Do you believe in a god?

[Ikerous]

glad you can agree.

I agread that something i said was a statement.. and? That in no way changes the fact you're wrong...

 

[poseyjmac]

Nope, still lost...

uhhh, do you know who the christian god is? you know, that old book called the bible kinda talks about him?

 

[Ikerous]

uhhh, do you know who the christian god is? you know, that old book called the bible kinda talks about him?

And you somehow thought that by god i meant the christian god instead of any god? How about instead of argueing semantics you TRY to understand what other people are saying...
You might learn something :/

Unless you're just here to simply argue, in which case please tell me so i can leave

 

[poseyjmac]

And you somehow thought that by god i meant the christian god instead of any god? How about isntead of argueing semantics you TRY to understand what other people are saying...

don't try and backpedal. when you say 'believe in god' that is universally known as believing in THE god from the bible, because the christian god is the only god referred to as just 'god'. you didn't know that? ...wow how many geniuses do we have here at hl2.net?

 

[Ikerous]

don't try and backpedal. when you say 'believe in god' that is universally known as believing in THE god from the bible, because the christian god is the only god referred to as just 'god'. you didn't know that? ...wow how many geniuses do we have here at hl2.net?

Sorry, i didnt know that. I'll try and be smarter next time

 

[Absinthe]

False assumption: "God" refers only to the Christian one. :rolling:

 

[poseyjmac]

False assumption: "God" refers only to the Christian one. :rolling:

not necessarily. in context, god can mean the christian god, such as in 'do you believe in god?', but if he doesn't want to give the respect, he won't capitalize the g.

 

[Ikerous]

Well if you're done argueing semantics...
Could possibley get back to explaining how:

I dont believe in (a) god
There is no god

Are the same exact thing, because I'm still lost. And if you're right, id prefer enlightenment to ignorance

 

[Ennui]

What do you mean by this?

For anything to exist it must be there, yes we can only see whats there but it is surely a good standing point, because it works for our lives, there has never been much application for "non physical" never any absolute proof, because you cannot prove it(lets not get on a quantum mechanics discussion)

I believe we are purely like a machine, i'm interested by peoples ideas of having something non physical about life, but have never worked out any reason for the idea.

As far as belief in a god or in God goes, or in belief that he or one or more exist, I've arrived at the conclusion that as there is absolutely no reason for him to exist other than as a psychological element for humanity, and thus he doesn't (beyond that, in people's imaginations). Our existance proves only our own, not God's.

As far as metaphysics go, it seems to me like it would make sense for there to be some metaphysical connection between humans and between nature and essentially everything in the universe. At first, it was my extremely basic and misconcieved notion of what superstring theory is that made me think that - IE if all matter is the same resultant of vibrating superstrings, then it would make sense that we're all connected, but since I realize that's a bit flawed given that superstring theory is far too complex to base such an idea upon and that's far too basic and limited a definition to work off of, it's more than I believe that on some level however small, humans and everything else in the universe from plants to planets are connected in some way.

There's no proof, but it all makes sense to me. I believe in soul (or personality, whatever), but it's heavily based off the human body being a complex machine - what it is, is all my life I've felt like I'm merely inside my body, using it but not really being it. Like I'm a soul that is shaped and formed through my experiences with this body, but the body is merely a complex tool with which I experience the world. I really haven't solidly decided on most of this stuff, it's all kind of me thinking as I type, since I can't particularly settle on anything given how uncertain it all is.

In short, I'm somewhat spiritual, in a non-religious and more metaphysical sense of the term, but I'm not religious.

 

[short recoil]

What Ennui said

Fair play, i understand that people experience and percieve life in completely different ways, this is why i never say to someone "you're wrong, you're a twat!!! lolz!!!" afterall, it could be my perception that is wrong....
I myself have always felt a whole biological unit, my mind being seperate only in the way it's all clumped together in the head.
Call me a nihilist but i really think we are just part of a planet and have evolved as chemical reactions, with no purpose, soul etc.

It dosn't mean to say i think there is no point, evoltion of life is a very very special thing, at least in our corner of space.
When you think about what exists it really does make you think, this is why i can understand people who believe it's more than just a reaction.

Eh well, i'll find out when for certain the day i mis-judge the oncoming ford granada.

 

[Jintor]

Someone summerize what everyone has said so far.

Posey's posts just manage to destroy any understanding i have of anything, what with the going red in the face, flaming, personal insults. Not that you're the only one, but, you post the most.

All i've got so far is arguing about whether Aethism is a religion or not, then arguing about the definition of religion, then personal insults, then arguing about the statement 'god does not exist' and 'i do not believe in god'.

And for the love of (non-specific entity), please, stop the personal insults, arrogance and condenscending superiority. I can sense it straight through the forums.

 

[Ennui]

Eh well, i'll find out when for certain the day i mis-judge the oncoming ford granada.

Or when you mistakenly assume it'll be destroyed by your incredible aura twenty feet before it hits you

 

[short recoil]

Or when you mistakenly assume it'll be destroyed by your incredible aura twenty feet before it hits you

hey, i'm trying to cut down on the "superiority" type posts. (bad habbit)
I don't think it's too much to ask for you to stop the silly comments...

I imagine i annoyed quite a few people before, i should hopefully act less like a testosterone filled silverback gorrila now.

 

[Ennui]

hey, i'm trying to cut down on the "superiority" type posts. (bad habbit)
I don't think it's too much to ask for you to stop the silly comments...

I imagine i annoyed quite a few people before, i should hopefully act less like a testosterone filled silverback gorrila now.

i mean no harm, it's just endlessly amusing to me :E especially the gandhi one don't you think? but i'll cut back

 

[Ikerous]

We wouldn't talk about you so much if we didn't love you short recoil

<3

 

[Ennui]

yeah i don't poke fun at people i don't like, i just flat out pwn them.

 

[poseyjmac]

poseyjmac quit stirring up shit just for the sake of stirring up shit, please.

i wanted to address this. now i know you and other forum members here have some close bond. i know how these communities work, you back each other up regardless of whats being discussed or what you think about. i understand that. but you are a mod, you aren't supposed to be biased. now i have flamed, and others have flamed me, so i don't think its appropriate for you to say that when absinthe and his cronies were obviously trying to gang up on me and throwing shit as well

a more appropriate thing to say would be 'everyone please stop trying to stir up shit just the for sake of stirring up shit. '

 

[Ennui]

they're ganging up on you because you're stirring up shit. you're making a huge deal out of minor things that hardly even address the issue of the thread in significant way. it's borderline trolling, and i'm not being biased when i'm calling you out on it.

 

[poseyjmac]

so its not alright for me to argue finer points, but its alright for them to flame me.

 

[Ikerous]

I think the thing is, is that to everyone else, it seems like you're just argueing for the sake of argueing. You seem to dismiss obvious logic and argue stuff that makes no sense. That to us seems like you're just 'stirring up shit'

And any flaming was definitely mutual... you implied that most ppl here are stupid...

"wow how many geniuses do we have here at hl2.net?"

 

[poseyjmac]

And any flaming was definitely mutual... you implied that everyone here was stupid...

for once can you back something up that you say with evidence?

You seem to dismiss obvious logic

i should dismiss obvious definitions of words then, absinthe style right?

 

[Ikerous]

for once can you back something up that you say with evidence?

Again... i was just trying to explain to you our point of view in a nice way and you respond in a condescending tone. I edited my other post before i saw yours with my 'evidence'

 

[spookymooky]

for once can you back something up that you say with evidence?



i should dismiss obvious definitions of words then, absinthe style right?

Nobody go there! Just let it slide! Ignore him, please!

 

[poseyjmac]

i wanted to know how many geniuses we had here, because this place is full of brilliant people and it constantly impresses me, is that so wrong?

 

[Ikerous]

When did we stop banning trolls?

 

[Ennui]

how about both sides calm down, pour some water on each other, and start having an intelligent, mature debate? that'd be nice.

 

[Absinthe]

how about both sides calm down, pour some water on each other, and start having an intelligent, mature debate? that'd be nice.

'Tis impossible when certain people abandon all forms of reasoning except for the most inane.

 

[Ikerous]

Agreed

If you still feel like discussing the subject, could you possibley answer my question on the other page?

Could you possibley get back to explaining how:

I dont believe in (a) god
There is no god

Are the same exact thing, because I'm still lost. And if you're right, id prefer enlightenment to ignorance

 

[poseyjmac]

'Tis impossible when certain people abandon all forms of reasoning except for the most inane.

see ennui, there he goes again. hes stirring shit up right now. do you not see? he didn't have to make another flame at my intelligence there.

and since when are dictionary definitions inane?

 

[Ikerous]

see ennui, there he goes again. hes stirring shit up right now. do you not see? he didn't have to make another flame at my intelligence there.

and since when are dictionary definitions inane?

Please, stay on topic

 

[poseyjmac]

Please, stay on topic

i think its possible for gods to exist...also you're off topic.

 

[Ikerous]

i think its possible for gods to exist...also you're off topic.

Yea i know, i just want you to answer my question XD

Oh, and no, i don't believe in any god, but I'm fully open to the idea that one could exist

 

[poseyjmac]

Yea i know, i just want you to answer my question XD

Oh, and no, i don't believe in any god, but I'm fully open to the idea that one could exist

everyone refused to answer my questions, so i don't think im going to answer any more questions. these threads are mostly pointless anyway, too many closed minds. people are comfortable with their beliefs, and only a small few actually are open to change. so then it just comes down to a show and tell thread.

 

[Ikerous]

everyone refused to answer my questions, so i don't think im going to answer any more questions. these threads are mostly pointless anyway, too many closed minds. people are comfortable with their beliefs, and only a small few actually are open to change. so then it just comes down to a show and tell thread.

I've already changed my views once in this thread, so i'm not sure what you're talking about. Several pages back i entered the thread on your side, only to be pursuaded to the other side by Absinthe. I'm honestly trying to learn. So if you will, i'd truly appreciate you answering my question.

And if you've directed any qustions towards myself that i've overlooked, feel free to point them out and i'll do my best to answer them

 

[poseyjmac]

I've already changed my views once in this thread, so i'm not sure what you're talking about. Several pages back i entered the thread on your side, only to be pursuaded to the other side by Absinthe. I'm honestly trying to learn. So if you will, i'd truly appreciate you answering my question.

funny thing is, me and absinthes world views are basically the same. the small things we were arguing weren't important ultimately. he just chooses to label himself a certain way(atheism) when in truth he is eligible for a far more open-minded and descriptive label. but it was something to do while my map compiles. i don't know where your question is so if you want to repeat it, ok, if not ok.

 

[Ikerous]

. i don't know where your question is so if you want to repeat it, ok, if not ok.

It's at the top of this page.. lol

Could you possibley get back to explaining how:

I dont believe in (a) god
There is no god

Are the same exact thing, because I'm still lost. And if you're right, id prefer enlightenment to ignorance

 

[poseyjmac]

It's at the top of this page.. lol

you know what, i was going to reply, but im done with dealing with your immature attitude. "LOL its at the top of the page, what an idiot! LOL!"

grow up.

i dont enjoy sifting through a bunch of crap by 5 different people, i frankly don't care enough too. you'll get more answers when you start acting mature. in the past ive ignored it, but you have to realize that if you act like a dick, you won't get dick.

 

[Ikerous]

you know what, i was going to reply, but im done with dealing with your immature attitude. "LOL its at the top of the page, what an idiot! LOL!"

Is that how that came off to everyone else? ;
It definitely wasn't meant like that...

If anything my laughing and the smilies have been an effort to show how light hearted i'd like this conversation to be

Seriously though, did anyone else take my comment like that?

 

[short recoil]

I hate it when people argue over a tiny point, the argument just digs itself into the ground and everyone just gets angry.
You will NEVER see me in one of those arguments, it's 03:22am, good night.

 

[Ikerous]

I hate it when people argue over a tiny point, the argument just digs itself into the ground and everyone just gets angry.

I'm not angry, i'm honestly searching for truth here ><
And it's hardly a tiny point. This question could very well be the basis on weather or not i believe atheism to be a religion or not.
I realize that's hardly important, but knowledge is knowledge