Damn, British Army is HARDCORE

was just reading an artical about in in the paper. I reckon the brits have the best army in the world :) they are so well trained and still fight amazing well under pressure
 
That is some of the best fighting I've heard of in the last few weeks.

And the Warrior taking 7 RPGs - they are equipped with a state-of-the-art inner magnetical shield that stops the regular RPG-7 rounds, but not the new RPG-7VR. So they were mainly lucky.
 
Sprafa said:
That is some of the best fighting I've heard of in the last few weeks.
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'Best' being used in the subjective sense, of course. :|
 
As Maggie once said, "Proud to be British". Damn right.

I think one of the reasons our troops are perhaps better at dealing with conflicts is the fact that they train with less equipment, less high-tech wizardry than alot of other countries. We don't have GPS or any nonsense, it's good ol' map-reading and stars - just what you need in real situations. It means we're better at adapting to changing situations and learn to think up better strategies and what-not.

The Royal Marines can yomp for miles and miles and miles with loads of kit on their backs and still be ready for battle at the end of it. Go Royals!
 
I think you guys are a bit too self confident. I think there's alot of countries with soldiers just as well trained as the brits... But it WAS well-handled of the british soldiers down there. That'll teach those damn rebels... Or something..
 
I do agree that it is a bit sily to get all patrotic and say we are the best. Because to be honest we probably arnt. They allways say there is allways something better.

We do seem to do fairly well considering though. :)
 
Even the French have a great miltiary, no really they do....
 
Heheh, its true that the French are underestimated.

They have some pretty impresive stuff to be fair.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
I reckon the British army are so damn good for their size because from what I have read the government spends far more money on training than it does on equipment.... :p

Also the whole mentality of our army is "Be the best". Thats even the armys tag line. I think that people who join the army here actually want to be the best. They want to prove to the world that we are still have decent armed forces.


We also have some damn sweet technology considering our cash flow problems..... ;)

For example, the challenger2 tank is one of the best in the world. Right up there with the Abrahms. Hell our armour is (Probably) the best in the world. :)



I have to go now, i'll read replies later. :)
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Check my profile on my main forum

http://forums.thebattlefields.com/member.php?userid=93

Ive had that Theme for over a year, and this news merely proves me right.

The reason the brits dominate is becuase our guys are "robots".
they get the basics tuaght to them all the time. 24/7.
As soon as the first round goes off every person in the squad knows what they are doing.

And yes, the Challenger Mk2 is the most armoured tank in the world, with 0 losses to enemy fire in its entire history.
 
Dougy said:
Check my profile on my main forum

http://forums.thebattlefields.com/member.php?userid=93

Ive had that Theme for over a year, and this news merely proves me right.

The reason the brits dominate is becuase our guys are "robots".
they get the basics tuaght to them all the time. 24/7.
As soon as the first round goes off every person in the squad knows what they are doing.

And yes, the Challenger Mk2 is the most armoured tank in the world, with 0 losses to enemy fire in its entire history.
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The American military is the same, but we probably have more special forces then the british have normal infantry.
 
Too bad our rangers are on par with the british regular infantry.
 
I tell you what though... the SAS are an incredible bunch...


I dunno if you guys know much about them (No one knows all that much) but i will tell what i saw during the start of the media coverage of afganistan.

It showed a group of resistance fighters fighting the taliban with the help of about 6 SAS guys for support. The funny thing was that the camera at one point followed this one dude who was holding a heavy machine gun like it was a SMG... like rambo.... :eek: and this guy was heafty. I mean he was fireing supprisingly accuratly considering the thing he was lumbering arround. :rolling:

Then theres this other guy taking carefull shots with his 16 and is quite clearly hitting with every single shot because he moves his aim radically after every shot.



The most scary thing was that these guys were fighting with absolutely no expresion on their faces. These are bloody phycos!!! :x



You should look for a video of the Iranian Embasy seige. Thats quite impresive.
 
:hmph: By the looks of it, I think you guys are asking for American military Vs. British military :dozey: .
 
FictiousWill said:
I'm not surprised. British soldiers are badasses. American soldiers are 90% the stupid kids who couldn't graduate high school and can't add more than 10 (they run out of fingers). eg: Failed all your classes? There's always the military! That's how it is in the states.
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utter ignorance that you have son. maybe back when the vietnam war was going on but american soldiers are extremely smart and extremely deadly (Most of them not the few dumbasses like at the prisons)
 
I definatly aint asking for a comparison between the British and American millitary....


I think they have different practices on some fronts. But both get the job done. Thats whats important.
 
Dougy said:
And yes, the Challenger Mk2 is the most armoured tank in the world, with 0 losses to enemy fire in its entire history.
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Yeah but how much actual resistance has it seen? Target shooting at crappy Iraqi T-72's?
It's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D

I thought the Israeli Merkava was the most heavily armoured.

But anyway, the Leopard 2A6 > all (including the M1A2)
 
I agree, the recent wars haven't been fought on equal terms and thank god for that. The Iraqi and Afghan tanks aren't on par with the tanks available to USA, UK, Germany, France and lots of other countries. Just old soviet junk, most of it anyway. If there'll be an invasion of North Korea at some point, then there'll be some heavy fighting and it most certainly will not go as "easy" as Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
I think the main difference is that the American forces have far higher availability of the high-technology and their training is aimed more towards familiarizing a soldier with the high-technology, where as the British military, it compasses both high-technology but they are also taught to never rely on it 100%.

But also, the American media has portrayed some of the American military divisions, such as the Marine corp to be nothing but killing machines, that are sent in to kill everyone with no regard for themselves and then come out again.
 
My Dad saw a building the SAS raided, they used demolitions on the windows to get in the I guess that started a fire.
 
Razor said:
But also, the American media has portrayed some of the American military divisions, such as the Marine corp to be nothing but killing machines, that are sent in to kill everyone with no regard for themselves and then come out again.
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The Marine Expeditionary Units, or MEU's are some of the most hardened fighters in the Unites States military, They are based off carriers, and are made to be self suffiecent fighting forces.

They are also used as the first forces in a combat zone, they can be quickly deployed almost anywhere around the world, and they do their job very well.

They are the men and woman that secure the area for the rangers/seals/whatever else to be deployed.

Tip of the sword, They say.
 
AudioRage said:
The Marine Expeditionary Units, or MEU's are some of the most hardened fighters in the Unites States military, They are based off carriers, and are made to be self suffiecent fighting forces.

They are also used as the first forces in a combat zone, they can be quickly deployed almost anywhere around the world, and they do their job very well.

They are the men and woman that secure the area for the rangers/seals/whatever else to be deployed.

Tip of the sword, They say.
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I know someone who was a sniper for the 82nd airborne, and he gets mad when everyone says the marines were the first ones there. He says he was there 3 weeks(or maybe it was months....but that seems way too long) before the marines.
 
Foxtrot said:
I know someone who was a sniper for the 82nd airborne, and he gets mad when everyone says the marines were the first ones there. He says he was there 3 weeks(or maybe it was months....but that seems way too long) before the marines.
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I didn't say they were the first on the ground in this conflict, I was just stating that part of the duty of the MEU's is to be the first fighters on the ground, and to not have to rely on anyone else for anything for a while, they are a fully contained combat unit.
 
I know, that just reminded me of him so I said that.
 
Ah, okay, lets stay on topic now before some disgruntled british mod comes by and locks the thread >.>
 
There's no actual rule on who goes in first. The Rangers are made for going in first. The Airborne units aswell, and finally the marines.
 
Marines-Seaborne assault, lots of damage in a small area
Airborne-Airborne assault
Rangers-Same as airborne but I don't think they are made to stay for a sustained conflict.
 
FictiousWill said:
I'm not surprised. British soldiers are badasses. American soldiers are 90% the stupid kids who couldn't graduate high school and can't add more than 10 (they run out of fingers). eg: Failed all your classes? There's always the military! That's how it is in the states.
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wow one of the dumbest things iv heard in a while
 
let's not forget there will usually be reccy groups going in to check things out well before the assault groups do.

And yes the american forces are very good - although I have to say (being a Brit ;) ) that as far as I know, americans have learnt alot from british people going over there and teaching them some of the ways we do things.....

yes this is rapidly turning into American vs British argument!
 
/me waves the union jack...

BRITAIN OWNS U ALL

See, Americans... See how ANNOYING patriotisim is when its not your country we're being patriotic about? Yes, you annoy us.
 
Man, that's brave. Those guys are bad arse. They only got 3 injured and NONE killed? Wow.
 
MURPHY, AUDIE L.

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company B 1 5th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Holtzwihr France, 26 January 1945. Entered service at: Dallas, Tex. Birth: Hunt County, near Kingston, Tex. G.O. No.. 65, 9 August 1945. Citation 2d Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by 6 tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to prepared positions in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, 1 of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machinegun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy's indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy's objective.
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http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohiib1.htm

Those Britains are definately hardcore, but this guy has everyone beat. I feel bad for him though. He had major problems after WW2. He's got my respect, thats for sure. And i'm Australian
 
Pobz said:
/me waves the union jack...

BRITAIN OWNS U ALL

See, Americans... See how ANNOYING patriotisim is when its not your country we're being patriotic about? Yes, you annoy us.
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It is only annoying when someone put down your country, otherwise it is fine.
 
Sparta said:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohiib1.htm

Those Britains are definately hardcore, but this guy has everyone beat. I feel bad for him though. He had major problems after WW2. He's got my respect, thats for sure. And i'm Australian
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I think everyone who gets the Victory Cross, Medal Of Honour, or any of the other medals similar to it, have a very similar story to that. But every man and woman who put themselves in harms way for the good of their own family and friends and country back home deserves a medal.
 
Foxtrot said:
It is only annoying when someone put down your country, otherwise it is fine.
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I agree. Patriotism is fine by me, I actually like seeing people proud of their countries, but when people put down my country is the only time I get ticked-off.
 
Patriotism is OK. Blind patriotism has lead to some of the worst atrocities in human history.
 
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