China threatens nukes against America

[Razor]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1695360,00.html

I only hope that what ever happens between China and America and Taiwan, George Bush is not the one spearheading it.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, then the General just affirmed a moving conflict to Taiwan.

 

[JellyWorld]

Screw China.

 

[Icarusintel]

if they shot a single nuke over here i would personally go over and kill every last one of them, of course that goes for any country threatening the US with such things, gotta show em we don't f*ck around

if the gov't doesn;t mean to do these things the general should be fired, but I fear China is fully prepared to launch a nuclear attack against america... which worries me more than al qaeda, really

 

[A True Canadian]

Isn't the feud between China and Taiwan over Taiwan's attempted independence from China?


Pardon my ignorance, but why would the US get involved here? It sounds like China wants to deal with this issue on its own without outside interference.

 

[Raziaar]

Nukes scare me.

In all seriousness though... using nukes in a situation like that, would be like bringing a gun to school to shoot a bully in the head, who picks on you. Well... like that, but more serious, since its a bad example... but you know what I mean.

No props to china for threatening to use nukes over conventional warfare.

 

[Tr0n]

They do know if they use them...their country is history also.

So basically ether:

A.)They're bluffing.
B.)They aren't bluffing and they're gonna lay all the cards on the table.

Which is...pretty obvious.

 

[Gray Fox]

Ooh boy, combined with the US policy of preventive warfare.
But anyway,I'm siding with the US on this one, for once.

 

[outpost]

They do know if they use them...their country is history also.

So basically ether:

A.)They're bluffing.
B.)They aren't bluffing and they're gonna lay all the cards on the table.

Which is...pretty obvious.

OMG nuclear poker.

 

[kirovman]

They will use nukes if the US attacks China. I'm assuming that means if they attack the mainland?

 

[Raziaar]

How far inland could their nukes be capable of, you think?

 

[outpost]

Whos up for a game of Generals LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[A True Canadian]

They will use nukes if the US attacks China. I'm assuming that means if they attack the mainland?

So again I ask: Why would the US get involved?

 

[TIIMMYY]

How far inland could their nukes be capable of, you think?

Anywhere in the US, im guessing. *shrug*

 

[Tr0n]

How far inland could their nukes be capable of, you think?

Who knows really?I mean what if they have some new rocket tech that would allow their nukes to go all the way to Washington D.C.?

 

[Gray Fox]

How far inland could their nukes be capable of, you think?

thye still don't have intercontinental nukes, they can hit japan and taiwan, but not us mainland, I saw that on the internet, but don't hold me to it, cause why the chinese can send people in to space but can't nuke the US, anyway don't you have a defense shield.

 

[Raziaar]

Who knows really?I mean what if they have some new rocket tech that would allow their nukes to go all the way to Washington D.C.?

Who cares about the capital... I'm worried about Dallas :-P

 

[Tr0n]

thye still don't have intercontinental nukes, they can hit japan and taiwan, but not us mainland, I saw that on the internet, but don't hold me to it, cause why the chinese can send people in to space but can't nuke the US, anyway don't you have a defense shield.

Yea we do...but it's shit.

Ever tried hitting a bullet with another bullet?

 

[Icarusintel]

Who cares about the capital... I'm worried about Dallas :-P

forget dallas, i'm worried about DC, since i'm sitting right across the river from DC, since this is where i work!

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

China would be wiped from the face of the Earth if they launch any nuclear weapons at us.

They only have about a half dozen to a dozen missiles that are able to reach at least the west coast, the rest are short/medium range missiles and bombs (about 400 some). Their bombers don't have the range to reach any targets here.

We, on the other hand have ICBMs with 10 warheads each (sub launched nukes have about 8 warheads each), we could fire only one and surpass or match the amount of warheads they could send over here. We have over 7000 strategic nuclear weapons, in silo ICBMs, subs (which we probably have a bunch waiting off of their coast for the command to launch), and long range bombers.

(Not including any weapons their allies could launch at us if we retaliate at China...)

How far inland could their nukes be capable of, you think?

http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/chnukes.html

The third weapon, the "Dong Feng-5/5A ICBM" originally had a range of about 11,000 KM, but were improved to have a range of 13,000 KM, they have very few of these, and are the only missiles capable of reach the continental US, and are only single 5MT warheads.

 

[Raziaar]

Yea we do...but it's shit.

Ever tried hitting a bullet with another bullet?

Ohh... that would be cool. Anyone ever done that? Set up two stationary mounted guns... precisely aimed at each other so that when fired via a pull switch(rather than contact which could alter its position) they fire and the bullets slam into each other.

I wonder if they'd just ricochet, or absorb all of each others momentum and fall below where they impacted. Heh.

 

[Kangy]

In the event that China nukes I dunno... Hawaii, China will actually become a steaming wastleland. With the rate GWB is intent on modernising the nukes of the US, and strong NATO alliances, especially with the UK, another nuclear power, China simply couldn't maintain a nuclear war.

The US is also working on a missile shield, which probably isn't quite all that just yet, but I dunno, it might be enough.

 

[Raziaar]

In the event that China nukes I dunno... Hawaii, China will actually become a steaming wastleland. With the rate GWB is intent on modernising the nukes of the US, and strong NATO alliances, especially with the UK, another nuclear power, China simply couldn't maintain a nuclear war.

The US is also working on a missile shield, which probably isn't quite all that just yet, but I dunno, it might be enough.

I can imigine giant hovering ping pong paddles in the future... with magnetic deflectors to ricochet the nukes back at the attacker. Heh heh. pong wars!

 

[Tr0n]

If we had a missile shield that worked perfectly...then we probally wouldn't be discussing this right now and taiwan would be free.

 

[Icarusintel]

everyone's forgetting Star Wars though

 

[JellyWorld]

In all seriousness though... using nukes in a situation like that, would be like bringing a gun to school to shoot a bully in the head, who picks on you. Well... like that, but more serious, since its a bad example... but you know what I mean.

How is US the bully? China's the one resisting Taiwan's independence.

 

[Tr0n]

everyone's forgetting Star Wars though

You do know the SDI program was shutdown in the early 90's...right?

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

I don't think we have a real "missile shield" yet, most of them are in the prototype/testing/etc. phase.

What we need are orbital Ion Cannons, able to shoot down any ICBM, large missile/rocket, satelite, or to unfocus it's beam somewhat and take out ground targets.

 

[Raziaar]

How is US the bully? China's the one resisting Taiwan's independence.

I agree... it was an example. not really about the characters involved, but the severity of the situation.

Here's it better put: You don't bring a bazooka to a knife fight.

 

[Icarusintel]

You do know the SDI program was shutdown in the early 90's...right?

so they say, i still think it's operational though, it would make sense, at least

 

[Razor]

America should have no reason to interfere in any situations in Taiwan if the Chinese pull it off right, if the Chinese take very limited action against Taiwan and do things slowly with a lot of politics to back it up there should be no reason for outside intervention. Even if it's a quick and swift attack, which Taiwan would never be able to stand against, America would have no provocation to step in and wouldn't be able to step in on time, unless it was just threats.

The Chinese General is most probably bluffing, but then he might not be, all he seems to be doing though is ensuring that America knows that the Chinese are very serious in ensuring that Taiwan is taken back with little, to no, outside intervention.

 

[Razor]

And there are ABM programs that have been setup, Russia has one protecting Moscow and i would presume America also has some left over from the pre-Star Wars abm program.

 

[Recoil]

The US is also working on a missile shield, which probably isn't quite all that just yet, but I dunno, it might be enough.

Uh oh, careful. If a country like China wants to pwn the US with nukes they'll be sure they can, which will be some time in the future. Some anti-rocket-system like that won't do s***.

 

[Kangy]

It'll take at least 7 years before China could feasibly have a lot of ICBMs that would be reliable. Plenty of time to build up a defence system, especially with the military budget of the US.

 

[Foxtrot]

It'll take at least 7 years before China could feasibly have a lot of ICBMs that would be reliable. Plenty of time to build up a defence system, especially with the military budget of the US.

Build up? How do you know we don't already have one?

 

[Gray Fox]

America should have no reason to interfere in any situations in Taiwan if the Chinese pull it off right, if the Chinese take very limited action against Taiwan and do things slowly with a lot of politics to back it up there should be no reason for outside intervention. Even if it's a quick and swift attack, which Taiwan would never be able to stand against, America would have no provocation to step in and wouldn't be able to step in on time, unless it was just threats.

The Chinese General is most probably bluffing, but then he might not be, all he seems to be doing though is ensuring that America knows that the Chinese are very serious in ensuring that Taiwan is taken back with little, to no, outside intervention.

Taiwan is an independent country that the china claims belongs to it, why wouldn't the us get involved, they're on the right side for once. China has also invaded tibet and is illegally occu[pieng it. We made the mistake of giving in to similar demands to a similar country in 1940, no sane person would do that gain.
But you don't have to worry china is to important trade partner for the US, to ever come to a war, if china wants taiwan then china will get taiwan.

 

[Absinthe]

I call bullshit. The only time I can imagine nuclear missiles being used is in an act of desparation. No functional strong nation would risk using them, as it would only result in their asses getting kicked hard. Hard and to the curb.

This is cock-bragging machismo. But the underlying message is one to take seriously: China is not going to be ****ed with.

 

[gh0st]

This is cock-bragging machismo. But the underlying message is one to take seriously: China is not going to be ****ed with.

No. The US and its allies are not to be ****ed with. China's nuclear program is bollocks, if they do use those nukes on Japan or Taiwan or us, or really anybody, there will be hell to pay in the form of a heaping crater full of irradiated mongolian beef.

 

[Lucid]

All this talk of nukes makes me extremely nervous...

 

[Raziaar]

All this talk of nukes makes me extremely nervous...

Me too. I can't stand the idea of news used in modern warfare.