christian right and Bush; cozy bed fellows

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yes but now that's he'd done his 2 terms he has nothing to lose
 
CptStern said:
yes but now that's he'd done his 2 terms he has nothing to lose
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...and? He has his respect to lose, he isn't just going to die after this.
 
As much as we all wish, peoples political careers don't end just because they're not president anymore.
/me looks over at Nixon and Clinton
 
Direwolf said:
As much as we all wish, peoples political careers don't end just because they're not president anymore.
* Direwolf looks over at Nixon and Clinton
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...that bitch! (Hillary)
 
CptStern has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.
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A little off topic, but what you need to do Stern. :)
 
God has told me that it is my DIVINE RIGHT to have as many terms of office as I want...

we can hope this doesn't happen...

there is a positive (god) and a negative (satan) energy..why can't we just leave it at that?

be polite,be friendly/helpful...what else is important?

oh wait!! I know!!

your faith is dumb!! my faith can beat up your faith!!

sorry for the rant but is it that hard to see how childish this kind of crap is?
 
Foxtrot said:
I don't have real player...and the WoW servers are about to get back up. If it is about the government trying to mislead us, it is probably true. I don't really care though, I try not to listen to the government too much :p
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nope it's about the rise of the christian right


giaOmerta: made some space
 
as a student of sociology i can tell you that religion that bush uses is not the classical type! It's called "civil religion" it basicly a tool to unite people or replacing the "integration function" of the old religion! Lots of americans are religious, using God as a reason will unite these religious folk!

Another example of civil religion you can see on your dollar bill "In God we trust".

Bush is on the conservative side, but he's not a fanatic!


I'll back you up Stern! I also hate america (americas way of life), it's simply not right to kil thousands of people so you can run your 4.0l car, with no exaust catalyst!!! You're way too much materlists for my taste!
Let's say it this way, would you let a X person down in iraq get killed so that you can have the latest PC hardware and best around car? Of course you would! Me i don't give a shit i've got a 10 year (with catalyst
) 1.1l citroen an 2 years old PC and not planning to buy one or the other for a long time!
 
/me never realized that his PC was earned by killing random people
 
Foxtrot said:
Religion is not being forced on us. Just because somthing reflects a certain religions values doesn't mean you are being forced to live that religion, it means people did not want that thing happening/existing anymore.
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based purely on religion.
 
jverne said:
I also hate america (americas way of life), it's simply not right to kil thousands of people so you can run your 4.0l car, with no exaust catalyst!!! You're way too much materlists for my taste!
Let's say it this way, would you let a X person down in iraq get killed so that you can have the latest PC hardware and best around car? Of course you would! Me i don't give a shit i've got a 10 year (with catalyst
) 1.1l citroen an 2 years old PC and not planning to buy one or the other for a long time!
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Maybe you could explain to me how my purchasing a new graphics card and motherboard (which I did not too long ago) is responsible for the death of anyone, let alone someone in Iraq. Or would it be easier to just randomly shout about how much you hate Americans and our supposedly materialistic lifestyle without the slightest idea of what you're talking about?
 
Foxtrot said:
Explain. I believe in capital punishment, is that because of my religion?
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well if your religionis one ive never heard of then yes.

christians dont believe in evolution, they would like laws passed to ban it from being taught. they want creationism taught, which is based SOLEY upon god.

christians believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is immoral. they want abortion to be a felony

christians believe love and marriage is between man and woman. they would have homosexuality as a felony, and not allow gay marriage

i cant think of another group of people so imbedded into our political system based on faith.
 
I'd like to point out that most of that it, in fact, wrong.

Some Christians don't believe in evolution. The vast majority do. This goes for permitting the teaching of evolution too.

The official Church line is that abortion is immoral. However, most Christians don't think abortion should be a felony.

Again, the official line is that homosexuality is immoral. Again, most don't think it should be a felony though.

See, there's this huge group of people called moderates...and most Christians genuinely believe in the idea on which the religion is based, which is forgiveness.
 
kmack said:
well if your religionis one ive never heard of then yes.

christians dont believe in evolution, they would like laws passed to ban it from being taught. they want creationism taught, which is based SOLEY upon god.

christians believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is immoral. they want abortion to be a felony

christians believe love and marriage is between man and woman. they would have homosexuality as a felony, and not allow gay marriage

i cant think of another group of people so imbedded into our political system based on faith.
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Now it sounds like you are speaking for them. I now a few devout Christians and they don't think creationism should be taught soley, they think a good mix is best.
 
qckbeam said:
Maybe you could explain to me how my purchasing a new graphics card and motherboard (which I did not too long ago) is responsible for the death of anyone, let alone someone in Iraq. Or would it be easier to just randomly shout about how much you hate Americans and our supposedly materialistic lifestyle without the slightest idea of what you're talking about?
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Well said. Seems like this man is only here to rant about how much he hates the USA. Also he could improve his grammar while he's at it.
 
so in other words if bush was a fundamentalist muslim and decreed that all american women should now wear veils ...you'd go along with it?
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1)The Supreme Court and House of Rep. would have to get the majority of the vote. If you somehow did that, well it would go the court, and eventually be declared Unconstitional.

I am athiest, and about 20% of the USA is Catholic.
I don't really care that Bush believes in god, infact before reading this I didn't know if he did or didn't.

I dont see how the USSR forcing Atheism on its citizens is any different from the government forcing religion on us (in the form or contraception laws, abortion laws, right to die laws, etc). its a big extrapolation, but im trying to show people what its like to be on the non religion side of politics.
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Lets look at the abortion laws..what the hell does that have to do with religion?
When does a thing inside the mother become a person or a baby. When it does become one a baby or person and it is in the U.S. it gets all the U.S. rights. Thus if when the "baby" is being aborted, and it is considered to be a person then you would be killing a person thus you commited a crime. A CRIME that has nothing to do with what religion says.

The U.S. is not forcing ANY religion on it's citizens. It is forcing religion out of politics that is all.


Just becuase the President is Christian means very little. He could be muslim, jewish, or a shemale for all I care.
What Bush has done so far is undecided if it has been good or bad.
It could go both. If Iraq becomes a great democracy that other nations in the Middle East look up to and eventually follow Iraq and become democracies in a way that suit there culture and life then Bush didn't such a bad thing.

There is always worse that can happen...as always..


When you get into things like Gay marriage and things well... that is all about the definition of marriage. I really don't care about them being married I mean seriously.. if you see 2 gay guys what the hell is it gonna matter if you see 2 gay married guys. Hell you probably wouldn't even know the diffrence. Thus I really could care less if they can or can't get married.
 
Much of the constitution is based on Bibical principles.
Alot of the basics to being a good citizen as well, ex.

"Treat others as you would want to be treated."

You can bash all you want kmack, but your making yourself out to be an ass. In the end the people will win.
 
Hey..this conversation is interesting...I like debates.

Anyway..why be concerned about bush saying that "god told me to do this and to do that". That's just the way he thinks...at least he's not a fanatic about it...imagine bush going to the middle east and starting to preach his religon and saying interesting things like "God has told me to fix your land..over then hills, god has made these stealth fighters that will make your country better by releasing the flames of good for all of your people to enjoy!" I would definitly watch CNN for that speech.

Besides I like bush the way he is....crazy and informative.
 
dream431ca said:
Hey..this conversation is interesting...I like debates.

Anyway..why be concerned about bush saying that "god told me to do this and to do that". That's just the way he thinks...at least he's not a fanatic about it...imagine bush going to the middle east and starting to preach his religon and saying interesting things like "God has told me to fix your land..over then hills, god has made these stealth fighters that will make your country better by releasing the flames of good for all of your people to enjoy!" I would definitly watch CNN for that speech.
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that's exactly what bush did (k not exactly ...no angel piloted stealth bombers releasing the flames of goodness ;) )


"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
 
CptStern said:
that's exactly what bush did (k not exactly ...no angel piloted stealth bombers releasing the flames of goodness ;) )


"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
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I am guessing he was either misquoted or that is taken out of context.
 
Foxtrot said:
Now it sounds like you are speaking for them. I now a few devout Christians and they don't think creationism should be taught soley, they think a good mix is best.
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wow, that right there is my problem

You can't teach a mix, because creationism has to do with God and not everyone believs in it. its not fair (plus if we are learning that god made humans and there is no evolution, when we get to college and real jobs, we will be at a loss int he science department to those who learned the truth , evolution. and not fairy tales, creationism)
 
the problem is that non-one claims that evolution is 100% right its a theory and people work everyday to improve, prove or disprove
its science the art of the possible
whereas creationism and intelligent design says right we know god did it and you're all wrong lalalalal not listening lalala
So no way should creationism be thought outside of religion
"prayer has no place in a public school just as facts have no place in organised religion"
great quote
 
kmack said:
wow, that right there is my problem

You can't teach a mix, because creationism has to do with God and not everyone believs in it. its not fair (plus if we are learning that god made humans and there is no evolution, when we get to college and real jobs, we will be at a loss int he science department to those who learned the truth , evolution. and not fairy tales, creationism)
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You can't teach a mix? I was taught with a mix of both, evolution theories first, and then creationism. After that we had a little debate and everyone was happy.
 
there shouldnt havent been a debate at all ...religion has no facts to back it up ..how can you debate something that cant be proved? seriously if creationism is taught in science class then it's a huge diservice to the student who doesnt need his/her head filled with quaint little stories that I could have written

the Bible according to stern:

"30 odd years ago the world was created ..according to my wishes"

that statement has just as much validity as pretty much anything contained in genesis
 
CptStern said:
there shouldnt havent been a debate at all ...religion has no facts to back it up ..how can you debate something that cant be proved? seriously if creationism is taught in science class then it's a huge diservice to the student who doesnt need his/her head filled with quaint little stories that I could have written

the Bible according to stern:

"30 odd years ago the world was created ..according to my wishes"

that statement has just as much validity as pretty much anything contained in genesis
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Having faith in science is just like having faith in religion. You can't prove any scientific facts, just like you can't prove any religious facts.

I think this is the right link.

http://www.geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/
 
Woah hold on a second
You can't prove any scientific facts
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Did I just read that
so the computer you typed this quote on only exists because you believe you own one??????

religious facts
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now there's an oxymoron
 
Foxtrot said:
Having faith in science is just like having faith in religion. You can't prove any scientific facts, just like you can't prove any religious facts.
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:O :O .......you're not serious are you?
 
CptStern said:
:O :O .......you're not serious are you?
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What I was saying is that people accept certain things (like the existance of God) just like people accept that a TV works. Very few people know how or why a TV works, they just know that little people are inside their glass and plastic box. And accepting scientific facts you always accept certain other things as a fact, without knowing for sure they are a fact. Like gravity, you can not prove the existance of gravity.
 
Foxtrot said:
Like gravity, you can not prove the existance of gravity.
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There is reasonable evidence to support it's existance.

For example try walking off a skyscraper.
Proof that gravity exists: You will plummet to the ground and be splattered on the pavement.

Reminds me of that newest family guy, where Mel Gibson walked off the Mt. Rushmore monument

"Oh my god he walked right over the edge"
"I figured he'd do that, you see Christians don't believe in gravity!"
 
no but I can prove the existence of TV, and that was probably the dumbest thing i've ever heard hahahahahaha!!!! You just keep on thinking "little" people live in your TV and power it foxtrot, and I'll never again question why you are a bush supporter... omg...
 
CptStern said:
there shouldnt havent been a debate at all ...religion has no facts to back it up ..how can you debate something that cant be proved? seriously if creationism is taught in science class then it's a huge diservice to the student who doesnt need his/her head filled with quaint little stories that I could have written

the Bible according to stern:

"30 odd years ago the world was created ..according to my wishes"

that statement has just as much validity as pretty much anything contained in genesis
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well, they never found the link between the modern human and those other anchent species, so evolution hasn't been complitly proven either, however i don't think that one is going agains the other, a lot of people take Bible literaliy and not metaphoricly

anyway, this is not a debt wheather one theory is right or wrong
the issue is that the US president is heavily leaning towards one specific religion, and that's wrong
but he doesn't care, because, guess what, more than 70% of US population is Christian, therefore he automaticly has the support of the majority of the country (even democrats)
he wouldn't say stuff like that if the majority of the country was jewish, he would simply f@#% himself up
 
iyfyoufhl said:
well, they never found the link between the modern human and those other anchent species, so evolution hasn't been complitly proven either, however i don't think that one is going agains the other, a lot of people take Bible literaliy and not metaphoricly

anyway, this is not a debt wheather one theory is right or wrong
the issue is that the US president is heavily leaning towards one specific religion, and that's wrong
but he doesn't care, because, guess what, more than 70% of US population is Christian, therefore he automaticly has the support of the majority of the country (even democrats)
he wouldn't say stuff like that if the majority of the country was jewish, he would simply f@#% himself up
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ya, he is obviously playing to the conservative christians, so is the entire republican party. pro-life is a HUGE issue for voters im afraid. good points =D
 
He is serving the majority people as his job calls for, he might also have his hand down Lady Oil's pants, but that's naturally. She's so beautiful, but she's only got 15-20 years left on her.
 
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