Bush Impeachment Poll on MSNBC

I am disgusted that someone would say americans consume 12 times more resources than an 'average' human being. I don't eat 12 times the amount as a 'normal' human as you put it. What, do you think we have 8 stomachs or something? In fact, I'm 135 lbs and 5'9''. Also, I turn off my computer every day/night/time I leave the house and the TV as well. So I don't see how I consume 12 times more resources than some guy living in germany or the UK.

p.s. - please post the link to where you got that americans consume 12 times more resources than everyone else.
 
Zeus said:
I am disgusted that someone would say americans consume 12 times more resources than an 'average' human being. I don't eat 12 times the amount as a 'normal' human as you put it. What, do you think we have 8 stomachs or something? In fact, I'm 135 lbs and 5'9''. Also, I turn off my computer every day/night/time I leave the house and the TV as well. So I don't see how I consume 12 times more resources than some guy living in germany or the UK.

p.s. - please post the link to where you got that americans consume 12 times more resources than everyone else.
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Though accounting for only 5 percent of the world's population, Americans consume 26 percent of the world's energy.

America uses about 15 times more energy per person than does the typical developing country.

The United States consumes about 17 million barrels of oil per day, of which nearly two-thirds is used for transportation.

Only 7.5 percent of total U.S. energy consumption came from renewable sources in 1998. Of that total, 94 percent was from hydropower and biomass (trash and wood incinerators). (U.S. Energy Information Administration)

Within 15 years, renewable energy could be generating enough electricity to power 40 million homes and offset 70 days of oil imports.
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Source

Well?
 
Solaris said:

Source

Well?
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That says developing countries. A developing nation refers to a nation with low income...basically a poor nation. Here is a list of developing countries

http://www.ams.org/membership/develop.html

So now we're comparing the USA to countries such as Cuba, Libya, and Iraq? Lol. I thought we were comparing energy consumption to countries such as the UK, france, germany, canada, ect. I didn't know his idea of an 'average human being' was someone who lives in a third world country.
 
I'm 6 feet tall, and I weigh under 150 pounds. While I admit that I probably do eat more than all of Sierra Leone combined, that's not saying much. I don't eat a lot. I eat healthily, as well. In the future, please refrain from grouping everybody together like that. It's stereotyping, and it's not nice.
 
Zeus said:
That says developing countries. A developing nation refers to a nation with low income...basically a poor nation. Here is a list of developing countries

http://www.ams.org/membership/develop.html

So now we're comparing the USA to countries such as Cuba, Libya, and Iraq? Lol. I thought we were comparing energy consumption to countries such as the UK, france, germany, canada, ect. I didn't know his idea of an 'average human being' was someone who lives in a third world country.
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That's one.

what about

- Though accounting for only 5 percent of the world's population, Americans consume 26 percent of the world's energy.
 
Solaris said:
That's one.

what about

- Though accounting for only 5 percent of the world's population, Americans consume 26 percent of the world's energy.
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LIke half of the worlds nations hardly even have electricity or a road system do they? 6,511,574,436 <---- this many people on earth - source

How much energy do other nations use? Canada uses the most energy in the world.

Russia, Canada, USA. The three largest nations. The most energy used. No surprise here.

It sounds like Wind power is the way to go though. Amazing. Something so simple as a pinwheel blowing in the breeze. Nothing to burn. Nothing to pollute. Sad really, this hasn't been used more extensively. It seems alternative, clean energy is finally being taken serious. The problem was - the reason it wasn't used, is because oil was so cheap. Take away the low price and now we have our perspective.

Things will start changing, it takes time. As a child in school (23 years ago), I was amazed by solar energy and reading books on the future, but every single source claimed that solar energy panels were wildly expensive, pretty much ruining its chances of catching hold. I think its starting to sound cheaper by the dozen, solar energy is going to become more prevalent as well.

I mean, yes of course we care about the environment and such, but we are all just barely making it here in the US as well. When we put a new water heater on the charge card, does it make sense to spend 3 times more for solar powered? If you can't afford it you can't afford it. Well, now maybe, because cheap oil is gone - unless you live in Venezuela where it is .12 US per gallon! (CNN)
Wind power is the fastest-growing energy source in the world. (Worldwatch Institute)

The wind in North Dakota, USA alone could produce a third of America's electricity. (The Official Earth Day Guide to Planet Repair)

Wind power has the potential to supply a large fraction--probably at least 20%--of U.S. electricity demand at an economical price.

In 1990, California's wind power plants offset the emission of more than 2.5 billion pounds of carbon dioxide, and 15 million pounds of other pollutants that would have otherwise been produced.
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Sounds good. Lets make it happen Cap'n.
 
I vote that unless you've lived in America or paid an extended visit, you shut the hell up because you couldn't possibly be justified in talking about what you do (that was to our Hong Kong friend).
 
As an aside, I don't see how anyone's generalising.
You talk about the whole country, obviously you're not talking about every individual person within it.
Same as if you say 'Americans consume the most resources'. That just means in general, surely? I mean you'd have to be pretty crazy not to make a statement like that without taking it for granted that there are exceptions to every rule.
When you're talking statistics...then it's obviously in general.
And note that Chinese Dude said 'America sucks' and not 'All Americans suck'. He's talking about a country in general, not every single inhabitant.
Britain sucks.
 
I didn't say that all americans are fat. And I know there are a lot of sexy ladies in the America. But Americans really eat more than others. The hamburgers in America are really much bigger than those in Hong Kong.

To conclude, America is consuming the most energy and food. It is a widely known fact. You should check out the information in detail. It is another problem whether the US Government can solve it. Actually, we all are not qualified to judge at that. So I leave it at that.

I think the arguement goes too destructive and aggressive. So let's draw our sight onto another interesting issue.

Let's have a view in the future. I don't believe the future energy source will be solar energy. Solar power energy is inefficient and uneconomical. Have you ever heard of nuclear fusion power? I strongly believe nclear fusion will replace fossil fuel and become the next most widely utilized energy source. If the development of nuclear source succeeds, both America and China will earn the credit. A part from this, the worldwide energy crisis and pollution problem will be resolved, instantly. I am really looking forwards to that.

In addition, I don't understand why some environmental groups always oppose the development of nuclear fusion plant. Nuclear fusion is totally clean. But the environmental groups persist in constructing wind power generators and solar power generators. They are WRONG. Wind power generators cause noise pollution. And solar power is inefficient. And they destroy the scenery of landscape. Therefore, nuclear fusion is the best. I really don't understand how some environmental groups work.
 
bbson_john said:
In addition, I don't understand why some environmental groups always oppose the development of nuclear fusion plant. Nuclear fusion is totally clean. But the environmental groups persist in constructing wind power generators and solar power generators. They are WRONG. Wind power generators cause noise pollution. And solar power is inefficient. And they destroy the scenery of landscape. Therefore, nuclear fusion is the best. I really don't understand how some environmental groups work.
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I think its nuclear fission plants that they have a problem with, not nuclear fusion.
 
The whole of Africa and Latin America will be given over to growing crops to manufacture biodiesel. Unfortunately, this'll mean that more land is given over to biodiesel than for food. Their economies will feed more cars than people. It will be a humanitarian disaster. But hey, we'll circumvent the oil crash.

Alternatively, we shall scontinue selling Che Guavera T-shirts until he is spinning in his grave at such a frequency that, when connected to a dynamo, he will provide a sustainable and infinite source of energy for the Western world.
 
gick said:
I think its nuclear fission plants that they have a problem with, not nuclear fusion.
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They said that fusion plants have problem. That is so perplexing.
 
Modern environmentalists are in favour of Nuclear Fission actually. According to my Environmental Science mate.
 
Sulkdodds said:
The whole of Africa and Latin America will be given over to growing crops to manufacture biodiesel. Unfortunately, this'll mean that more land is given over to biodiesel than for food. Their economies will feed more cars than people. It will be a humanitarian disaster. But hey, we'll circumvent the oil crash.

Alternatively, we shall scontinue selling Che Guavera T-shirts until he is spinning in his grave at such a frequency that, when connected to a dynamo, he will provide a sustainable and infinite source of energy for the Western world.
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brazil has been using biodiesel (ethanol) for years now, a big part of their farming land is used for crops (sugar cane) to used in biodiesel.

http://cesp.stanford.edu/news/brazi...ethanol_from_sugar_cane_says_victor_20060207/
 
kirovman said:
Modern environmentalists are in favour of Nuclear Fission actually. According to my Environmental Science mate.
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SOME environmentalists go against all particle tests. Including fusion, they determined that we all have to use wind or power generators. They just don't understand. I hate environmentalists therefore.
 
bbson_john said:
SOME environmentalists go against all particle tests. Including fusion, they determined that we all have to use wind or power generators. They just don't understand. I hate environmentalists therefore.
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Fission, Fusion - I really don't know all that much about it except that nuclear energy is a great source of power but it is extremely dangerous.

Here is an example of a real nuclear power plant accident:
66,000 deaths feared; Chernobyl has long-term effects
LONDON (AFP): The long-term effects of the Chernobyl disaster could cause up to 66,000 extra deaths from cancer, 15 times more than UN officials predicted last year, two British scientists have claimed. Nearly 20 years after the world’s worst-ever nuclear accident, the impact of the 1986 catastrope on the world beyond the borders of the erstwhile Soviet Union may never be fully realised. The study, commissioned by Greens in the European Parliament, claims that more than half of the fallout landed outside Belarus, Ukraine and Russia — contaminating about 34 percent of the British land mass alone.

Restrictions are still in place on 374 farms covering 750 square kilometres as well as 200,000 sheep in Britain. Throughout Europe, a total area of 3.9 million square kilometres was contaminated. The findings were published in a report, “The Other Report on Chernobyl”, which was to be discussed at a conference in London on Saturday ahead of next week’s 20th anniversary of the disaster. Penned by British scientists Ian Fairlie and David Sumner, it claims that up to 66,000 people around the world could die from cancer due to Chernobyl, on top of the number who would normally die from cancer.
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Throughout Europe, a total area of 3.9 million square kilometres was contaminated.
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These are numbers for Cancer alone.

If you really dig up some dirt, that have pictures and movies of children who were exposed - this really shows more than the quote I put here. It's really ****ing sad to see these images, so I didn't post any.
 
bbson_john said:
I have to really show my anger despite my unacceptably bad English!!!

America sucks. First, American claim themselves are the international police. However, it sounds like the USA is an international terrorist after the wars it provoked in Iraq and Afghanistan. America declared war on another country without having an approval from the United Nations. The act of America is internationlly illegal.

Bush claims that there are mass destructive weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan but the truth is that the assertion is of no basis. In other words, there is no mass destructive weapons. Moreover, Bush said Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are complicit. Yet I have learned the fact that Hussein is essentially an enemy of Laden. How can there be any possible complicity? This two facts show Bush is a fraud.

Second, it has come to my attention that the precedent presidents of America has shown no respect on any international protocols or covenants. America did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, treaty of sustainable development, treaties of basic human rights, treaty for abolishment of tortures, and more, treaty of women rights, which there are only very few countries left it unsigned, the USA is one of them. Amercia should have signed such basic treaties undoubtedly, for the mother nature or for humaity. However, the America refuses to do so. Why? I don't understand, REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Why America keep trying to doom the world via releasing so must greenhouse gas? Why the America keeps on exerting cruel torture? Why the America allows such retrogression of human rights in itself? Why? What is the difference between the America and Iraq? What is the difference between the America and some developing totalitarian countries? There is absolutly no difference. America SUCKS!!! SUCKSSSS!

I am going to make a threat to accuse the USA!
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Bush sucks. Bush voters suck. America is wonderful. We are better than every other country on Earth in almost all respects. A lot of other countries are great too - I'm not saying they aren't. I'm simply saying that we have definitely the most varied geography (so we have all the scenic areas that other countries have) and we have our own versions of nearly every import. Oil, food, building resources, etc. We have the best education, and we have the most freedom (well, until very recently, but that WILL change back.)

Now, YES, a LOT of Americans are morons. Per capita, most European countries are smarter than America. But those who do become educated in America far exceed anyone from other countries (on the whole.) If you want to learn to be a professional at something, whether you want to be a scientist, a doctor, an actor, or a golfer - you come to America.

And by the way, Hong Kong is one of the most attrocious polluters on the planet, so you don't really have a leg to stand on for that statement.
 
Glo-Boy said:
We are better than every other country on Earth in almost all respects.
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your point would have been better served had you not made that statement ..there's no way you can back it up and it just comes across as an emotional statement that cant possibly be verified ...not to mention it leaves you open to criticism that your statement just isnt true in a lot of respects
 
I don't think this bit is true.

Glo-Boy said:
But those who do become educated in America far exceed anyone from other countries (on the whole.)
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VirusType2 said:
For our prisons - in some cases, are nicer than living in some countries, and surely better than starving to death sleeping on the street. Now this child who is not 18 yet may think to himself, I don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life, I'm going to shoot this bank cashier dead and take a chance. I might get a load of money and get away with it, and if I get caught, hell, prison is better than my life.

Finally, do you understand? There is no guarantee that he won't be put to death. This is a deterrent for committing the crime in the first place. To some people, life in prison is the worst punishment, and to others, it's the death sentence, so in the USA, we've got all the bases covered.
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That is undoubtably one of the most retarded arguments against signing a human rights document I have ever seen. Please never ever sully this forum by posting any more of this kind of drivel again.
 
Glo-Boy said:
I'm simply saying that we have definitely the most varied geography (so we have all the scenic areas that other countries have)
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Well that mainly down to luck - hardly a measure of how great a country is. North Korea has some nice scenery, but nobody wants to live there.

We have the best education
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Thats debateable. There are lots of countries with literacy rates equal to or higher than the US, and you only go to a good school if you're lucky enough to be born in a rich area. Good universities and scientists though.

and we have the most freedom (well, until very recently, but that WILL change back.)
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Well aside from the patriot act and all that stuff, the US has extremely authoritarian drug laws, you cant get married to somebody if you happen to be the same gender and in some states you can't even drink alcohol until you're 21. It doesnt even have the most economic freedom.

People in the US have lots of freedom, but no way in hell do you have 'the most' freedom. The US is a great country, one that I wouldn't mind living in myself, but it is by no means the 'best'. Top 5 easily, but number 1? No.
 
American's should be forced to endure Bush for the next few years to make them pay and suffer for voting him into office, they all knew what they were getting the second time round and half of them still voted for him...
 
Razor said:
American's should be forced to endure Bush for the next few years to make them pay and suffer for voting him into office, they all knew what they were getting the second time round and half of them still voted for him...
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I was quite surprized he won tbh. I was like, "wtf? do any of you guys voting watch the news?" I mean initially Kerry came off as a total douche, but he really showed bush up at the debates IMO.
 
Glo-Boy said:
And by the way, Hong Kong is one of the most attrocious polluters on the planet, so you don't really have a leg to stand on for that statement.
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Any evidence? Any proof?
I have information from WHO that the America is responsible for 1/4 poillution of the world, you?
There is no industry in Hong Kong, how can there be any serious pollution? I am fear lest you don't know where or what is Hong Kong! You are SO hilarious!!! :LOL:
 
From wikipedia:

Carbon Emissions

USA
Total - 5,872,278 (1000's of metric tons)
Per Capita - 20.6 metric tons. Ranked 7th in the world.

Hong Kong
Total - 35,458 (1000's of metric tons)
Per Capita - 4.9 metric tons. Ranked 71st in the world.

Make of that what you will.......
 
America is polluted but is definately not the worst. And its definately not the cause of all the worlds problems like bbson_john thinks it is. Our hamburgers are bigger? You guys have these http://hongkong.neuerordner.de/archiv/000139/PICT2302_mcdonalds.jpg in hong kong to don't you?

Northeast america, most of europe, and east asia are all big concerns as far as pollution goes. The numbers really don't matter in the big picture anyway. America alone solving its pollution would hardly make a difference in the end if no one else did.
 
Sainku said:
America is polluted but is definately not the worst. And its definately not the cause of all the worlds problems like bbson_john thinks it is. Our hamburgers are bigger?
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You misunderstood my meaning. I mean the hamburgers in America are bigger than the hambugers in Hong Kong in McDonald, and in all other fast food shops. You will never understand how small the hambugers in Hong Kong are in comparison with the America. The coke and hambugers and chips in American are really a jambo size. I have seen it in some websites and TV programmes.

Sainku said:
You guys have these http://hongkong.neuerordner.de/archiv/000139/PICT2302_mcdonalds.jpg in hong kong to don't you?
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awsome picture. Western culture mixed with Chinese culture.
 
you can buy beer at McDonalds in madrid ...the food is better quality ..doesnt taste exactly the same but it's better quality ..which really isnt saying much because it's mcdonalds after all
 
In England they've managed to completely defeat the point of fast food by taking both the 'fast' and the 'food' out of the equation.
 
If I were supreme ruler of the universe, the only fast food allowed would be Wendy's and Taco Bell.
 
bbson_john said:
You misunderstood my meaning. I mean the hamburgers in America are bigger than the hambugers in Hong Kong in McDonald, and in all other fast food shops. You will never understand how small the hambugers in Hong Kong are in comparison with the America. The coke and hambugers and chips in American are really a jambo size. I have seen it in some websites and TV programmes.


awsome picture. Western culture mixed with Chinese culture.
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Don't believe everything you see on TV. The hamburgers in McDonald's here in USA are so thin, they are almost see-through! (transparent) look it up in the dictionary if you don't know homey (friend)
 
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