Conspiracy Films

[Mechagodzilla]

Right then, I am "close minded".
(Why is it that all the people accusing me of being stupid couldn't spell to save their lives?)

No its not a religon at all.

Yes, it is. You have awe over a higher power that is complex, all-powerful, all knowing, raining destruction from the heavens and only recorded in small scientifically dubious tracts that are poorly made but widely disseminated as an absolute version of the Truth.

Bush is your god now.

If you look at the events of 911 critically you will see that there is NO possbile way the towers came down from planes.
[...]
WHERE DID THE PLANE DEBRIS GO?!

LOGICAL QUESTION 1:
Why would they use fake planes when real planes are readily accessable?
If they did use fake planes, what happened to the real planes full of people?

LOGICAL QUESTION 2:
Why do all scientists in the world accept the "fake" version of events except some one guy from Podunk Univeristy ("Home of the Opossums." Go Possums!)
Could it be that maybe he is wrong?

The reason they did not want to go to trial or anything, they would run the risk of the PEOPLE knowing about it and them loosing all that money... Plus the blood trail lead back to the Bush administration and the entire government.

So, Bush caused 9/11 in order to cover up 9/11?!
Of cooourse!
I regret calling you retarded now, because you are clearly a genius!
No, seriously give yourself a PAT on the BACK for being so SMART.
Obviously you have all the answers, Internet Einstien!
No, really. You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WOW.

Also, your sig is too long.

 

[Drewry]

Actually mecha that isnt what he is saying at all, you are just being a total jerk. Trying to discredit your opponent in a debate is the most pathetic form of debate and also proves you are a coward that you have to stoop so low as to mockery, instead of actually spending time researching and coming up with a decent rebuttall.

 

[i z 3 r]

Without another similar incident, where similar masses, fuel loads and velocities were involved in a collision with a similarly-structured building, you cannot dismiss the planes.

In a controlled demolition, the explosives have to be carefully placed and carefully timed in order to produce the desired effect. If not, then the demolition won't work correctly. With that in mind, how did the carefully-positioned explosive charges in the WTC towers survive the impact of two fuel-laden airliners travelling at high speed?

Explosives depending on the type require a detenator. For instance. ANFO needs APAN to explode. The explosives were planted in the core. The planes did not go into the core, hence why they did not go off.

I did not blame Bush I blame the Government. They caused 911 to save their asses, and made it a crime or make it seem insane to think that anyone other then terrorists did it. I mean it worked with you

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

LOGICAL QUESTION 1:
Why would they use fake planes when real planes are readily accessable?
If they did use fake planes, what happened to the real planes full of people?

LOGICAL QUESTION 2:
Why do all scientists in the world accept the "fake" version of events except some one guy from Podunk Univeristy ("Home of the Opossums." Go Possums!)
Could it be that maybe he is wrong?

Seem like perfectly reasonable questions to me.

Actually mecha that isnt what he is saying at all, you are just being a total jerk. Trying to discredit your opponent in a debate is the most pathetic form of debate and also proves you are a coward that you have to stoop so low as to mockery, instead of actually spending time researching and coming up with a decent rebuttall.

Nice of you to sign up to the site just to abuse a member, by the way. I take it you're not planning on staying long?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Explosives depending on the type require a detenator. For instance. ANFO needs APAN to explode. The explosives were planted in the core. The planes did not go into the core, hence why they did not go off.

What do detonators have to do with anything? If you've got a lot of linked charges, the infrastructure required to make it work would very easily be damaged.

That's a hell of a lot of assumption there. If you were in charge of the conspiracy, and you had explosives set throughout the building (without anyone noticing them, or seeing them being placed), there would be no way on earth that you could predict that the planes wouldn't damage the carefully-placed setup.

I did not blame Bush I blame the Government. They caused 911 to save their asses, and made it a crime or make it seem insane to think that anyone other then terrorists did it. I mean it worked with you

 

[i z 3 r]

Maybe a fake plane didn't hit the pentagon. At thoes speeds... It is more likely a missle hit it. You can't explain why wheres no extensive damage, why theres just a 16 foot hole punched through all 3 sectors. You can't explain why all the survanence videos were taken by the FBI and never released. Or how about what was under that blue tarp?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/docs/whatsinthebox.jpg

 

[i z 3 r]

What if you knew where the planes were going to hit. What if the 767 wasnt a 767 and it was a E-10 Military Jet?

 

[Raziaar]

The simple fact that no steel structure in hisotry collapsed because of fire.

You make it seem like steel is some sort of wonder structure, that has never, WILL NEVER collapse under the extreme stress the towers went through...

Guess what, it happened.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Maybe a fake plane didn't hit the pentagon. At thoes speeds... It is more likely a missle hit it. You can't explain why wheres no extensive damage, why theres just a 16 foot hole punched through all 3 sectors. You can't explain why all the survanence videos were taken by the FBI and never released. Or how about what was under that blue tarp?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/docs/whatsinthebox.jpg

Why is it "more likely a missile hit"? What are missiles used for? Delivering explosive ordinance to very precise locations. There was no explosion, so why bother? What about the plane that was hijacked? Why not just use the plane? How did a missile punch a 16-foot diameter hole through the walls - there's no 16-foot diameter missiles?

What if you knew where the planes were going to hit. What if the 767 wasnt a 767 and it was a E-10 Military Jet?

Even if you knew where they were going to hit, you couldn't predict the damage to any degree of accuracy. If they were E-10s, it wouldn't alter that fact - it'd just make less sense. Why, when you've hijacked two perfectly good airliners, would you then take a pair of E-10s, paint them in airliner livery, then crash them into the WTC? What do you gain? What happens to the airliners? The passengers? You're also exponentially increasing the amount of people involved in the conspiracy, and consipracies require absolute secrecy to work.

 

[Raziaar]

I'm watching this Dark Secrets: Inside the Bohemian Grove thing...

It's interesting, because I never heard of anything like this before.

I must say, the idea of it is VERY disturbing. New World Order shit disturbs and scares me obviously, being a christian.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Actually mecha that isnt what he is saying at all, you are just being a total jerk. Trying to discredit your opponent in a debate is the most pathetic form of debate

Hi! Welcome to the forums!

I don't know what you read, but I asked "why did they use planes? Because that is the stupidest thing they could use."
and his answer was "To cover up the trail of blood."

I wasn't insulting Letternumbername so much as congratulating on how nonsensical his points are. Maybe he is a mega-genius who can't spell and makes no sense? I don't know.
Either way, a little ad hominem doesn't hurt when he's already wrong. By that point, the debate is supposed to be over.

No-one is disproving the DANGER MEMO. No one is answering my questions. Not Clarky and not Letternumbername. Everyone is calling me a closeminded jerk because I say "wait, your worldview is based on the assumption that the US government are simultaneously super-brilliant and yet stupider than you are (however smart that may be)."

I'm sorry if I call someone's idea retarded when it is.
Case in point:

Maybe a fake plane didn't hit the pentagon. At thoes speeds... It is more likely a missle hit it. You can't explain why wheres no extensive damage, why theres just a 16 foot hole punched through all 3 sectors. You can't explain why all the survanence videos were taken by the FBI and never released. Or how about what was under that blue tarp?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...tsinthebox.jpg

Thanks for the context of that picture. Since we are showing photos of things under tarps, perhaps you can identify these mystery objects?
Any one of them could contain the mysteries of the Reptillian takeover!

http://www.precision.rotor.com/trialpgs/images/tarp.jpg
http://www.farwesthistory.com/images/lhprog/tarp.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v362/l33tn1jn4/TARP.gif

In any case, the smart layman's answer to your question is that the wings either bent inwards from the force or the plane did not hit at an absolutely perfect angle to the ground. Either one makes more sense.
But, frankly, you shouldn't be asking me. You should be asking SCIENTISTS, using SCIENTIFIC REPORTS. Not showing jpegs, flash videos and what-ifs to the thirteen year olds on the videogame forum.
Wow holy crow, you managed to convince Clarky that it's real.
Bad news though: Clarky will believe anything.

The only logical conclusion is that you know, deep down inside, that you are wrong. That's why you're bowling for the easy targets and making music videos instead of submitting a journalistic investigation to a newspaper, or a scientific analysis to Scientific American.
Just look at our professor from Podunk. If he's so brilliant, why does he have to publish his paper on the internet, instead of getting it peer-reviewed like real scientists do?
Gene Ray of www.timecube.com is a doctor too. Should we believe all doctors, or is there a rule where must only trust the fringe ones who make the least sense?

What if you knew where the planes were going to hit. What if the 767 wasnt a 767 and it was a E-10 Military Jet?

What if the government scientists engineered flying pigs that held an extreme hatred for buildings?
You are dodging my question. Why would they use a missile to simulate a plane crash?
Tell me, plane crash expert, why a MISSILE is preferable when faking a PLANE crash?

 

[baxter]

Maybe a fake plane didn't hit the pentagon. At thoes speeds... It is more likely a missle hit it. You can't explain why wheres no extensive damage, why theres just a 16 foot hole punched through all 3 sectors. You can't explain why all the survanence videos were taken by the FBI and never released. Or how about what was under that blue tarp?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/docs/whatsinthebox.jpg

Not according to these guys

I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon

Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. '

'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,'

Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon

'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over

"'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon,"

Here are the rest of the eyewittness accounts


Both black boxs were recoverd

Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded,

The two ``black boxes,'' crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman.

Source


Virtually all the victims were identified

What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists, and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, with headquarters at Walter Reed, played a major role in Operation Noble Eagle investigations, officials said.

Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital. The rest were killed on site, and for some, only pieces of tissue could be found.

AFIP's team of forensic pathologists, odontologists, a forensic anthropologist, DNA experts, investigators, and support personnel worked for over two weeks in the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, Del., and for weeks at the DNA lab in Rockville, to identify the victims of the attack.

Source

 

[CptStern]

I wish the 9/11 conspiracy theories would just go away ..they take away the spotlight from real and legitimate conspiracies like the war in iraq.

that said you should all watch Manufacturing Consent

it's about how government and corporately owed mass media shapes news and public opinion. Read the user comments. Highly recommended reading/viewing

you can hear some of it here

http://www.chomsky.info/audionvideo.htm

scroll down 3/4 of way and click on audio of Manufacturing Consent

 

[i z 3 r]

Well I will go look at that movit Stern.

"Why is it "more likely a missile hit"? What are missiles used for? Delivering explosive ordinance to very precise locations. There was no explosion, so why bother? What about the plane that was hijacked? Why not just use the plane? How did a missile punch a 16-foot diameter hole through the walls - there's no 16-foot diameter missiles?"

They can be 4 ft in diameter and have exponentinal explosions. And if you watch the gate secruity camra, there is a huge explosion.

Even if you knew where they were going to hit, you couldn't predict the damage to any degree of accuracy. If they were E-10s, it wouldn't alter that fact - it'd just make less sense. Why, when you've hijacked two perfectly good airliners, would you then take a pair of E-10s, paint them in airliner livery, then crash them into the WTC? What do you gain? What happens to the airliners? The passengers? You're also exponentially increasing the amount of people involved in the conspiracy, and consipracies require absolute secrecy to work.

Hijack makes it seem like it was terror. If you watch http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=911+plane

It explins what happened to the planes.

 

[clarky003]

Clarky will believe anything.

Puting words in my mouth tut tut, the reason the alternate conclusion of demolishion has credibility is because there are all the physical sign's, that and all of Newton's laws of gravity are not obeyed in the collapse under the pancake theory, not to mention there is no physical evidence of pancaking and the abnormal fire temprature's that they specify are needed to even start the pancaking event.

The difference is simple, pancaking is pure specualtion with next to no physical evidence, when there is a palethora of physical indication towards demolishion.. not because I believe thats the case, but because the physical attributes are there in the video footage, and even Silverstein says so in the case of WTC 7.

Its quite clear you love to belittle people who think differently to you by pretending to be even more silly with your references to reptiles and other general stupidity thats totally out of context.. which also makes it obvious you love being an arse bucket, just because you cant concieve or contemplate of any reason why anyone would do this your mind. That as a primary drive for your conversation is not scientific or objective. Im interested in the physical and auditory attributes of demolishion in the collapses and Id love to see you explain all those attributes away under the pancake theory, including why Newton's laws of gravity are not obeyed if the pancake theory is true.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

They can be 4 ft in diameter and have exponentinal explosions. And if you watch the gate secruity camra, there is a huge explosion.

4 foot is not 16 foot. Missiles are designed to penetrate a target and explode, causing enormous damage. They don't tend to drill a 16-foot diameter hole through masonry.

Hijack makes it seem like it was terror. If you watch http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...48&q=911+plane

It explins what happened to the planes.

It still doesn't explain why they would go to all the trouble to hijack a pair of airlinesr, then paint up a pair of military planes to look like them and crash those into the towers, then dispose of the airliners and the passengers.
Sum it up for me - I'm not going to sit through a 90 minute video just to find that out.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

In any case, the smart layman's answer to your question is that the wings either bent inwards from the force or the plane did not hit at an absolutely perfect angle to the ground.

OH

I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon

SNAP

Looks like I solved the goddamn conspiracy theory.
And all I had to do was think with my own brain!

Wait, this is too simple!
Maybe I should post a ton of links and images no-one will ever read, while forming no coherent argument of my own?

Here's the tarps again:
http://www.precision.rotor.com/trialpgs/images/tarp.jpg
http://www.farwesthistory.com/images/lhprog/tarp.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n1jn4/TARP.gif
DANGER MEMO:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7...germemo2ks.png
http://www.buyskydancers.com/inflata...s/AP_ALIEN.jpg
Badger badger badger:
www.badgerbadgerbadger.com

INTENSE

 

[ComradeBadger]

I love threads like this


Seriously, come up with reputable peer-reviewed sources, as opposed to your current crop of evidence, which comes across as about as accurate as me asking the insane drunk (fondly known as the Budweiserbox-head man) who wanders my university campus looking for students to mug/stab what he thinks of postmodernist literary criticism, and then posting it as verbatim.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Oh hey Clarky, I missed you all alone up there.

Putting

Is this another of your "unedited draft posts"?

Blah blah blah you have failed to answer my question again. PLEASE try to FOCUS.

What difference does it make if a freelance artist from toronto says "I THINK THAT SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION CLARKY! PANCAKE IMPLAUSIBLE!"
Why aren't you submitting this to a scientific journal?

Do you brag to other people saying "well yeah it makes no logical sense and the idea came from a random internet webpage, but a freelance artist from toronto said I'm maybe right"?
No, Clarky! No!
Nobody says that!
And do you know why?
Real people talk to scientists is why!

Seriously. Get your "evidence" peer-reviewed by scientists or disprove DANGER MEMO. Once you have accomplished one of those things, I will give a diggity-darn.
If you concentrate, you can do it.

Concentrate Clarky! Concentrate!

 

[clarky003]

Real people talk to scientists is why!

lol^

Im not a real person cause I use teh internet's to attempt interesting discussion to pass some of my spare time :O.

Is there such thing as an anti conspiracey nut^, I support the people who have and still are submitted paper's to peer review, thats all I can do.

There's no need to get bewildered by the sheer concept of any other possibility, if all you can say is go and create your own peer review paper as a counter arguement then it makes it pretty obvious you havnt bothered to compare all the characteristic's of demolishion or considered the consistancy of Newton's laws of gravity with the behaviour of the collapse under pancake theory.

I have a right to have my own opinion but there's no reason to be so emotionally hostile toward's it, Ive read NIST's and FEMA's report and they are clearly inadequet and do not prove pancaking whatsoever.. you might want to read them yourself before requesting peer reviewed article's. I can again quite clearly state all the physical and auditory evidence that display's demolishion characteristic's.. again Silverstein even says WTC 7 was demolished, in demolishion lingo 'pulled'.

Like I said ages ago I dont believe it myself.. but there is strong evidence to the contrary when you closely observed how all the building's fall, the time frame the building's fall in, the explosion's pre collapse, the upward ejection trajectories of debris and steel member's that can quite clearly be seen.. the complete pulverisation of concrete to dust, molten metal remaining upto 3 week's in the basement's.. and so on, all of which is not explained within pancake theory.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

"Conspiracy theory" is required to research "Government Mind Control".

I think you should research "Biefield-Brown Effect", to get lifters, and then move on to Scalar Waves, then you can build an emitter in London, and target Washington, destroying the three 20.0 power Marines units fortified in there and take it over with an Infantry.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Mechagodzilla]

LAL! (lol at lawyer)

you havnt bothered to compare all the characteristic's of demolishion or considered the consistancy of Newton's laws of gravity with the behaviour of the collapse under pancake theory.

See, you don't undertand.
You can't just say "I HAV SCIENTSE'S"and then not present actual science.
Actual science is peer-reviewed science.
Psuedoscience is found exclusively on the internet and you refuse to fact-check it.

You can't just write "clearly" and "obviously" and "physical and auditory evidence that display's demolishion characteristic's" because it is neither clear nor obvious, and that last one isn't even english.

You've presented all your stupid, stupid evidence. Now write a proper hypothesis, procedure and conclusion around it.
Is that so hard? Why can't you do it? You've invested so much brain effort into parroting that website. Can't you just do us all a favor and write something that people won't feel compelled to laugh about?

emotionally hostile

It's true. I just can't be serious and stop laughing at you. Excuse my emotional outbursts, Clarky!
Hostile though? You're acting as though I'm angry.
I just want to help you concentrate, Clarky! Concentrate!
Maybe if I put the smiley beside the parts where I am not taking you seriously, it will help you understand better?

Like I said ages ago I dont believe it myself..

Well then, I'm glad you've decided to shut up.
I never would have guessed that even Clarky doesn't take Clarky seriously.
Case dismissed!

Edit:

Silverstein even says WTC 7

Wait, since when was this about #7? We were talking about basically everything other than that.
Dagnabbit Clarky! Please try to focus!

Concentrate, Clarky! Concentrate!

 

[kirovman]

"Conspiracy theory" is required to research "Government Mind Control".

I think you should research "Biefield-Brown Effect", to get lifters, and then move on to Scalar Waves, then you can build an emitter in London, and target Washington, destroying the three 20.0 power Marines units fortified in there and take it over with an Infantry.

-Angry Lawyer

I love that picture I'd so love to play Civ4 with that tech tree.

Last edited by Mechagodzilla : Today at 08:34 PM.

edits means you lie! :O

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Sadly, I needed to fix a typo.

Clarky spells it as "SCIENTSE'S" and not "SCIENTSAYS'S". Sorry for those who may have been inconvenienced!

 

[Pax]

SCALAR WAVES!!!

Concentrate, Clarky! Concentrate! You will be able to succeed someday!

- Pax

 

[Solaris]

SCALAR WAVES!!!

Concentrate, Clarky! Concentrate! You will be able to succeed someday!

- Pax

Shh Newbie.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Clarky's gonna create a scalar wave machine one day and just straight up pwn every world power. You all just watch. You'll wish you never made fun of him =O.

 

[SimonomiS]

Say it's true. Then what?

They'd never admit it, you can't change anything, so are you just trying to get people to believe the same as you for fun?

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Quick! Stop him from researching the Biefield Brown effect and we'll be safe!

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Pax]

Shh Newbie.

You have much to learn young one,

much to learn.

- Pax

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Pax is older than most star systems, and in that timespan Clarky has never been right about anything ever.

This is a scientific fact!

 

[Angry Lawyer]

D:

Lies. Clarky's got at least some clue about science.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Sorry Lawya, but it is clearly obvious that clarky has always been wrong about everything.

I read that on the internets two posts up:

Clarky has never been right about anything ever.

...and I don't see anyone disproving that, so it must be true.

The facts speak for themselves!

 

[Pax]

Pax is older than most star systems, and in that timespan Clarky has never been right about anything ever.

This is a scientific fact!

Hell yeah!

- Pax

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Maybe a fake plane didn't hit the pentagon. At thoes speeds... It is more likely a missle hit it. You can't explain why wheres no extensive damage, why theres just a 16 foot hole punched through all 3 sectors. You can't explain why all the survanence videos were taken by the FBI and never released. Or how about what was under that blue tarp?

You seem to forget what the Pentagon is made of, and why that plane shredded into nothing upon impact.

 

[Pax]

You seem to forget what the Pentagon is made of, and why that plane shredded into nothing upon impact.

It's made of play-doh and rubber.

- Pax

 

[Mechagodzilla]

And also it was at an angle at the time of impact.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yep. ^ Look to be aimed right at a window ...

 

[Raziaar]

I imigine it would be like flying a giant soda can(also made of aluminum) into the building with such force that it rams inside the building, flattening as if you were stomping on it, and breaks up into dozens of little pieces.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Looking at the effects after the crash, it seems it would be so.