Bush looking to halt election in case of terror attack! DISTURBING!

[Direwolf]

While politics is often conducted on the level of farcical shenanigans I'm always amazed by peoples willingness to simplify everything down to the lowest common denominator. 'Bush is a wanker' is the cause the the world's problems? I mean come on.

 

[Some_God]

Hopefully this wont happen...

 

[The Mullinator]

I can't stand how so many people consider Bush the root of all evil, that he is conspiring to conquer the world and become world dictator. Seriously that is the attitude that so many people take on that whole issue, I will say right now that I don't think Bush is a good president, I don't think it was good that he was elected, but I don't think he is a bad person. If you ask me he is just in the wrong job, most of the bad decisions that have come from him could probably be related more to his advisors.

I also love how people insult American leadership both past and present, generalize Americans, and then have the nerve to call Americans stupid when they get upset and try to fight back, people from every country have national pride and they don't take kindly to people that insult their country in any way shape or form. It truly is pathetic how arguments like this one occur world wide every single day.

 

[ShadowFox]

I can't stand how so many people consider Bush the root of all evil, that he is conspiring to conquer the world and become world dictator. Seriously that is the attitude that so many people take on that whole issue, I will say right now that I don't think Bush is a good president, I don't think it was good that he was elected, but I don't think he is a bad person. If you ask me he is just in the wrong job, most of the bad decisions that have come from him could probably be related more to his advisors.

I also love how people insult American leadership both past and present, generalize Americans, and then have the nerve to call Americans stupid when they get upset and try to fight back, people from every country have national pride and they don't take kindly to people that insult their country in any way shape or form. It truly is pathetic how arguments like this one occur world wide every single day.

That was refreshing. For my money Canada is the best neighbor ever. I mean, you guys gave us hockey!

 

[Adidajs]

Hmmmm.....i don't think anyone else has picked up what exactly this story actually means or just jumped to wild conclusions. The department of Homeland security are looking at if it would be a possible, in case of a large attack against the American government buildings, etc, if they would be able to delay the elections. This means that if Congress is blown up and many people killed, the election would be delayed till next year. It does not mean:

1. Bush is trying to delay the elections because of a possible attack, or
2. Bush is trying to start a civil war in American.

thank you. finally some reasonable person here.
there is so much Bush-hating here it's ridiculous. have you read anything released by the ACTUAL ADMINISTRATION or did you EVEN READ THE ARTICLE? you people should be ashamed. you see the title of an article which is meant to spark interest and are usually framed to make you read it. you need to read the articles. holy shit. unbelievable. you people talk about stupid americans voting for Bush. you guys are no better sometimes. you read the headline of an article and "OMG BUSH IS TRYING TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY!!@#!@#!@#" and you don't even read the article to see what it's saying.


btw, A2597, Yahoo News posts articles written by the AP, Associated Press, which writes articles for many news organizations.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=us&cat=terrorism

"We've had elections in this country when we were at war, even when we were in civil war. And we should have the elections on time. That's the view of the president, that's the view of the administration," Rice told CNN on Monday.

Condaleeza Rice says no such plan is being CONSIDERED by the administration. i think that's a refutation of this ridiculous thread that cnn and other liberal news organizations will always be quick to point and distort. i really shouldn't respond to any more political threads on hl2.net. everyone here is a raging Bush-hating liberal. I have my own problems with Bush, but i'm not going to find every single article on the internet that in some new way castigates our president.

 

[Korgoth]

hey did you know that reuters and AP also write up for cnn and other "liberal" media. I'm so freaking sick of hearin liberal media i could vomit. Case and point, I turned to CNN the other day when kerry had announced edwards as his running mate, cnn was playing the live speech kerry/edwards were giving on the decision, immediatly followed by comments by one democrat and one republican both of whom recieved equal air time, durning this i swithced over to FOX news to see what they were saying about the whole deal, they should a brief excerpt from the speech followed by one republican talking about how his state is against kerry and how america is against kerry and how bush is going to win in 04', there was no other side to this argument, just him and the newscaster his didn't say any thing while this "conservative" was on his kerry ripping rampage. Now which news program should be considered biased in this case? Because if its liberal to show both sides of the story, then in my eyes every news program should be as "liberal"...

 

[Tr0n]

Condaleeza Rice says no such plan is being CONSIDERED by the administration. i think that's a refutation of this ridiculous thread that cnn and other liberal news organizations will always be quick to point and distort. i really shouldn't respond to any more political threads on hl2.net. everyone here is a raging Bush-hating liberal. I have my own problems with Bush, but i'm not going to find every single article on the internet that in some new way castigates our president.

Wait just because I don't like Bush I'm a liberal??You know why I don't like Bush...because I have a higher IQ than him....Also he's ****ing up this country.So no...not everyone here hates bush or is a liberal.

 

[clarky003]

hey did you know that reuters and AP also write up for cnn and other "liberal" media. I'm so freaking sick of hearin liberal media i could vomit. Case and point, I turned to CNN the other day when kerry had announced edwards as his running mate, cnn was playing the live speech kerry/edwards were giving on the decision, immediatly followed by comments by one democrat and one republican both of whom recieved equal air time, durning this i swithced over to FOX news to see what they were saying about the whole deal, they should a brief excerpt from the speech followed by one republican talking about how his state is against kerry and how america is against kerry and how bush is going to win in 04', there was no other side to this argument, just him and the newscaster his didn't say any thing while this "conservative" was on his kerry ripping rampage. Now which news program should be considered biased in this case? Because if its liberal to show both sides of the story, then in my eyes every news program should be as "liberal"...

Fox is pro Bush, we all know that, partly because its in their best intrests, and Bush's Counsin? if im correct, works there and has influence on the network :dozey: .

Fox is as corrupt as a corrupt data disk with 'Corrupt' written all over it .

dont let them influence you, we all know what the Bush administration is doing, is wrong. There trying to bite off more than they can chew, just to get better business deals and increase their organisation's profits...

its deluded how some people think that they are actually doing this to help the community and make them safer from Terrorisim, its deluded that they scared people into thinking that there would be more attacks,,

but when people are scared into thinking that they are under threat, especially when they think they can trust this guy.

and I think it was President Lincoln who said,' you have nothing to fear , but fear itself'

I mean it was all scare mongering after 9/11 and they knew that people can be controlled by fear , manipulation at its worst :hmph: . It disgusts me that people fell for it, but they cant be blammed . The government played on the situation, and used peoples fear and hate to get where they wanted to go.

Its obvious as anything, if you can see into that then your ... well short sighted and wouldnt make a good physcologist. But its basic physcology anyway :dozey:

 

[Adidajs]

i will definitely acknowledge that fox is conservatively slanted as cnn is liberally slanted. Deny that cnn is liberal all you want.

btw, Roosevelt uttered "nothing to fear but fear itself" during his first inaugural address addressing the economic condition of the times (Depression)

 

[clarky003]

i will definitely acknowledge that fox is conservatively slanted as cnn is liberally slanted. Deny that cnn is liberal all you want.

Cnn probably is slanted, but for the right reasons I say , but then again the influence here doesnt appear to be coming from the government, more so from the negative reaction to the war, and Joe public.

Fox on the other hand, has a corrupted bend in its slantedness. :x

 

[Adidajs]

hey did you know that reuters and AP also write up for cnn and other "liberal" media. I'm so freaking sick of hearin liberal media i could vomit. Case and point, I turned to CNN the other day when kerry had announced edwards as his running mate, cnn was playing the live speech kerry/edwards were giving on the decision, immediatly followed by comments by one democrat and one republican both of whom recieved equal air time, durning this i swithced over to FOX news to see what they were saying about the whole deal, they should a brief excerpt from the speech followed by one republican talking about how his state is against kerry and how america is against kerry and how bush is going to win in 04', there was no other side to this argument, just him and the newscaster his didn't say any thing while this "conservative" was on his kerry ripping rampage. Now which news program should be considered biased in this case? Because if its liberal to show both sides of the story, then in my eyes every news program should be as "liberal"...

i can find similar cases that strengthen the "generally accepted belief" of CNN's liberal bias.

Well, i happened to come across a blatant disregard for the whole truth on cnn.com. Paul Bremer, the provisional authority leader in Iraq, recently took back statements regarding his criticism of Prez Bush prior to 9-11. On CNN's website i only found them reporting his criticism of Bush back in 2001(this is 2004). As it stands, this article is really old news. So it really makes no sense unless you add the new statements recently by Bremer. I'm not one for believing in conspiracies, but come on cnn.

dont let them influence you, we all know what the Bush administration is doing, is wrong. There trying to bite off more than they can chew, just to get better business deals and increase their organisation's profits...

its deluded how some people think that they are actually doing this to help the community and make them safer from Terrorisim, its deluded that they scared people into thinking that there would be more attacks,

Conspiracy theorists Unite! if you don't believe that Al-Qaeda doesn't want to commit another act of terrorism against the West, you're living in serious denial.

 

[mortiz]

Bush is not the cause of the world's problems, he is simply a product of the climate we live in.

 

[clarky003]

Conspiracy theorists Unite! if you don't believe that Al-Qaeda doesn't want to commit another act of terrorism against the West, you're living in serious denial.

its not a conspiracey, its an accute observation of the obvious, given the workings of the world corporate tactics for more profitable gain,.I heard the US tax payers pay 400'000 million dollars a year, where as the oil company's and government subsequently gain 1.4 billion from deals with Iraq corporations... so whos your daddy? .

lol,I dont think they dont want to attack. You can keep living scared, but theres no point , terrorism has been around all the time, and even if they wanted to do it again, they would have a much harder time going about it . Simply because people are more aware. , whats disturbing is bush is more intrested in Iraq than Al-Qaeda anyway. lol

My point was simple, scare mongering isnt the answer. It breeds fear, and fear breeds aggression. and aggression breeds violence.

Bush is not the cause of the world's problems, he is simply a product of the climate we live in.

yes, but it is supposed to be a democracey .

 

[Adidajs]

its not a conspiracey, its an accute observation of the obvious, given the workings of the world corporate tactics for more profitable gain,.I heard the US tax payers pay 400'000 million dollars a year, where as the oil company's and government subsequently gain 1.4 billion from deals with Iraq corporations... so whos your daddy?

"workings of the world corporate tactics for more profitable gain" - lol. what? you expect them to be charitable organizations? hah. very quixotic if you ask me.

i realize that most businesses in this country do not pay taxes like they should. Will John Kerry change that? nope.

I dont think they dont want to attack. You can keep living scared, but theres no point , terrorism has been around all the time, and even if they wanted to do it again, they would have a much harder time going about it . Simply because people are more aware.

the 9/11 commissions in this country were family members blaming our government for not doing enough to stop terrorism. Homeland Security is making damn sure 9/11 is not going to happen again. We don't live in constant fear of leaving our homes, looking skyward because we're terrified that some terrorist is going to send some intercontinental missile in our towns. But we're certainly more aware than 3 years ago. Just because you know that SUV's have been getting news about their rollover rates doesn't mean you don't drive your car - you're just more aware of the consequences.

, whats disturbing is bush is more intrested in Iraq than Al-Qaeda anyway. lol

really, what's that supposed to mean? well, 120,000 american troops are located in iraq right now....

al-qaeda isn't located in a single country clarky003. you know this.

 

[clarky003]

really, what's that supposed to mean? well, 120,000 american troops are located in iraq right now....

al-qaeda isn't located in a single country clarky003. you know this.

I know that , but Afghanistan is a seperate country where Al-Qaeda wheres supposed to be based. whos knows where he is, concentrating on Iraq is a little odd. oh no, wait, thats right Iraq have all the oil aswell as a select few important powerful people with wealth that partially control the worlds energy distribution, and own 7% of America's economy.

Al-qaeda have probably scattered by now.

i realize that most businesses in this country do not pay taxes like they should. Will John Kerry change that? nope

I dont know, but you could? :x

I know there not charitable organisations either.. but there out to make a fast buck all the time, more money the better. and I think there abusing the system, because if we find out that this is all to try and better relations with neibouring Iraq country's, and to put one more foot in on the say of what happens with Iraq's oil reserves.

then well, thats pretty illegal in the fact that its no justification for a war.

 

[not28]

but when people are scared into thinking that they are under threat, especially when they think they can trust this guy.

and I think it was President Lincoln who said,' you have nothing to fear , but fear itself'

I mean it was all scare mongering after 9/11 and they knew that people can be controlled by fear , manipulation at its worst :hmph: . It disgusts me that people fell for it, but they cant be blammed . The government played on the situation, and used peoples fear and hate to get where they wanted to go.

Its obvious as anything, if you can see into that then your ... well short sighted and wouldnt make a good physcologist. But its basic physcology anyway :dozey:

One of my favorite quotes dealing with human sociology came from Hermann Goering during the Nuremburg trials:

“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same every country.”

 

[DarkStar]

One of my favorite quotes dealing with human sociology came from Hermann Goering during the Nuremburg trials:

“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same every country.”

That's an amazing quote. Never heard it before.

War on Terrorism = Never-ending War.

 

[clarky003]

One of my favorite quotes dealing with human sociology came from Hermann Goering during the Nuremburg trials:

“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same every country.”

yup man, thats poetry to my ears, so true

 

[Direwolf]

For the hell of it I thought I'd point out that almost every news organization has printed something like this: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-12-election-delay_x.htm

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Yeah, Tom Ridge says "In the future, if most of the leaders and huge parts of the population were killed, it'd make sense to have a plan so we don't go into more chaos then we'd be in"

It's not a situation of "omg bush administration wants to postpone this year's election"

Read into stories like these and find out the actual true dialogues people.

 

[Korgoth]

and of course you believe everything tom ridge tells you? yeah he is totally bipartisan, ha! he thinks he is part of the same "sent by god to kill evil muslims" crusade that bush is on, and if you think he wouldn't lie to calm the storm then your nothing but a pathetic sheep, a product of fear that this administration has casted over this country. Truth is we wouldn't be in iraq if it wasn't for 9/11, plain and simple... even though the two events have nothing to do with one another, they have successfully molded them into the same monster, and now that the population seems to finally be coming to its senses they drudge up this nonsense. he cheated the first election, why not just do away completly with the second one, not like its gonna matter he'll win, wether the people want him to or not.

 

[Direwolf]

See....thats the sorta crap I'm talking about. I mean what the heck.This is not some crazy good vs evil clash going on in our government, its infact pretty much just politics as usual. And some people as always run around screaming like its the friggin apocalypse.

 

[The Mullinator]

and of course you believe everything tom ridge tells you? yeah he is totally bipartisan, ha! he thinks he is part of the same "sent by god to kill evil muslims" crusade that bush is on, and if you think he wouldn't lie to calm the storm then your nothing but a pathetic sheep, a product of fear that this administration has casted over this country. Truth is we wouldn't be in iraq if it wasn't for 9/11, plain and simple... even though the two events have nothing to do with one another, they have successfully molded them into the same monster, and now that the population seems to finally be coming to its senses they drudge up this nonsense. he cheated the first election, why not just do away completly with the second one, not like its gonna matter he'll win, wether the people want him to or not.

Is it possible that maybe he IS telling the truth? That maybe this isn't a lie and a conspiracy? What if Tom Ridge really is telling the truth and you just don't want to accept it?

You have no evidence to support your opinion, only a theory which happens to fit your own beliefs. Don't be so quick to judge these things without considering other possibilities that are different from the ones that first come into your head, or the ones you would simply like to believe.

 

[el Chi]

War on Terrorism = Never-ending War.

Just as Orwell said, that's the way to hold power and the people (Michael Moore quotes him at the end of Farenheit 9/11) - it's eery how prophetic 1984 has been in many ways.

 

[Korgoth]

Is it possible that maybe he IS telling the truth? That maybe this isn't a lie and a conspiracy? What if Tom Ridge really is telling the truth and you just don't want to accept it?

You have no evidence to support your opinion, only a theory which happens to fit your own beliefs. Don't be so quick to judge these things without considering other possibilities that are different from the ones that first come into your head, or the ones you would simply like to believe.

Oh snap! thats just it! its my OPINION you don't have to believe it... He probably is telling the truth anyway, they would never get away with delaying or postponing the election, unless another 9/11 occured, then they wouldn't even have to have an excuse (just like in iraq)

 

[clarky003]

Is it possible that maybe he IS telling the truth? That maybe this isn't a lie and a conspiracy? What if Tom Ridge really is telling the truth and you just don't want to accept it?

You have no evidence to support your opinion, only a theory which happens to fit your own beliefs. Don't be so quick to judge these things without considering other possibilities that are different from the ones that first come into your head, or the ones you would simply like to believe.

of course its his opinion, but if you have a look into Bush's past, and the company's he was related with (which mostly where liquidated in short periods of time), and infact, why dont you research up on the history of electricity, and the foundations of Oil company's while your at it.. it began with Tesla, Edison and a guy called Wellington .. and you'll find its strune with conspiracey and the glorification of the individual, and exploitation of men, and what they will go through to get what they desire for them and there peers, weither they be allies or not.
and do you think they have changed today? the way we are, do you think that people like that would learn from their own mistakes , when Billions of dollars are avaiable to them and their buddy's.

I very much doubt Bush and his associates is telling the entire truth, but just because Innervision writes what he thinks, doesnt mean he doesnt consider the opposite.

On the other end of the scale the evidence that the Bush party was telling the truth isnt even clear, but you cant say that there arnt evidentual circumstances that allow for both scenario's to occur. more so in the direction of the war being based on a lie at the present. because of the recent CIA admitance, although there decision was suspicious from day one , as I didnt see any solid evidence only diagrams, and vague pictures of trucks , thats called speculation... by the government none the less :x ..

and you think with multi million dollar Satelites they could of attempted to get some better arial photograph's, as they jumped the gun and said,, 'Oh my godZors, they have weapons of mass destruction in that TruckZor :dozey: . :burp:

 

[CptStern]

this pretty much sums it up

 

[DarkStar]

this pretty much sums it up

I personally think Osama Bin Laden is dead. Keeping his capture a secret for this long would be a major feat.

 

[CptStern]

i dont think that's what the cartoon was trying to imply

 

[A True Canadian]

That cartoon was cool. Very eerie.

 

[Javert]

and I think it was President Lincoln who said,' you have nothing to fear , but fear itself'

I mean it was all scare mongering after 9/11 and they knew that people can be controlled by fear , manipulation at its worst :hmph: . It disgusts me that people fell for it, but they cant be blammed . The government played on the situation, and used peoples fear and hate to get where they wanted to go.

It was Franklin D. Roosevelt that said it.

 

[clarky003]

It was Franklin D. Roosevelt that said it.

lol , my bad :angel: , but somone else told me, it was roosevelt earlier,, but hey thanks for reminding me :dozey:

 

[The Mullinator]

of course its his opinion, but if you have a look into Bush's past, and the company's he was related with (which mostly where liquidated in short periods of time), and infact, why dont you research up on the history of electricity, and the foundations of Oil company's while your at it.. it began with Tesla, Edison and a guy called Wellington .. and you'll find its strune with conspiracey and the glorification of the individual, and exploitation of men, and what they will go through to get what they desire for them and there peers, weither they be allies or not.
and do you think they have changed today? the way we are, do you think that people like that would learn from their own mistakes , when Billions of dollars are avaiable to them and their buddy's.

I very much doubt Bush and his associates is telling the entire truth, but just because Innervision writes what he thinks, doesnt mean he doesnt consider the opposite.

On the other end of the scale the evidence that the Bush party was telling the truth isnt even clear, but you cant say that there arnt evidentual circumstances that allow for both scenario's to occur. more so in the direction of the war being based on a lie at the present. because of the recent CIA admitance, although there decision was suspicious from day one , as I didnt see any solid evidence only diagrams, and vague pictures of trucks , thats called speculation... by the government none the less :x ..

and you think with multi million dollar Satelites they could of attempted to get some better arial photograph's, as they jumped the gun and said,, 'Oh my godZors, they have weapons of mass destruction in that TruckZor :dozey: . :burp:

I was not saying he was right or wrong. Just very one sided, it seems like 80% of the internet is completely one sided on these issues and I am getting tired of it. Maybe they are right but it seems to me like they get ALL of their information from very biased sources. It is extremelly difficult to find any information on these subjects that isn't extremelly biased and it seems funny to me that so many people don't realize this.

Anything can seem right if you only get information from sources that are heavily biased. Whether it comes from people like George Bush or people like Michael Moore, if either one is your only source of information then its obvious what your opinion is going to be. Of course its his opinion, im just trying to get people to consider other posibilities before they decide to formulate their opinion. Its my opinion that almost every debate about George Bush and US foreign policy is neither extreme that people keep on trying to put forward, to me what can be the closest to the "right answer" is usually much closer to the middle, something in between.

 

[clarky003]

I was not saying he was right or wrong. Just very one sided, it seems like 80% of the internet is completely one sided on these issues and I am getting tired of it. Maybe they are right but it seems to me like they get ALL of their information from very biased sources. It is extremelly difficult to find any information on these subjects that isn't extremelly biased and it seems funny to me that so many people don't realize this.

Anything can seem right if you only get information from sources that are heavily biased. Whether it comes from people like George Bush or people like Michael Moore, if either one is your only source of information then its obvious what your opinion is going to be. Of course its his opinion, im just trying to get people to consider other posibilities before they decide to formulate their opinion. Its my opinion that almost every debate about George Bush and US foreign policy is neither extreme that people keep on trying to put forward, to me what can be the closest to the "right answer" is usually much closer to the middle, something in between.

It would be ideal for reality to meet somewhere in the middle, Im sure it could. But I know for a fact that its not an ideal world

you may be getting tired of it, and you can call it biased as much as it satisfy's you, but the 80% or whatever % it is, with that opinion are there for a reason, and its quite simple, people are realising that the Bush administration are not very straight forward, and most likely have lied in order to gather a reason to go to war. People fell for it, for a while, but we are not sheep, and any half intelligent person can see that the US government where using scare tactics, (which is rather desperate) and arnt really helping a cause now that the CIA have admited they got their intel wrong. (suspiciously unprofessional given the situation), you dont have to write it down on paper, or have the news announce it to make any of this clear either :dozey:, if you have half a decent brain when it comes to politcal and buisness intrests. But still, thats not to say that none of us considers the opposite :cheers: