government agency

 

[Icarusintel]

ya well I heard through some guy who worked for some other guy that who just so happened to be at the right place at the right time that he had some information but couldnt tell me because ...well ...just because

not making fun of you, just making the statement that hearsay is meaningless

the war was a lie start to finish ..there is an overabundance of direct evidence that proves that

Well, yeah, hearsay certainly isn;t facts, but I've heard some of this from some very credible people. Going to a military school does have its advantages sometimes.

The war may very well have been made on false pretenses, but impeaching Bush doesn;t make everything right. And impeaching him with intent to kick him out of office just makes everything worse when Dick Cheney becomes prez. I'm sure you can agree with me on that point.

 

[CptStern]

I find this the most interesting comment made, at what source is that, somebody down at the local gym, or someone from a government agency

I think it was this guy





icarusintel: so the Secretary of Defense and the former secretary of State are less reliable than military personel? a recent poll said 85% of soldiers in iraq believed saddam was behind 9/11 ..forgive me if I take this with a grain of salt

 

[brink's]

grain of salt[/url]

You mean he wasn't.....OMG my universe is turning up side down, the very foundation of my inner being has no longer has any value, he wouldn't lie would he!!! look at that face http://www.feministing.com/bush_debate_poland.JPG
And i suppose all that phone tapping was against the constitution..pssh...right stern..give me a break.

 

[CptStern]

huh? who wouldnt lie? powell? rice? and what's this about wiretapping?

 

[brink's]

click the link

 

[CptStern]

and? I know what bush looks like

 

[DeusExMachina]

Bush was doing good with the operations in Afghanistan. That was a good decision. He had my support there.

Going into Iraq: Bad "WTF, did you pull that country out of a hat or something?" decision.

It's like our government has completely forgotten about Bin Laden.