christian right and Bush; cozy bed fellows

[CptStern]

here's some really odd quotes by GW Bush ...I'd be afraid if I was american ..no way I'd want someone with those sort beliefs running my country ...but that's just my humble opinion



"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
--George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular


"I urge all Texans to answer the call to serve those in need. By volunteering their time, energy or resources to helping others, adults and youngsters follow Christ's message of love and service in thought and deed."
"Therefore, I, George W. Bush, Governor of Texas, do hereby proclaim June 10, 2000, Jesus Day in Texas"


"What we are going to do in the second term is to make sure that the grant money is available for faith communities to bid on, to make sure these faith-based offices are staffed and open. But the key thing is, is that we do have the capacity to allow faith programs to access enormous sums of social service money, which I think is important."
--George W. Bush, January 11, 2005

 

[Some_God]

But what can we do? I propose that the North breaks away from the South!

 

[CptStern]

build a wall :E ...actually, better yet make absolutely sure that come next election thye dont get back into office ...you have to make it so that the republicans dont get back into office for a very very long time ...seriously the world is a far more dangerous place with them in power

 

[Bodacious]

build a wall :E ...actually, better yet make absolutely sure that come next election thye dont get back into office ...you have to make it so that the republicans dont get back into office for a very very long time ...seriously the world is a far more dangerous place with them in power

LOL

 

[CptStern]

you dont agree? it wasnt the democrats who lied about Iraq ...they were just too stupid to realise they were being lied to


I guess to someone like you, skirting the fine line between sanity and insanity isnt all that big a deal ...seriously what leader spews this sorta crap?

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."


usually it's only fundamentalist nations that use god as a justification for invasion

 

[lePobz]

If you don't want them to get back in to office, why not brick up their offices' doors and windows?

Bush is amazingly transparent to most people, except those that have been spoon-fed propaganda on US tv stations etc.

 

[Bodacious]

you dont agree? it wasnt the democrats who lied about Iraq ...they were just too stupid to realise they were being lied to

How many John Kerry and Clinton quotes would you like saying saddam had WMD and needed to be disarmed?

I guess to someone like you, skirting the fine line between sanity and insanity isnt all that big a deal ...seriously what leader spews this sorta crap?

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."


usually it's only fundamentalist nations that use god as a justification for invasion

You hate america, stern. Anything we do will rub you the wrong way.

 

[CptStern]

How many John Kerry and Clinton quotes would you like saying saddam had WMD and needed to be disarmed?

ah but they didnt use 9/11 as a scare tactic and march right in, did they?

You hate america, stern. Anything we do will rub you the wrong way.

so in other words "I dont have a proper response so I'll just call you "anti-american" and ignore your facts"


been there done that, lets move on

 

[Absinthe]

Do you hate me, Stern?

 

[CptStern]

I thought you were a Switzer (you come from "switzer"-land) so I liked you ...but now that I know that you're american ...well ...now I hate you more than I hate cabbage! (oh I really hate cabbage but ESPECIALLY american cabbage))


btw I found this picture of you the other day ...the resemblence is uncanny!!

 

[Bodacious]

ah but they didnt use 9/11 as a scare tactic and march right in, did they?

John Kerry voted to go to war and he even said he would have done the same thing Bush did given the chance to do it all over again.

so in other words "I dont have a proper response so I'll just call you "anti-american" and ignore your facts"


been there done that, lets move on

What facts? The fact that Bush believes in god? Big deal.

You have no credibility anywyas. Facts don't matter to you.

 

[jondy]

What facts? The fact that Bush believes in god? Big deal.

You have no credibility anywyas. Facts don't matter to you.

Facts - and indeed broad generalizations - don't matter to you either, judging by your sig. Try responding to the point he made without reducing this to a) another Iraq thread or b) a pissing contest. We get enough of those here already.

And the 'anti-america' rhetoric isn't helping either.

 

[Foxtrot]

Bush didn't use God as a justification of the war. Do you also think that only Republicans are religious?

 

[CptStern]

John Kerry voted to go to war and he even said he would have done the same thing Bush did given the chance to do it all over again.

why do you always bring up kerry? I'm non partisan

What facts? The fact that Bush believes in god? Big deal.

You have no credibility anywyas. Facts don't matter to you.

ha that's rich coming from you ..still havent conceded that your country is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqi children ..but I guess iraqis dont matter to you ...but enough of this constant pissing match. Do you want to actually contribute to this thread in a meaningful way instead of throwing in your tired "anti-american" hogwash you always seem to fall back upon?

 

[kmack]

How many John Kerry and Clinton quotes would you like saying saddam had WMD and needed to be disarmed?

they were responding using the information given by the president (and when clinton was in office maybe saddam had missles aimed at freedom and democracy, but we somehow lived) :dozey:




this is about religions overbearing position throughout the right. they abuse it, and it is a direct affront to the seperation of church and state. go wave your fictional book in someone elses face but i dont give a **** when clowns with an old ass book written entirely by men say life starts, or whether we should wear condoms, or get morning after pills, or allow someone to die with dignity. the list of things nosey ass religious morons stuff their fat rich asses into is amazing. can we have a governement for all people, those who believe in fantasy bible shit, and those who are smart enough not to. The republicans are driving god right down our throats, its as disgusting as the USSR driving atheism down its citizens throats.

 

[Foxtrot]

they were responding using the information given by the president (and when clinton was in office maybe saddam had missles aimed at freedom and democracy, but we somehow lived) :dozey:




this is about religions overbearing position throughout the right. they abuse it, and it is a direct affront to the seperation of church and state. go wave your fictional book in someone elses face but i dont give a **** when clowns with an old ass book written entirely by men say life starts, or whether we should wear condoms, or get morning after pills, or allow someone to die with dignity. the list of things nosey ass religious morons stuff their fat rich asses into is amazing. can we have a governement for all people, those who believe in fantasy bible shit, and those who are smart enough not to. The republicans are driving god right down our throats, its as disgusting as the USSR driving atheism down its citizens throats.

that was ignorant as shite

 

[CptStern]

the rise of the christian right/neo-conservatives


you need realplayer to view it

 

[kmack]

that was ignorant as shite

this is about religions overbearing position throughout the right. they abuse it, and it is a direct affront to the seperation of church and state. go wave your fictional book in someone elses face but i dont give a **** when clowns with an old ass book written entirely by men say life starts, or whether we should wear condoms, or get morning after pills, or allow someone to die with dignity. the list of things nosey ass religious morons stuff their fat rich asses into is amazing. can we have a governement for all people, those who believe in fantasy bible shit, and those who are smart enough not to. The republicans are driving god right down our throats, its as disgusting as the USSR driving atheism down its citizens throats.

thats not ignorant. its no more ignorant than saying evolution does not exist (guess who does that), or that life begins at conception (guess who says that), or that people should not be allowed to die with dignity (i wonder who says that)...

 

[Foxtrot]

this is about religions overbearing position throughout the right. they abuse it, and it is a direct affront to the seperation of church and state. go wave your fictional book in someone elses face but i dont give a **** when clowns with an old ass book written entirely by men say life starts, or whether we should wear condoms, or get morning after pills, or allow someone to die with dignity. the list of things nosey ass religious morons stuff their fat rich asses into is amazing. can we have a governement for all people, those who believe in fantasy bible shit, and those who are smart enough not to. The republicans are driving god right down our throats, its as disgusting as the USSR driving atheism down its citizens throats.

thats not ignorant. its no more ignorant than saying evolution does not exist (guess who does that), or that life begins at conception (guess who says that), or that people should not be allowed to die with dignity (i wonder who says that)...

Grats...but it was ignorant. All the generalizations you made just reinforce how much of a biggot you are.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Don't worry Stern. When I'm the administrator of America, everything will be better. I shall take care of my children. We shall be united. Political parties will vanish. No more republicans, no more democratics, all Americans. The constitution shall be our foundation. The people will decide. For the people by the people. Direct Democracy.

*takes a breath*

 

[kmack]

Grats...but it was ignorant. All the generalizations you made just reinforce how much of a biggot you are.

what you are saying right now is ignorant.



thats not ignorant. its no more ignorant than saying evolution does not exist (guess who does that), or that life begins at conception (guess who says that), or that people should not be allowed to die with dignity (i wonder who says that)...

 

[GiaOmerta]

Biggotry shall vanish as well. We shall be United. A Brotherhood that will shake the foundation of this world.

 

[Foxtrot]

what you are saying right now is ignorant.



thats not ignorant. its no more ignorant than saying evolution does not exist (guess who does that), or that life begins at conception (guess who says that), or that people should not be allowed to die with dignity (i wonder who says that)...

Why do you keep brining up those same 3 things? I don't ****ing care, I am just saying that when you generalise like that it makes you look very ignorant.

 

[GiaOmerta]

He has yet to evolve. Soon we shall.

 

[kmack]

Why do you keep brining up those same 3 things? I don't ****ing care, I am just saying that when you generalise like that it makes you look very ignorant.

and you decided an off topic post would do that? right.... PM me to call me ignorant please.

and on topic, I think that its not fair that Christians have a monopoly on faith in politics. i dont see any buddhists pushing their beliefs on everyone....

He has yet to evolve. Soon we shall.

but there is no evolution

 

[C.R.E.A.M.]

What facts? The fact that Bush believes in god? Big deal.

.

there is nothing wrong in believing in God

however, A president (should) represents the whole coutry

But the whole country doesn't believe in Christ
How can live in a country where president says that Christ told him to do something, but you are a jew and have no bonds attached to the image of Christ?
I think he could be more practical and careful with what he says

 

[kmack]

there is nothing wrong in believing in God

however, A president (should) represents the whole coutry

But the whole country doesn't believe in Christ
How can live in a country where president says that Christ told him to do something, but you are a jew and have no bonds attached to the image of Christ?
I think he could be more practical and careful with what he says

that was the first sensible thing written in here. hell in the whole damn forum.

 

[Foxtrot]

there is nothing wrong in believing in God

however, A president (should) represents the whole coutry

But the whole country doesn't believe in Christ
How can live in a country where president says that Christ told him to do something, but you are a jew and have no bonds attached to the image of Christ?
I think he could be more practical and careful with what he says

A president can't represent the whole country when half of the countries veiws contradict the other halves.

 

[C.R.E.A.M.]

that was the first sensible thing written in here. hell in the whole damn forum.

thanks, but isn't it common sense

president is like a book cover, but instead of a book it's a country (nation),
he can't put a crusafix on the cover of America

i say, leave religion out of politics, we are not in middle ages anymore

A president can't represent the whole country when half of the countries veiws contradict the other halves.

wheather he can or he can't, he is the one people from around the world look at as the face of america, he is the one who makes major visits to forein countries (besides the embassadors)

 

[kmack]

A president can't represent the whole country when half of the countries veiws contradict the other halves.

then why choose religion which is specifically (declaration of independence anyone) kept OUT of government as a battleground.

religion has no place in politics because it is unfair to its citizens

I dont see how the USSR forcing Atheism on its citizens is any different from the government forcing religion on us (in the form or contraception laws, abortion laws, right to die laws, etc). its a big extrapolation, but im trying to show people what its like to be on the non religion side of politics.

 

[Foxtrot]

then why choose religion which is specifically (declaration of independence anyone) kept OUT of government as a battleground.

religion has no place in politics because it is unfair to its citizens

I dont see how the USSR forcing Atheism on its citizens is any different from the government forcing religion on us (in the form or contraception laws, abortion laws, right to die laws, etc). its a big extrapolation, but im trying to show people what its like to be on the non religion side of politics.

Religion is not being forced on us. Just because somthing reflects a certain religions values doesn't mean you are being forced to live that religion, it means people did not want that thing happening/existing anymore.

 

[C.R.E.A.M.]

i personaly think that religion is the oldest form of govermant, and it has to do little with personal spirituality (some will argue this)
but we don't need to be scared of God to be lawful citizens, don't mean that God doesn't exist, but they shouldn't relate to religion as major source for moral, not anymore

In the south, they say u have to love God, but also fear him and have a fear of going to hell

my question is, how can you love something and fear it in the same time? I mean truly love.
I can't

Religion is not being forced on us. Just because somthing reflects a certain religions values doesn't mean you are being forced to live that religion, .

And if this "something" is the head of the country, it doesn't make any difference?

 

[Foxtrot]

i personaly think that religion is the oldest form of govermant, and it has to do little with personal spirituality (some will argue this)
but we don't need to be scared of God to be lawful citizens, don't mean that God doesn't exist, but they shouldn't relate to religion as major source for moral, not anymore

In the south, they say u have to love God, but also fear him and have a fear of going to hell

my question is, how can you love something and fear it in the same time? I mean truly love.
I can't



And if this "something" is the head of the country, it doesn't make any difference?

I was refering to abortion, or capital punishment.

 

[Direwolf]

I like to draw a big, fat, magic-marker line between rhetoric (especially during a campaign) and the actual things going on inside a persons head. Whenver I've heard someone say that God "told" or "led" them to perform a specific task, they're usually saying that their conscience and values lead them to do it. And, if like them, you believe that God controls those things than it's not all that inaccurate.

That said I actually have to agree with the rest of America that having a leader with very definite moral and religous beliefs isn't in itself a bad thing. Despite what half the internet would say, people who are religous aren't necessarily stupid, and many of our best leaders have had set religous views that gave them enough conviction to do what they did.

 

[CptStern]

I was refering to abortion, or capital punishment.

yes but the president is the voice of the people, his personal views, especially those based on religion, shouldnt make a difference in determining policy

 

[CptStern]

I like to draw a big, fat, magic-marker line between rhetoric (especially during a campaign) and the actual things going on inside a persons head. Whenver I've heard someone say that God "told" or "led" them to perform a specific task, they're usually saying that their conscience and values lead them to do it. And, if like them, you believe that God controls those things than it's not all that inaccurate.

yes but this is the president we're talking about ..he said it in a roomful of muslims and jews ..in a land plagued by religious strife no less

 

[Foxtrot]

yes but the president is the voice of the people, his personal views, especially those based on religion, shouldnt make a difference in determining policy

They should, they are HIS views, and it shouldn't matter where he got them from. That is like saying people who grew up on a hippy commune shouldn't vote because those views were forced on them when the grew up.

 

[CptStern]

so in other words if bush was a fundamentalist muslim and decreed that all american women should now wear veils ...you'd go along with it? What if, as a christian evangalist, bush wanted to do away with condoms? or evolution in schools, or same sex marriage .........wait, that's already happening

 

[Direwolf]

Ok, sarcasm aside, those things are a little different. Saying God helped him with tough moral choices is one thing, and people at large can understand where hes coming from. Theres not really any good comparison between something like that and decisions of a definite personal, sexist, or racist nature.

 

[Foxtrot]

so in other words if bush was a fundamentalist muslim and decreed that all american women should now wear veils ...you'd go along with it? What if, as a christian evangalist, bush wanted to do away with condoms? or evolution in schools, or same sex marriage .........wait, that's already happening

I doubt Bush would have been elected like that, he campaigned with his values and he won with them.