Bush Impeachment Poll on MSNBC

[Icarusintel]

It's like our government has completely forgotten about Bin Laden.

Not really, it's just mostly SF guys that are after him, which is the way it should be. Using conventional forces in Afghanistan just wouldn;t work, look what happened to the Russians.

 

[DeusExMachina]

It would be nice if we could get a little update about the SF's progress.

 

[Icarusintel]

It would be nice if we could get a little update about the SF's progress.

I got to listen to General Brown who's in charge of all US SF operations and he said things were progressing well. He couldn;t go into too much detail, but he talked about all the public service projects the SF guys are doing to win over the population. They're getting rid of a lot of leftover Taliban and Al Qaeda without having to kill anyone.

 

[CptStern]

words fail me .....you cant possibly believe that

 

[Icarusintel]

words fail me .....you cant possibly believe that

Why shouldn;t I believe it? And don;t give me some crap that you just don;t trust any one in a position of authority saying that stuff. He didn;t have to tell us anything, but he chose to share some stuff with us.

 

[Pesmerga]

internet polls are fun

 

[DeusExMachina]

I got to listen to General Brown who's in charge of all US SF operations and he said things were progressing well. He couldn;t go into too much detail, but he talked about all the public service projects the SF guys are doing to win over the population. They're getting rid of a lot of leftover Taliban and Al Qaeda without having to kill anyone.

We're not doing like propoganda crap over there are we? I hate when we do that.

 

[Zeus]

Inside the u.s. here. Voted first option.

 

[Icarusintel]

We're not doing like propoganda crap over there are we? I hate when we do that.

We are always doing psych ops, that's one of the best ways to help solve the situation.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah but...it's not right >_>. The only way for people to see our way is to brainwash them with images and catchy one liners...it just makes me sick.

 

[Icarusintel]

Yeah but...it's not right >_>. The only way for people to see our way is to brainwash them with images and catchy one liners...it just makes me sick.

If it saves lives I don;t see a problem with it.

 

[Raeven0]

If it saves lives I don;t see a problem with it.

To put it another way, you believe the ends justify the means.

Asshole...

 

[Icarusintel]

To put it another way, you believe the ends justify the means.

Asshole...

You'd rather see more people die than have a few people's ideas changed?

 

[bbson john]

The battle in Iraq and Afghanistan can surely win the support of the local people since the two old governments was bad and liberticide. However, is this, having support of local citizens, mean that Bush's invasion in the two countries is correct and moral? I thought not.

Let me make a simile. One day, you saw a child was being beaten by his father. The child was feeling pain and you were really angry about it. And you had saw the father had been beating the child for several months. So what are you going to do? Go inside the child's house and murder his father?

Okay that's it. If you are wise, you know the answer and what to do, and what is the story's implication. I am not going to talk about the wars anymore since they were nothing but Bush's expedients to gain votes in the election and the means to cover the failure in containing most of the domestic problems in US.

Let's focus on my second statement.

if you've been truthful about your location and you tuly do live in Hong Kong then you should be paying attention to your own government more and pay attention to their problems as well.

Hitherto, the Hong Kong Government is doing pretty well in this aspect. Take the Kyoto Protocol as an example. Hong Kong is in China, so we only need to each the lower limit line for developing countries in emitting greenhouse gas and other pollutants (Not totally excluded). However, the Hong Kong Government decided to reach the stricter limit for developed countries despite the loophole of the Protocol. We do it for what? Surely for the environment. Anyway, I don't think somebody here will interested in what Hong Kong does since it is a small city in Far East and does not have so much power to change the whole environment.

Let's have a rethink: Why developing countries only need to reach a lower limit in Protocol?

The America, as if an advanced country, should not compare itself with developing countries. The USA should have the power, the money and the obligation to sign the Protocol and reach the stricter limit. I just don't understand why the USA refuse to take a step. If you wish to say China is releasing too much greenhouse gas, you should compare so with the emission of the USA. Compare the proportions of population to gas emission and to consumption of natural resources. The USA has a population of one hundred and thirty millions, i.e. 1/50 to the world population. However, the gas emitted is 1/4 of the world. 1/50 VS 1/4. Do you know how the USA are destroying the world? There is no comparison with other countries including China. As for the resource consumption, the USA is the champion as well, for sure. I cannot get an exact number for the time being. Yet I remember the ratio of American consumption to world consumption is about 1/3, which is totally unbearable. If you are an American, I wonder why don't you feel guilty and ashamed.

More, concerning the human rights, you must learn the fact. "The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women" is a convention from the UN which there are only ten countries didn't ratify it. America is one of the ten. And the "UN's Convention on the Rights of the Child" is a convention for children's rights which there are MERELY TWO countries did not ratify it AND AMERICA IS SUCKEN ONE OF THE TWAIN!!! Is that a retrogression of human rights? Yes, And America is the representative of the whole retrogression! The American is incapable of criticizing or judging the situation of human rights in other countries. What a shame to be an American!!!!! BLAHHHHHH!

p.s. Somalia does not ratify the UN's Convention on the Rights of the Child. You should compare Somalia with America, actually. China does sign the two conventions. And I admit there is a large space for improvement of human rights in China.

 

[Teta_Bonita]

blah blah blah america did it! blah blah bring down the western capatilist dogs! blah blah for the motherland! blah blah blah

Dude, you sound like you've been brainwashed... I'ts starting to scare me. D: D: D:

On the other hand, I probably sound brainwashed to the opposite party too. :E

 

[bbson john]

Dude, you sound like you've been brainwashed... I'ts starting to scare me. D: D: D:

On the other hand, I probably sound brainwashed to the opposite party too. :E

I hate someone quote thing that I have never said, like:

My twat is hot

Back to the topic, you should list out some arguments, not just saying hollow words. My arguments have nothing to do with capitalism, but the USA.

AND HONG KONG IS NO GODDAMN COMMUNISM!

 

[15357]

YES IT IS! COMMUNIST! FOR THE FATHERLAND! COMMIES ARE NOT HUMAN! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL. o

 

[bbson john]

YES IT IS! COMMUNIST! FOR THE FATHERLAND! COMMIES ARE NOT HUMAN! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL. o

Yes, I agree communists are suck. Lucky that I live in Hong Kong, I am a capitalist. You guys have no rationality, right? Especially when you heard the dark side of your country.

Take a look at this http://www.canadiancrc.com/UN_CRC_webpage/US_Convention.htm

or this http://www.womenstreaty.org/facts_home.htm

I am not bullshiting. The human rights in America is being pissed off.
You've overestimated the US Government, isn't it?

p.s. If your are American, you have consumed a stack of resources for twelve-people-per-day each day. Shameful, ya?

 

[CptStern]

Why shouldn;t I believe it?

why? because it's vague, gives no real information, and ends by saying everything is a-ok, which it's not

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1739850,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...il27.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/27/ixworld.html
http://www.rawa.org/health.htm
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002835694_afghanistan01.html
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news/press/15632.shtml
http://www.rawa.org/ai-wom05-2.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/01/world/main603219.shtml
http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2004/unisnar867.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12131924/


in fact today there was an incident where a rocket was launched at the US embassy in Kabul

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/na...0,222145.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines

And don;t give me some crap that you just don;t trust any one in a position of authority saying that stuff. He didn;t have to tell us anything, but he chose to share some stuff with us.

I'm not disputing everything he says just some of it ..like the fact that he said no one is killed during recent sweeps of taliban ..when just the other day:

Security forces backed by helicopters of the US-led coalition attacked a suspected Taliban hide-out in southeastern Afghanistan, sparking an intense battle that killed 41 rebels and six police officers, a senior official said yesterday.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...04/16/intense_battle_kills_47_in_afghanistan/

 

[bbson john]

I have put so much effort on this post. But it seems that no one understand me and my arguement.

 

[VictimOfScience]

And I admit there is a large space for improvement of human rights in China.

Hahaha! "You suck, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah, and we suck too." True dat.

Look, being Chinese, you should really be quite busy thanking us (the US) for giving you guys so many of our jobs. You should also thank us for buying the crap that you guys make for our own American companies. You should not be talking about resources though, seeing as how you are Saudi Arabia's #1 customer and one of the major reasons our current gas prices are so high.

No country is perfect. That's a given. China is far from perfect, as is the US. It just so happens that our current government shares many similarities with the new Palestinian government, and not only in terms of how money and dirty-deals got the leaders elected. I would not write-off an entire nation because of their supposed faith in their leaders. Many of us have completely lost faith in the leaders of this country and will be trying to effect change so that hopefully this year, Congress can move a little closer to the left of center rather than far to the right where it now sits. Change takes time and it has to start at the lower levels. Impeaching Bush would only serve to potentially make things worse now unfortunately (*looks with fear at Dick Cheney*). Stopping this current administration and pressuring them to change their foreign and environmental policies is up to voters in every district of the country, no matter how small. Change will trickle up from there and eventually we might just have an administration that can make us proud to be American once again....*crosses fingers*

Now note my sig...

 

[15357]

Yes, I agree communists are suck. Lucky that I live in Hong Kong, I am a capitalist. You guys have no rationality, right? Especially when you heard the dark side of your country.

Take a look at this http://www.canadiancrc.com/UN_CRC_webpage/US_Convention.htm

or this http://www.womenstreaty.org/facts_home.htm

I am not bullshiting. The human rights in America is being pissed off.
You've overestimated the US Government, isn't it?

p.s. If your are American, you have consumed a stack of resources for twelve-people-per-day each day. Shameful, ya?

I have no idea what that has to do with me(see location, btw), but glad to hear that you are a capitalist. :E

And I thought Hong Kong was china so, ... you know.

 

[bbson john]

Impeaching Bush would only serve to potentially make things worse now unfortunately

I am not saying that Bush has to be impeached. I am just trying to state there is hidden dark-side of the US Government, no matter it is in the Bush period or not. I am pretty happy with you that American like you still maintain the ability of self-rethinking. People are not so lucky in China. Chinese do not oppose their own country since they are brainwashed. Most of them just agree and comply what the leader of the country decided and ordered. The situation of China is quite grim.

Since there is Chinese-Communist Internet Agents, the CIA, in everywhere. Our messages concerning politics are going to be expunged automatically if we are in a Chinese forum. Fortunately, we are not.

No matter what, I still think the Environmental problems in America are unacceptable.

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

You can't trust internet polls

I voted yes.

 

[CptStern]

there's a link to a poll in this thread somewhere that only polls americans ...and votes for impeachment was still in the majority

 

[VictimOfScience]

I am not saying that Bush has to be impeached. I am just trying to show there is hidden dark side of the US Government, no matter it is the Bush period. I am pretty happy with you that American like you still maintain the ability of self-rethinking. People are not so lucky in China. They do not oppose their country since their are brainwashed. Most of them just agree and comply what the leader of the country decided and ordered. The situation of China is grim.

I still think the Evironmental problems in America are unacceptable.

Thank you. :thumbs: And I totally agree that people in both the US and China are indeed brainwashed/indoctrinated to think what the government bodies (corporations) tell them.

The recent wars are direct results of the government capitalizing of its nation's fear of further attacks for their own gains. Extremely selfish and completely without regard for the cost to humanity.

The situation in the US is grim as well, but until the black bags start coming over our heads, there will be many people voicing their opinion here. The sentiment seems to be growing too when you look at Karl Rove losing some of his ridiculous power and the presidential approval ratings (36%!). So if you feel that you absolutely MUST hate the US, try to stick to that 36 % or so.

 

[CptStern]

The situation in the US is grim as well, but until the black bags start coming over our heads, there will be many people voicing their opinion here.

only in certain areas

 

[VictimOfScience]

only in certain areas

Hahaha! Yikes! That's not funny!

Seriously though, there is enough dissent in this country (even if they don't do it at official functions) to hopefully motivate these like-minded individuals to talk to their neighbors, friends, colleagues, families, strangers about what is wrong and what needs to be done about it. If the P.A. ratings are anything to go by, many more people are becoming less-than-thrilled about how the current administration has almost single-handedly run our once proud nation into the ground. Its a war machine looking for profit profit profit at any cost for the chosen few, and the rest be damned. That's more or less how the world sees it I imagine.

The real voices will be heard at the polls later this year. I can only hope that as many people as possible that feel at all dissatisifed with the way their country is behaving educate themselves as to what candidates will be the most helpful in trying to right the wrongs that have been wrought on this country and the rest of the world lo these last few years and vote them into office. I've gotta get some grassroots going around here....

 

[mortiz]

Bush should be impeached, stripped naked, made to run through the streets of Baghdad (outside of the green zone) and then thrown out of office.

86% whew, the results speak for themselves.

 

[Tr0n]

lol, 86% .

I voted yes.

Same.

 

[Stieffers]

Bb_josh, you need a serious reality check. The United States may be the number one consumer, but we are also the number one producer. Thanks to our free democracy, we have outputted some of the most commonly used things in the world today. Every single one of your statements groups every single American into one category, of which you see fit to completely trash without any factually based information.

Posting "America sucks." does not help me to understand your argument whatsoever. All this does is provide me with a quote to prove your ignorance. Retorting insults is a low form of debate which should be left out of civilized conversations. I could easily go running around shouting, "CHINA COMMIES BASTARDS SUCK!!!!!!1111one1!", but that helps no one, and does nothing.

I'll let you have your silly little opinion about us big-bad American's, but answer me this. When you search on Google and use the phrases, "democracy", and "free", what pops up? When you go out in the streets and protest for a democratic government, what happens? What does the Chinese government and military do with an overly large group of school children protesting for a free society? What happens when you form an internet based clan without a lawyer? And lastly, what makes you so much better than me? We are all the same, and don't get that mixed up. For the record, I voted that Bush has made a few mistakes, but done nothing deserving of an impeachment.

 

[15357]

I'll let you have your silly little opinion about us big-bad American's, but answer me this. When you search on Google and use the phrases, "democracy", and "free", what pops up? When you go out in the streets and protest for a democratic government, what happens? What does the Chinese government and military do with an overly large group of school children protesting for a free society? What happens when you form an internet based clan without a lawyer? And lastly, what makes you so much better than me? We are all the same, and don't get that mixed up. For the record, I voted that Bush has made a few mistakes, but done nothing deserving of an impeachment.

That is the one thing that sucks about America. Why can't the feds mow people down with tanks when they protest over some stupid uninteresting shit?


But agreed about Bush.

 

[JNightshade]

I voted yes. Leaks to the press, illegal wiretapping, going to war on fabricated pretenses, exporting criminals to secret prisons... sounds like grounds for impeachment to me.

And yes, I know that he's not necessarily PERSONALLY responsible for all this. Of course not. The entire government is. Hell, the American public is (at least the percentage that voted him in). But you know what? If I could, I'd impeach them all. I would impeach every single naive motherf*cker who's unwilling to grasp that he has SERIOUSLY f*cked up. And I don't even care that you can't 'impeach' anyone but the actual president

 

[bbson john]

The United States may be the number one consumer, but we are also the number one producer. Thanks to our free democracy, we have outputted some of the most commonly used things in the world today. Every single one of your statements groups every single American into one category, of which you see fit to completely trash without any factually based information.

Of course, the US output the most, but my concern is, firstly, the energy consumption, like fossil fuel consumption. American really waste to much energy everyday. Secondly, it is not nomarl goods I am talking about. I am saying natural resources, like America consumes woods. And you can see, the American consume too much natural resources. The consumption of non-output materials is far greater than materials or goods you output. Like food, the America produces lots of food, but the domestic consumption is still far greater than that you output.

Posting "America sucks." does not help me to understand your argument whatsoever.

I am just trying not to make my post too serious. I am showing that I am not accusing. But you spoiled my plan.

When you search on Google and use the phrases, "democracy", and "free", what pops up?

When you search "miserable failure", what pops up?
Anyway, the Internet is not reliable. What pops up does not mean anything since there are porns pop up whenever I typed normal words.

When you go out in the streets and protest for a democratic government, what happens? What does the Chinese government and military do with an overly large group of school children protesting for a free society? What happens when you form an internet based clan without a lawyer? And lastly, what makes you so much better than me? We are all the same, and don't get that mixed up. For the record, I voted that Bush has made a few mistakes, but done nothing deserving of an impeachment.

First, I didn't say there is no democracy in US. There is well-developed democracy. I am saying the situation of human rights in the US is not good. It has nothing to do with whether the US is democratic or not.

Second, I didn't say I am superior. I did not deny that there are problems in China. I live in Hong Kong so I can still protest in all ways. But in China, protesters are all going to be arrested, undoubtedly. I didn't, and couldn't, deny the fact. I had admitted the democratic situation in China is very bad in the pervious posts. I am just reiterating that here. Yet, you cannot deny that the human rights in America is not good since I have mentioned there are a few important treaties of human rights which the US did not ratify. What this shows? I have just left it at that.

Lastly, I have said that I am not going to impeach Bush. I am talking about the general situation in the USA. Not just what Bush has done.

 

[Raziaar]

First, I didn't say there is no democracy in US. There is well-developed democracy. I am saying the situation of human rights in the US is not good. It has nothing to do with whether the US is democratic or not.

I happen to enjoy tons of human rights. Maybe you should live here before you judge our way of life based on outside sources. Not everything here is perfect, just like every country.

 

[bbson john]

I happen to enjoy tons of human rights. Maybe you should live here before you judge our way of life based on outside sources. Not everything here is perfect, just like every country.

There is difference in this human rights and that human rights. See what I have mentioned in my pervious posts.

Anyway, have you ever heard of blacks get beaten by police for no reason?

You should try living in Hong Kong. You would not get wiretapped.

 

[VirusType2]

bbson_john, whatever you posted about Americans consuming 12x what normal humans use seems ridiculous and unbelievable. I know that I don't waste fuel, I turn off lights when I leave the room, and I hardly eat anything. I would guess that I eat 1/4 or .25 as much as some people. In the news it says many Americans are over-weight. Well if you are over weight then you need to eat more. 12 times more? I don't have 12 stomachs, and I don't drive 12 cars, not 6 and 6 either. I think if you are going to start an argument that we consume 12 times more than any other country, then you need to provide a credible source or it is a total fallacy. While I have no trouble believing that it is more than likely true that Americans consume more than the average human on earth, I do not believe that we consume 12x more, unless you are comparing the average American to the average 3rd world country where they starve to death, don't have electricity, and don't drive vehicles.

In Hong Kong are they designing vehicles to make better fuel economy? We are. Are they producing healthy foods that keep people healthy and the correct weight? We do. What does Hong Kong do for the environment? What types of food grow in Hong Kong?

In Hong Kong you don't pollute as much? Well I've got news, America is the 3rd largest nation on earth. Hong Kong is about 6,000,000 times smaller.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=United+States+Size

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Hong+Kong+Size

I guess you don't have to drive very far to work? I guess if Hong Kong were 6,000,000 larger - roughly the size of the US, you might have a big pollution problem as well. What kinds of cars are driven there? Electric? You probably don't need a car. I know that I had to drive 150 miles (241.2 kilometers) to work and 150 miles back home from work everyday until I eventually decided it would be better to just be unemployed and seek support from my family until I could get a job closer to home. The Hispanics are tough competition though, they will work twice as hard, for half as much money in my line of work (home building). My only advantage is that I spoke english? And most of the time, I was at a disadvantage because I didn't speak Spanish! They we all very nice to me, I made many friends, and learned some spanish

So this is another issue in America - illegal immigrants. I feel they need to fill out paperwork to become a citizen just like anyone else around the world has to do. The fact that they have illegally entered America means that they are not required by law to be paid a minimum amount. Therefore, since they are illegally here, they will take whatever money they can get, and corrupt buisinesses love this. They can work them like hell, and pay them very little, illegally, and the US government does not recieve any tax money from this like every other American citizen. For in Mexico, El Salvador, and other primarily hispanic countries, they make for example $4 US per day, where in America, they make $11 US per HOUR. Maybe the US can adopt Mexico or something. Anyhow, this is another discussion.

Back on topic, there is no denying that transportation pollution is a big problem here, however you can sleep soundly knowing that we have 10,000's of scientists, and 10,000's of politicians more passionate than you, who are working to do whatever they can to fix this problem. Thank your God/s for the internet, which allows more and more people - like my brother, and his wife, to work from home without having to drive anywhere. This is MY dream job as well, as a web programmer - or really, any computer programmer who works from home.


You keep screaming about human rights, let me say a few things. You say the American Government tortures people. Well, our forms of torture are like a pleasure cruise compared to most other country. And they are not allowed, and anyone that tortures anyone in this country should be brought up on crimes. Some have been, and the full extent of investigation, prosecution, and punishment has not been seen yet.

Does your country not just go ahead and execute people in the street still or something? Tell us about your country. Here is what comes up, and it doesn't sound very safe there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Hong+Kong+punishment

[In Hong Kong, in the year 2000] The Government's human rights record throughout the year remained poor and the Government continued to commit numerous and serious abuses.

[In Hong Kong] In 2000 officials stated that there were approximately 1,300 individuals in prisons serving sentences under the Law Against Counterrevolutionary Activity, a crime that no longer exists; many of these persons were imprisoned for the non-violent expression of their political views. According to Amnesty International (AI) 211 persons remain in prison for their activities during the June 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations. Since December 1998, at least 30 leaders of the China Democracy Party (CDP) have been given long prison sentences on subversion charges.

Some of those who completed their [illegaly imposed prison] sentences and were released from prison were kept under surveillance and prevented from taking employment or otherwise resuming normal lives. Authorities also harassed and monitored the activities of dissident's relatives

Please don't be so concerned about the US signing a form that prevents children (anyone under 18) from the death penalty? Allow me to make a comparison. Please comprehend. Do you know that the US does not negotiate with terrorists? It's a policy to prevent terrorists from using something as leverage to get what they want.

The theory works like this, for example: a terrorist kidnaps (captures) the president's daughter, and wants something political in return. The entire nation is compromised for one person. Is that fair to the millions of others that live here? No. Therefore, our policy is that we do not negotiate with terrorists. This means that there is no point in kidnapping, or other acts of blackmail against us, and you are only digging your grave by doing so.

Now, with that said, I will make my comparison. Now in the human rights document that America won't sign, we have 'children' here who could be 17 years and 11 months old - one month younger than an adult! Now if that child has been in trouble often while growing up, and has been in juvenile (underage) prison, he may feel comfortable with this life. For our prisons - in some cases, are nicer than living in some countries, and surely better than starving to death sleeping on the street. Now this child who is not 18 yet may think to himself, I don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life, I'm going to shoot this bank cashier dead and take a chance. I might get a load of money and get away with it, and if I get caught, hell, prison is better than my life.

Finally, do you understand? There is no guarantee that he won't be put to death. This is a deterrent for committing the crime in the first place. To some people, life in prison is the worst punishment, and to others, it's the death sentence, so in the USA, we've got all the bases covered. Just look at the Moussaoui trial. Whichever punishment fits the crime. Just because people under 18 might be put to death, that doesn't mean they will, and if they are - they freaking deserved it! Unlike Iran (the only other country to not have signed the form you criticize us for) where it sounds like a girl gets raped and so she is put to death for infidelity to her husband! OMG THE Lunacy! Why don't you write a nice letter to Iran protesting this? I actually DID. And will it stop her from being put to death? Well, it was worth compromising the security of my personal information to try. My personal information is worth risking because honestly my life is less valuable to me than some innocent little girl in Iran that I've never met.

If a child goes on a rampage killing 1,000 people, if he was put to death, I wouldn't have any objection, and I myself don't fully believe in the death penalty. I only believe in the death penalty if there is 100% certainty that the individual committed the crime, and if the punishment fits the crime entirely. There were too many cases where someone was found to be innocent after the accused was put to death.

Now what I'm thinking is that the other reason that we do not need to sign a form for human rights, everyone here just lives by them. We sign that form and we are giving away our freedoms to change things in government as needed, at least that is how I would see it. If we sign that form and suddenly deadly crime among teenagers jumps 1,000% , then we can't change it back because we signed the form saying we couldn't.

You say that America sucks, but I feel that is the greatest country on Earth, and I wouldn't want to live any where else. I hope that we can improve some of the things that you don't like, so that we can better serve you in the future.

Anyway, have you ever heard of blacks get beaten by police for no reason?

Yes, and it is a very serious crime here. What is the point of this statement?

 

[Raziaar]

I guess he thinks racism is only prevailent in america... when in fact its far more widespread elsewhere.

 

[bbson john]

I must express my frustration and desperation since you have seriously contorted the meaning of my pervious passage. I have no time to point them all out, anyway.

In the pollution issue, I did not merely focus on the transportation pollution. The industrial areas and power plants are also the sources of pollution. The problem is that the US Government does not show much intention on reducing pollutant. The greenhouse gas released is still out of proportion to the population of the America. This phenomenon is not widely seen in other places. This shows that it is the problem of the US Government, rather than a general matter. I understand this problem cannot can resolved easily. However, I believe the US Government can put much more effort on it than used to be.

You cannot compare you the area of America with the area of Hong Kong. Since there is a large area in America is desert, rural area or low-density residential district. Only an extremely small percentage of territory in america is cities. There is no comparison.

I did not say Internet is useless. But most of the information in Internet is not reliable. Of course, I have my Internet Connection installed in order to play HL:2. Internet is useful. But the information on it is not always reliable.

As for the food consumption, you must learn the fact that not everybody in the world has there stomach fully filled. Most of the people in the world are in starvation. The US Government always leaves its people's stomach over-full and refuses to donate money or food to foreign countries. You should take North-Asia tsunami disaster as an example.

I am sure there are abuses in China, but not in Hong Kong. However, the Hong Kong, as a part of China, most hand in the report with Chinese report altogether. I hope you won't mix them up. I don't believe there is such abuse in Hong Kong. Well... actually I don't have time to read the link. If I have any mistake, point it out.

At last, the death penalty issue, it is a difficult problem. Let me just make a simple example, if a teenager killed several people when he was young, it is obvious that the teenager was not mature enough. Why we have to refuse to give a chance to the teenager after he is grown up? Why we have to refuse to give a chance to the teenager after he is maturer? I am saying the teenager may determined to repent and redeem what he did after he grow up. If we executed him, he will not have a chance to grow up, even if he will feel guilty after he grow up.

p.s. Did you feel ashemed when you compare your own country with an undeveloped country ruled by communist party?

 

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In the pollution issue, I did not merely focus on the transportation pollution. The industrial areas and power plants are also the sources of pollution. The problem is that the US Government does not show much intention on reducing pollutant. The greenhouse gas released is still out of proportion to the population of the America. This phenomenon is not widely seen in other places. This shows that it is the problem of the US Government, rather than a general matter. I understand this problem cannot can resolved easily. However, I believe the US Government can put much more effort on it than used to be.

OK. I do not disagree with you. I focused on the transportation pollution because that is the only one I am familiar with.

You cannot compare you the area of America with the area of Hong Kong. Since there is a large area in America is desert, rural area or low-density residential district. Only an extremely small percentage of territory in America is cities. There is no comparison.

You only pointed out some things you don't like about America, and in conclusion you say that America SUCKS. So, I ask, what is so great about Hong Kong? Do you have some ideas? We are fully aware of our problems, pointing then out is like calling the fat kid fat. Unless you have some advice then it's really just name calling, in fact thats exactly what you have done, literally and figuratively.

I did not say Internet is useless. But most of the information in Internet is not reliable. Of course, I have my Internet Connection installed in order to play HL:2. Internet is useful. But the information on it is not always reliable.

I didn't say internet is useless, I said exactly the opposite! Please read it again. I said the internet may reduce our traffic pollution a great deal - with many more Americans seeing that it is much cheaper to work on the internet at home, instead of commuting to the city in our cars, sitting in traffic.

As for the food consumption, you must learn the fact that not everybody in the world has there stomach fully filled. Most of the people in the world are in starvation. The US Government always leaves its people's stomach over-full and refuses to donate money or food to foreign countries. You should take North-Asia tsunami disaster as an example.

Yes, I know people are starving around the world. People are starving on our streets as well. I do not starve, but this is not the doing of the US government, this is the doing of ME. America is capitalist. The land of opportunity. You go to work, you make money, you buy your food, and the lucky ones have money left for a place to live.

The US donates more money to foreign countries than you may realize, and donates more money than we can afford to give, and what you don't see is that American citizens themselves create opportunities to donate money outside of government. What seemed every single store, and many non-profit organizations create huge donations for the Tsunami relief. That is not shown when you see what our government donated. We have huge disasters here all the time, do other countries do anything to us to help out?

I am sure there are abuses in China, but not in Hong Kong. However, the Hong Kong, as a part of China, most hand in the report with Chinese report altogether. I hope you won't mix them up. I don't believe there is such abuse in Hong Kong. Well... actually I don't have time to read the link. If I have any mistake, point it out.

Well I knew nothing about Hong Kong until this morning, so if anything is inaccurate, I'm sure you will prove it. It said Hong Kong. Anyhow, it seemed that you were saying America is some evil peice of shit, so I assumed that Hong Kong must be really great. However, after doing a little research, it seems Hong Kong has great troubles as well, and further makes me feel fortunate to live here.

At last, the death penalty issue, it is a difficult problem. Let me just make a simple example, if a teenager killed several people when he was young, it is obvious that the teenager was not mature enough. Why we have to refuse to give a chance to the teenager after he is grown up? Why we have to refuse to give a chance to the teenager after he is maturer? I am saying the teenager may determined to repent and redeem what he did after he grow up. If we executed him, he will not have a chance to grow up, even if he will feel guilty after he grow up.

As I said, just because we have a death penalty, the only way to get the death penalty sentence is to do something we deem extremely reprehensible, and I don't care if you are 14 years old, If you were to kill your entire family, or kill dozens of people, why should you get another chance at life? What about all the people that are dead that don't get another chance? They didn't have a chance or a choice, they were murdered. The killer had the choice not to do it. That said, most always children AND adults get another chance, unless they don't deserve it. America has some of the most lenient penalties, you should take a look at Singapore or something!

p.s. Did you feel ashemed when you compare your own country with an undeveloped country ruled by communist party?

I didn't start the comparison, you did. You said the USA sucks and blah blah blah, and there is no way to say something sucks unless you have something to compare it to. I can quote you as comparing the US to Hong Kong, so.. HUH? And why would I feel ashamed? If anything I am ashamed of America's past - not because we have smog and a death penalty.

Do not mistake me as anything more than an American citizen, for that is all I am. I am one person here in on the planet.

Everyone in the world is overly concerned about what America is doing. Why isn't the big problems anyone's concern? In some countries there is genocide! Apartheid! To this day! Why doesn't anyone debate this? Why are 90% of the topics in any Political forum around the world seem to be concerning The United States of America? Surely other countries have something interesting going on! There are people starving around the world, including IN THE USA. We are just trying to survive too. We are not some magical place that everyone expects us to be, we are people just like you! What I am saying is that of course we can use some improvement, everyone acts like it was some big discovery about what America is doing. What about what other countries are doing? Personally, I have enough problems to deal with on my own here than to be so concerned about what other countries are doing. I don't have time to familiarize myself with 191+ nations, but it seems all of these 191+ nations on earth have concerned themselves, and have - or think they have - familiarized themselves with USA. I find it especially ironic that people from other countries with huge problems would act like their shit doesn't stink, when - if you do a little research, you will find that their countries probably have much bigger problems!

I do not think of other people around the world any different than me. I have had friends from other countries, I've gone to school with them, and we are all living on Earth together and I want the Earth to be clean and safe for as long as the Sun burns - and more importantly, I want the Human race to survive beyond that.

I'm sorry for the Smog, this is imposing on the entire world. We are working on it. It starts with each person, you can't expect your government to just fix everything. I know my brother just got a 2006 Honda Hybrid. I think he said the batteries were $3000 or $8000 US! But he paid for the extended warranty that will replace them. The engine does not run when the car is stopped for any reason, and of course has very environment friendly emissions. Myself, I plan to buy a motorcycle, and use that, except to buy groceries.