Could I be sued?

[Maxi]

Actually, as long as the pictures themselfs don't show the person/people in bad light, or in postures that make them look degraded, the person who took the photos own all rights to them, the people on the photos have no say in what they are used for, unless they somehow insult/harm the people/persons on the photo.

 

[Razor]

Actually, as long as the pictures themselfs don't show the person/people in bad light, or in postures that make them look degraded, the person who took the photos own all rights to them, the people on the photos have no say in what they are used for, unless they somehow insult/harm the people/persons on the photo.

Doesn't it depend on if the girls consented to their pictures taken, or is that what you ment?

 

[Maxi]

Doesn't it depend on if the girls consented to their pictures taken, or is that what you ment?

As long as the pictures don't show them in any bad light, the guy who took the photos own all rights to the pictures.

 

[Absinthe]

You really are proving yourself to be the enemy in this case and proving yourself to be one heck of an arsehole, well, to me anyway.

And what exactly have I done? The only connection I have to this is that I happen to post on the forum on which the pics are located. I have no reason to believe that she can't tough me, nor the members involved. And if she can, whoop-dee-doo. Pics removed. Whatever. But I'm not going to back down on this if the pictures are legally allowed to stay up, especially when she has essentially challenged us to a duel.

And you say the age of consent is 16, but the problem is, she didn't give her consent?

Age of consent as in "You're allowed to bang her". That was in reference to your idea that this could be pedophilia.

So far, none of the people responsible have recieved any request or complaint from her. If she has a problem with them being online, then she should take it up with the person hosting them, because I can tell you right now that none of my friends stuck them on the net.

 

[Absinthe]

I agree with TDE - stop being an arsehole and take them down.

I can't. What part of this do you people not understand?

 

[Razor]

I can't. What part of this do you people not understand?

Any way, me and my friends posted it up on our own forum and we all had a good time.

You and your friends post disgusting pictures of two 16 year old girls on an internet forum, right, got that part.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I neither took, hosted, or posted the pics,

Right....now we have....

me and my friends posted it up on our own forum

So which is it?

 

[Absinthe]

As long as the pictures don't show them in any bad light, the guy who took the photos own all rights to the pictures.

That adds a subjective element to this. I would even go far as to retract my statement about them being "erotic". The one pic we have up is one of both people laying on a bed in shorts while flipping the bird at the camera. Construe that however you want.

So determined not to take down pictures of little girls.

Don't make me out to be some kind of sick pervert.

 

[Maxi]

And besides, she couldn't ever sue you. If you're not the one who posted the pictures, and your not the server owner/site owner or a forum moderator who can delete the posts she can't sue you.

 

[Absinthe]

Right....now we have....



So which is it?

Difference between "post" and "host". I could google up an image and post it on this forum, but it's not hosted on any account of mine.

No, the account on which the pics are hosted is not one of ours.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

So you posted the pictures on your own forum, and you're unable to remove them from your forum? Or remove the links from your forum to them?

Please....

 

[Razor]

That adds a subjective element to this. I would even go far as to retract my statement about them being "erotic". The one pic we have up is one of both people laying on a bed in shorts while flipping the bird at the camera. Construe that however you want.



Don't make me out to be some kind of sick pervert.

One day, somebody came across a bunch of photos of her and another girl in erotic poses and shit. No nudity, but it didn't paint them in the best light.

Describe exactly what the pictures show, you say there is more then one? Even if the pictures don't show her in the nude or doing anything embarressing, she is still in the right to ask for them to be taken down. She has asked you to take them down, so the gentlemanly thing to do would be to talk to the admins of the forum, pass the message on that she would like the pictures taken down, and send a reply back apologising for your actions.

 

[Absinthe]

So you posted the pictures on your own forum, and you're unable to remove them from your forum? Or remove the links from your forum to them?

Please....

I can't remove the pics on that forum for the same reason I can't remove them on this forum: I don't have any admin status.

There are people that could remove them, but they aren't willing to. They doubt she could win in a court case, let alone sue.

 

[Razor]

I can't remove the pics on that forum for the same reason I can't remove them on this forum: I don't have any admin status.

There are people that could remove them, but they aren't willing to. They doubt she could win in a court case, let alone sue.

So it isn't you being the arsehole, it is the admins of the forum being arseholes? Prove to everyone here that you're not an arsehole by supporting her case to have the pictures taken down, be a gentleman.

 

[Absinthe]

You and your friends post disgusting pictures of two 16 year old girls on an internet forum, right, got that part.

Which is completely legal here in the Switzerland.

Wether or not that thing flies in the United States is irrelevant.

And as one who has not even seen the pictures, I'm not sure how you can deem them "disgusting".

 

[Chris D]

I can't remove the pics on that forum for the same reason I can't remove them on this forum: I don't have any admin status.

There are people that could remove them, but they aren't willing to. They doubt she could win in a court case, let alone sue.

But you said it's "your" forum... How is it your forum and you have no admin rights? You have no admin rights on this forum because it isn't yours. If that one is, then you can take them down.

Just take them down ffs.

 

[Razor]

I'm not sure how you can deem them "disgusting".

Well, from you of course

"somebody came across a bunch of photos of her and another girl in erotic poses and shit. No nudity, but it didn't paint them in the best light."

Erotic poses and shit, not painting them in a good light? they seem to be quite disgusting to me.

 

[Absinthe]

Describe exactly what the pictures show, you say there is more then one?

There is more than one, but they only exist on the hosted account (which, I repeat, is not ours). Only one photo made its way onto our forum.

Obviously, I'm not going to show the photo. But it is little more than the two people laying on a bed in jean shorts while flipping the bird to the camera. Now, their positioning can be construed as sensual and provocative. But such an interpretation is of course stemmed from subjectivity. You could see it as "erotic" or you could not. But there is no nudity. There is no girl-on-girl action. And it's certainly not what I'd consider to be wanking material and nobody has treated it as such. It's humoros only because they're attempting to be hot.

Even if the pictures don't show her in the nude or doing anything embarressing, she is still in the right to ask for them to be taken down. She has asked you to take them down, so the gentlemanly thing to do would be to talk to the admins of the forum, pass the message on that she would like the pictures taken down, and send a reply back apologising for your actions.

I have asked them, but they don't see any reason to do so.

I'm not convinced that one can sue over embaressing pictures. I have not heard of any law nor have I come across any in my searchings. If you could, then Something Awful would have the pants sued off of itself by now.

So it isn't you being the arsehole, it is the admins of the forum being arseholes?

As I have repeatedly stated, I have neither the power nor position to remove these pics, which is why I directed her to people that could.

But I don't entirely support removing the pictures considering the circumstances, so you might as well consider me an arsehole any way.

 

[Absinthe]

But you said it's "your" forum... How is it your forum and you have no admin rights? You have no admin rights on this forum because it isn't yours. If that one is, then you can take them down.

Just take them down ffs.

Jesus, do we need this banal drivel over semantics? I consider it "my" forum because it's something that I am a part of, just as I would say that the CS-OTF is "my" forum because I have had a long run there and daily take part in it. It was not intended as a pronoun signifying ownership.

Well, from you of course

"somebody came across a bunch of photos of her and another girl in erotic poses and shit. No nudity, but it didn't paint them in the best light."

Erotic poses and shit, not painting them in a good light? they seem to be quite disgusting to me.

Whatever, dude. You haven't seen them. I can assure you that they are nowhere near as horrible and disgusting as you imagine them to be.

 

[Razor]

There is more than one, but they only exist on the hosted account (which, I repeat, is not ours). Only one photo made its way onto our forum.

Obviously, I'm not going to show the photo. But it is little more than the two people laying on a bed in jean shorts while flipping the bird to the camera. Now, their positioning can be construed as sensual and provocative. But such an interpretation is of course stemmed from subjectivity. You could see it as "erotic" or you could not. But there is no nudity. There is no girl-on-girl action. And it's certainly not what I'd consider to be wanking material and nobody has treated it as such. It's humoros only because they're attempting to be hot.

I have asked them, but they don't see any reason to do so.

I'm not convinced that one can sue over embaressing pictures. I have not heard of any law nor have I come across any in my searchings. If you could, then Something Awful would have the pants sued off of itself by now.

As I have repeatedly stated, I have neither the power nor position to remove these pics, which is why I directed her to people that could.

But I don't entirely support removing the pictures considering the circumstances, so you might as well consider me an arsehole any way.

I think if you had told people it is just "2 girls sticking their fingers up at the camera" and you had put her in contact with the forum admins, then you would have saved a lot of face.

 

[Absinthe]

I think if you had told people it is just "2 girls sticking their fingers up at the camera" and you had put her in contact with the forum admins, then you would have saved a lot of face.

"Erotic" was just the first word that popped into my head. And judging from what people think was implicated by that word, it was probably a poor choice of diction.

 

[Jimmeh]

If it's not your site, why is she bothering you? Did you actually post the pictures? Surely you can't just edit the topic and delete the links if you did, or get an admin to. If the admins won't for whatever reason, then I don't see how you get sued or get into any sort of trouble over it, (that's if you didn't post them in the first place)

 

[Absinthe]

If it's not your site, why is she bothering you? Did you actually post the pictures? Surely you can't just edit the topic and delete the links if you did, or get an admin to. If the admins won't for whatever reason, then I don't see how you get sued or get into any sort of trouble over it, (that's if you didn't post them in the first place)

My only relationship with those photos is that I commented on them.

Why is she bothering me? Good question. I certainly can't get into trouble for this. But I have not seen compelling evidence that suggests that even the poster or the forum admin can get into trouble either.

If she has an issue, she should take it up with the person that hosted the pics. But this has apparently not crossed her mind yet. She looked at the forum, saw the picture, and assumed that we were the sole culprits.

 

[Jimmeh]

Then there's no reason to even worry about it. Or make this thread for that matter

 

[Absinthe]

Then there's no reason to even worry about it. Or make this thread for that matter

I was more curious as to wether or not she had the ability to demand us to remove the pics from our forum.

I never felt she had a case against us, but I wanted to be sure.

 

[Maxi]

Because you are listening somewhet.

 

[Raziaar]

I guess it doesn't bother you that it is an online site Absinthe, and that those pictures, almost without a doubt, will start circulating like wildfire across the internet, likely to locales for which the legal age is 18, so in effect becoming underage content for perverts who like that sort of thing.

Or does it not bother you, because "16 is the age of consent in Switzerland".

It's an online forum. It's going to be circulated, no doubt and you can't put in a convincing argument to deny it, especially since the site owners are immature assholes from the sounds of it.

 

[Absinthe]

I guess it doesn't bother you that it is an online site Absinthe, and that those pictures, almost without a doubt, will start circulating like wildfire across the internet, likely to locales for which the legal age is 18, so in effect becoming underage content for perverts who like that sort of thing.

Although I do agree that nothing is 100% secure on the internet, please point me out to the rule that states "anything online will get around to everybody". And do I have to state again that there's nothing pornographic about it?

Or does it not bother you, because "16 is the age of consent in Switzerland".

The law is the law.

It's an online forum. It's going to be circulated, no doubt and you can't put in a convincing argument to deny it, especially since the site owners are immature assholes from the sounds of it.

You know, I really couldn't care about what some of you people deem moral or mature on this matter. My question was wether or not it was possible for her to sue. And from the sound of it, she can't.

Thank you.

 

[Raziaar]

You know, I really couldn't care about what some of you people deem moral or mature on this matter. My question was wether or not it was possible for her to sue. And from the sound of it, she can't.

Actually, from a little online study, it does indeed look like Switzerland has Libel laws, which could apply in this situation depending on what you guys wrote on the website about the pictures.

Also... it looks like Switzerland, just like the united states, Australia, Canada, Germany, Austria, and France... has defamation laws as well from what I'm reading. You know lawyers... They can make anything out of nothing if their client wants them to.

I dunno man. If I were you, I would take the high road on this and be on her side. Try to convince them to remove the pictures. Or if you want to keep being stubborn about it, go ahead and do that too. Just don't post a topic for sympathy if she can indeed form a case about this.

 

[Absinthe]

Actually, from a little online study, it does indeed look like Switzerland has Libel laws, which could apply in this situation depending on what you guys wrote on the website about the pictures.

Libel is an entirely different bag of beans, and we've written nothing that constitutes it.

Also... it looks like Switzerland, just like the united states, Australia, Canada, Germany, Austria, and France... has defamation laws as well from what I'm reading. You know lawyers... They can make anything out of nothing if their client wants them to.

But this is all dependent on how defamitory the photos are. I am quite convinced that there is nothing in the photo that could result in a lawsuit.

But suppose there was? That is something that needs to be taken up with the person that hosted the photos.

I dunno man. If I were you, I would take the high road on this and be on her side. Try to convince them to remove the pictures. Or if you want to keep being stubborn about it, go ahead and do that too. Just don't post a topic for sympathy if she can indeed form a case about this.

Oh no, there most certainly wouldn't be a topic of sympathy. It's been shown on numerous occasions that not too many people here are fond of me and my views, and such a thing would just invite more piss and vinegar.

 

[Raziaar]

But... you're just too stubborn to remove it. Because you see nothing wrong with it. You *CAN* remove it, you just don't want you. You said in the very first post, that it was a private forum of yours and your friends that you and your friends put the pics on.

And as for the whole libel thing. Hey, i'm just looking online at Switzerland laws. If you're *REALLY* worried about this, why don't you look up your own damn country's laws instead of asking foreigners to do it for you.

 

[Absinthe]

But... you're just too stubborn to remove it. Because you see nothing wrong with it. You *CAN* remove it, you just don't want you. You said in the very first post, that it was a private forum of yours and your friends that you and your friends put the pics on.

No, I CAN'T remove it. But I don't think I'd really want to any way.

If we have the right to keep the photo up on the forum, then it's going to stay up.

And as for the whole libel thing. Hey, i'm just looking online at Switzerland laws.

Good for you. And the one law you stated was irrelevant.

If you're *REALLY* worried about this, why don't you look up your own damn country's laws instead of asking foreigners to do it for you.

I think I've already stated that I'm not too worried about this, as I doubt a case will even materialize. And from my knowledge of Swiss law, I didn't think she'd be in a position to sue us. This topic was mainly for clarification purposes if I had been incorrect. And so far, that has not happened. So thank you for helping me reach the conclusion that nothing will happen. And if you have such an issue with looking up Swiss law, then I cordially invite you to refrain from doing so.

 

[Raziaar]

Good for you. And the one law you stated was irrelevant.

No law is Irrelevant if the lawyers can find some way to make it relevant.

And I guess it goes to show... that even though they're your friends, and you and your friends private forum(as per your first post), you must not have any sway over your friends.

 

[Absinthe]

No law is Irrelevant if the lawyers can find some way to make it relevant.

And if lawyers should be brought into this, I'd like to see them find anything libellous in the comments "LOL", "Hahahaha", and "omfg".

And I guess it goes to show... that even though they're your friends, and you and your friends private forum(as per your first post), you must not have any sway over your friends.

I'm probably not very convincing when I say something without my heart behind it.

But if all that's going to take place from now on are accusations of me being stubborn and online (superficial) analysis of my relationship with my peers, then I can safely say that this topic is finished.

 

[bliink]

I think his original question has been answered; its just getting off topic now.