Comeback for Shephard

[99.vikram]

Cubbage was never supposed to cut it at all, it's implied in the HL2 Strategy Guide that he's a fraud. Plus he's mocked by Resistance members in EP1.

I know. That's what I meant - he's not a good enough veteran

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

probably not because gman was interested in adrian before gordon, for all we know adrian could be doing an assignment

1. Where the hell did you find that out?

2. Uh...why would he be doing an assignment before Gordon was free from stasis? Seriously, if Gordon in EP2 is captured or put back into stasis again than the chances we will see Adrian go from the .1% it is now, to 0%

 

[Black Op]

1. Where the hell did you find that out?

2. Uh...why would he be doing an assignment before Gordon was free from stasis? Seriously, if Gordon in EP2 is captured or put back into stasis again than the chances we will see Adrian go from the .1% it is now, to 0%

1. In the Op4 Manual.

2. Shephard could be off preforming some lesser task before the Earth Rebellion. More likely, he's doing nothing in his state of limbo.

 

[Walter]

Adrian Shephard is a man who survivoes against all odds! I wanna see him with a heavy machine gun, grenade launcher, grenades, lazers, i want to see him giving hell to the combine!

 

[kupocake]

1. In the Op4 Manual.

Whilst we know when Shepherd's first G-Man sighting was, that doesn't tell us when either Freeman or Shepherd first caught the G-Man's eye. The general impression is that G-Man's involvement with Freeman predates Half-Life by some way, especially if the cascade is something to do with his influence.

 

[Black Op]

Whilst we know when Shepherd's first G-Man sighting was, that doesn't tell us when either Freeman or Shepherd first caught the G-Man's eye. The general impression is that G-Man's involvement with Freeman predates Half-Life by some way, especially if the cascade is something to do with his influence.

I'm not too sure that G-Man was interested in Freeman before the Incident. Since G-Man can't travel through time or predict the future yet, he'd have no way of knowing how special Freeman was. I stand by the belief that G-Man's interest in Freeman only came about during the Incident.

 

[oMeSSiaHo]

I think things like the teleport gun make sense in the Halflife2 world. Judith talks about having to go through Xen to get to another place on Earth and thats what that gun does. The teleporters in the Lambda Core, Nova Prospekt and Izzy's lab take a long time because they are going to a certain place.

The gameplay couldnt have been that bad, Episode1 seemed to borrow from it. In OP4 you were underground in the dark trying to kill enemies just like Episode1. I thought it was cool because the night vision going out added a bit of suspence.

Halflife and OP4 were very similar. Also to call the aliens and weapons "stupid" is a stretch. I dont know how a fish that shot green blobs of death is any more silly then a hand that shoots bugs or a giant toad thing is any more outrageous then a crab that controls people.

I think Sheapord should have some sort of apperience. It would suck if he was cursed to live his life in a trippy black sky without the internet!

 

[Black Op]

I think things like the teleport gun make sense in the Halflife2 world. Judith talks about having to go through Xen to get to another place on Earth and thats what that gun does. The teleporters in the Lambda Core, Nova Prospekt and Izzy's lab take a long time because they are going to a certain place.

Actually, current HL2 teleportation uses Xen as a dimensional slingshot. Therefore the need to go through the Borderworld has been eliminated. And judging from the manner Shephard got his Teleport Gun via an unlucky scientist, that technology was far from perfected. I don't think the Resistance would waste time on that.

The gameplay couldnt have been that bad, Episode1 seemed to borrow from it. In OP4 you were underground in the dark trying to kill enemies just like Episode1. I thought it was cool because the night vision going out added a bit of suspence.

There's a world of difference between fighting swarms of lesser enemies and having to deal with Voltigores that take up a lot of damage. Then again, those Voltigores could be wasted quite easily with the Teleport Gun and Spore Launcher, and you usually fought them one at a time. Therefore you could recharge your night vision without fear, which can't be said for EP1.

Halflife and OP4 were very similar. Also to call the aliens and weapons "stupid" is a stretch. I dont know how a fish that shot green blobs of death is any more silly then a hand that shoots bugs or a giant toad thing is any more outrageous then a crab that controls people.

Race-X just didn't have the best art design in the world to some people. As for the Teleport Gun it was obvious when the player was intended to teleport if you found ammo for it, and I don't like the mechanic of blind faith that's included (ie. that Shephard could die due to an unpredictable mishap).

I think Sheapord should have some sort of apperience. It would suck if he was cursed to live his life in a trippy black sky without the internet!

I think that's a great place for Shephard, worthy of the other tragic stories of this world.

 

[Crowbar-at-hand]

Hell No, No shepard please :frown:

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

I don't like the mechanic of blind faith that's included (ie. that Shephard could die due to an an unpredictable mishap).

What are you talking about :| That was the best part of that gun.

 

[Ennui]

Since there's supposedly a fourth episode from a third party developer in the works, I'd be VERY interested if the storyline was you as Adrian hunting down Freeman for the G-Man.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

Since there's supposedly a fourth episode from a third party developer in the works, I'd be VERY interested if the storyline was you as Adrian hunting down Freeman for the G-Man.

I'd like it better if he didn't know he was hunting freeman, but his assignment would inadvertently lead to him doing it anyways :O

 

[Ludah]

I'm not too sure that G-Man was interested in Freeman before the Incident. Since G-Man can't travel through time or predict the future yet, he'd have no way of knowing how special Freeman was. I stand by the belief that G-Man's interest in Freeman only came about during the Incident.

I'm torn on this issue. While it's possible G-Man gained interest in Freeman during the incidient, I still lean towards something that happened beforehand.

The whole "Subject: Gordon Freeman" text that continues on throughout the series, but started before the resonance cascade, implies observation that had been taking place beforehand.

 

[Black Op]

What are you talking about :| That was the best part of that gun.

Mechanics that encourage players to gamble with their lives are not necessarily the best ones. Especially when the reward recieved is just a stash of weapons. In essence, Op4's Teleport Gun turned the Borderworld into a mere special stage where you can gain bonus item caches. I think Xen deserves much more justice than that.

The whole "Subject: Gordon Freeman" text that continues on throughout the series, but started before the resonance cascade, implies observation that had been taking place beforehand.

Then it could be argued that Barney Calhoun, Gina Cross, and Colette Green were under G-Man's watch too. However I don't see G-Man stalking those people, now do I? I consider those reports to be plot devices to help the player gain a sense of their character. Similar in most respects to the opening crawls found in Star Wars movies.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

Mechanics that encourage players to gamble with their lives are not necessarily the best ones. Especially when the reward recieved is just a stash of weapons. In essence, Op4's Teleport Gun turned the Borderworld into a mere special stage where you can gain bonus item caches. I think Xen deserves much more justice than that.

Eh, Ill give you that >_> But god damn was that funny when I teleported to my death.

 

[Ludah]

Then it could be argued that Barney Calhoun, Gina Cross, and Colette Green were under G-Man's watch too. However I don't see G-Man stalking those people, now do I? I consider those reports to be plot devices to help the player gain a sense of their character. Similar in most respects to the opening crawls found in Star Wars movies.

True, but it's often thought that the games in which those characters starred are not considered canon. =\

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

If Adrian shephard is cannon (Proof if you don't believe me a couple pages back) than I think the Barney Calhoun we play is also cannon, and he also had the same "Status: LAWL BARNEY" thing going in the game.

 

[Black Op]

True, but it's often thought that the games in which those characters starred are not considered canon. =\

The Gearbox games are not necessary for understanding the important aspects of the HL mythology. However, they are both considerred canon and fun by VALVe.

 

[kupocake]

The Gearbox games are not necessary for understanding the important aspects of the HL mythology. However, they are both considerred canon and fun by VALVe.

True, but doing so they may just be accepting the expansions, goofs and all. I mean, the teleport gun contradicts all we later learn, and I would never put it past Gearbox to simply put in the black-death-screens / player introductions without kicking back and actually considering why they are there and what they mean.

 

[Black Op]

True, but doing so they may just be accepting the expansions, goofs and all. I mean, the teleport gun contradicts all we later learn, and I would never put it past Gearbox to simply put in the black-death-screens / player introductions without kicking back and actually considering why they are there and what they mean.

I'm curious as to how the Teleport Gun contradicts what's learned in HL2. From my understanding, Kleiner's teleporter used a process different from what was used back in Black Mesa. The Lambda teleporter was different in that it created an actual portal, and the Teleporter Gun can be seen as a hand-held application of this. However the Teleporter Gun lacks the ability to set reliable coordinates.

On the other hand, the HL2-era teleporters used the "Slingshot" method which rather than having to go through the Borderworld, Xen can be bypassed. The HL1 portals obviously require passage through the Borderworld first before reaching the other side. With that in mind, the Teleport Gun can fit into the HL1 universe.

As for the introductions, one could assume the player himself sees them if they are to be taken literally. As those messages along with the HUD and the"Use Key" mentioned in the HL1 Hazard Course don't actually exist in the game universe, they can be treated as existing for the player's benefit.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

If shephard did come back should he still have some of his weapons? The teleport gun would be useless, unless the rebels have a hidden cache of uranium around somewhere.

 

[Black Op]

If shephard did come back should he still have some of his weapons? The teleport gun would be useless, unless the rebels have a hidden cache of uranium around somewhere.

It's been a tradition to be sent into the field by G-Man unarmed, but maybe not in this case. :cheese: However the Resistance does have enough uranium for a vehicle-mounted Tau Canon. In theory, Shephard armed with a Teleport Gun that could actually set a destination could gather enough enough uranium for one shot at Freeman, sending him right back to G-Man. This would mean he would have to infiltrate the Resistance, but that shouldn't be too hard. Especially if he joined up with Cubbage, who has contact with G-Man.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

The Gman could have altered it so, Adrian thinks he's delivering it the resistance so they can give it to gordon so he can use it for some crazy teleport thing, but it actually teleports him back to the Gman. Remember, I dont think a shot would work, because whenever you would shoot someone with the teleport gun they'd usually explode =/ We dont want gordon exploding.

 

[Black Op]

The Gman could have altered it so, Adrian thinks he's delivering it the resistance so they can give it to gordon so he can use it for some crazy teleport thing, but it actually teleports him back to the Gman. Remember, I dont think a shot would work, because whenever you would shoot someone with the teleport gun they'd usually explode =/ We dont want gordon exploding.

I think that exploding bit was just a engine limitation that Gearbox just had to deal with. Either that or the Teleporter Gun only fired a blast of radiation at low power. This would explain why more energy got spent when self-teleporting. In theory then, the Teleporter Gun could be reset to regually use up the ammo required for proper teleportation.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

I see, the only problem I have with Adrian shooting the portal at gordon is in both expansions gearbox made you only saw Gordon, but never directly interacted with him, hell if you tried to in OF you died for trying to do so =/

 

[Black Op]

Freeman with his orange Hazard Suit should be an obvious target to anyone, including Shephard who would have recognized it from the Lambda Labs. Plus as I said eariler, Shephard would probably gang up with Resistance members that are in league with G-Man.

 

[esplin]

After reading this entire thread I can say with complete confidence that the one thing keeping Shephard out of future games is the Shephard fans themselves.

No offense of course.

 

[Langolier]

After reading this entire thread I can say with complete confidence that the one thing keeping Shephard out of future games is the Shephard fans themselves.

No offense of course.

Oh ofcourse because Valve is reading these forums and releasing their games based on the views of the tiny minority of HL2 players represented here.

 

[Black Op]

After reading this entire thread I can say with complete confidence that the one thing keeping Shephard out of future games is the Shephard fans themselves.

No offense of course.

I'm sure idle speculation will have no bearing on Shephard's fate. Even if I think of possibilities to bring him back, I'll always prefer him staying in limbo.

 

[MTG_Maro]

Seeing as how my first topic here was about Shephard. I belive he should be brought back. Let's take for example that HL is about Shephard and Op4 is about Gordon. Would your decisions change at all?