Do you believe in a god?

Do you believe in some sort of god?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 45.1%

  • No

    Votes: 100 54.9%
  • Total voters
    182
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Absinthe said:
Knowing and believing are two separate things. Again, agnosticism is not some middle ground. It's a complementary title.
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I'd say that you can't actually know anything, not even your own existance. You may be able to prove it with logic, but you cant know logic works. But, hey, that's nihilism and I imagine you're not interested.
 
spookymooky said:
I'd say that you can't actually know anything, not even your own existance. You may be able to prove it with logic, but you cant know logic works. But, hey, that's nihilism and I imagine you're not interested.
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Don't bother arguing with atheists about agnosticism. They dislike it as much as they dislike theism.
 
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm

Please read this if you're going to discuss agnosticism. I beg you. I'm sick of this.

"Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism."
 
God is the Unknown.

hence I bid you the question; Can there be knowledge of the unknown?
 
All that says is that Agnostics are literally "Without knowlege" of God. What does that change?
 
Absinthe said:
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm

Please read this if you're going to discuss agnosticism. I beg you. I'm sick of this.

"Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism."
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Wow, I was expecting him to start tearing up agnosticism. That's a gg right there. Good read that I agree with. You can be both. I used to be an agnostic-atheist. There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with agnostic-theism either.

Doesn't change the fact that I and many others label ourselves as regular ol' agnostics who don't know and only answer in if a God exists or not is "N/A." Not everything has to be black and white.
 
spookymooky said:
All that says is that Agnostics are literally "Without knowlege" of God. What does that change?
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Essentially that being "without knowledge" is a quality exhibited by theists and atheists. Agnosticism is not some standalone viewpoint like you make it out to be.

You believe or you don't believe. Your certainty is an entirely different matter. If you don't follow religious teachings and go through your life without factoring in a deity, then it's pretty clear that you harbor no belief in deities. Hence, atheism.
 
Absinthe said:
Essentially that being "without knowledge" is a quality exhibited by theists and atheists. Agnosticism is not some standalone viewpoint like you make it out to be.

You believe or you don't believe. Your certainty is an entirely different matter. If you don't follow religious teachings and go through your life without factoring in a deity, then it's pretty clear that you harbor no belief in deities. Hence, atheism.
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Well, I guess it's kinda immature to try to have the last word or whatever, but I just want to say that it doesn't seem to me anyone knows either way. The pope may believe strongly in God, but that's not the same as knowlege. You can't believe in a knowlege. There's a good example of that in Small Gods, if you ever get the chance to read that.

Anyways, unless someone says something particularly grevious on the subject, I probably won't bring up the definition of Agnosticism again.
 
Yeah, might as well end it here because this is really just going back and forth with nothing.

...Anyone else besides myself who's non-religious believe in karma?
 
The Pope would be considered a regular ol' theist. I would assume that his personal "knowledge" of God's existence seems to him unquestionable and that there's no room for uncertainty.
 
Absinthe said:
The Pope would be considered a regular ol' theist. I would assume that his personal "knowledge" of God's existence seems to him unquestionable and that there's no room for uncertainty.
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Well...he is the Pope. Kind of comes with the job.
 
I think the Pope would be cooler if he had shoulder-mounted laser-guided missile cannons.
 
Do you belief that somethings are objectively wrong?

Do you belief that there are some things humans ought nought do?

(I'm stealing those phrases straight from bioethics, but I really don't like them. I dont quite understand objective v. subjective, and the word "ought" is past-tense of "owe", but its been perverted.)
 
Do you belief that somethings are objectively wrong?

Do you belief that there are some things humans ought nought do?
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I believe there are some moral absolutes. For example, murder, rape, adultery, and the like are all wrong.
 
MiccyNarc said:
I believe there are some moral absolutes. For example, murder, rape, adultery, and the like are all wrong.
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Alright, just wondering what you meant by your "black and whites" post.
 
I have no belief in moral absolutes. I believe morality stems from the human requirement of cooperation for survival. We use empathy and reasoning. Different cultures have their varying forms, but there are almost always underlying common values.
 
Absinthe said:
I have no belief in moral absolutes. I believe morality stems from the human requirement of cooperation for survival. We use empathy and reasoning. Different cultures have their varying forms, but there are almost always underlying common values.
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I actually agree with you on this.
:cheers:
 
there can never be any moral absolutes. for instance, if 10,000 people were held hostage, and you were told to rape a person, or else these 10,000 people would die. so then, not raping would be evil.
 
Absinthe said:
I have no belief in moral absolutes. I believe morality stems from the human requirement of cooperation for survival. We use empathy and reasoning. Different cultures have their varying forms, but there are almost always underlying common values.
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I am an individual and free. Communities can go **** themselves for all I care.
 
Nat Turner said:
I am an individual and free. Communities can go **** themselves for all I care.
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If you do something that violates nobody's rights, it is morally correct. Otherwise it is not.
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You admit that the community certainly does play a part in establishing moral code.
 
And the threads merge! Well done, Absinthe, I was going to point out something similiar.
 
Absinthe said:
You admit that the community certainly does play a part in establishing moral code.
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"Nobody" can be another invididual. I follow my morals without regard to any laws in place that are established by the community.
 
When I speak of communities, I'm not referring to official bodies regulated by government rulings or "laws" so to speak. I speak of systems of human interaction and relationships. I believe morality to be a product of empathy and dependence among the species.

I'm not disagreeing with you, for the record. :)
 
Absinthe said:
When I speak of communities, I'm not referring to official bodies regulated by government rulings or "laws" so to speak. I speak of systems of human interaction and relationships. I believe morality to be a product of empathy and dependence among the species.

I'm not disagreeing with you, for the record. :)
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Yeah, I think we may be saying the same thing with different wording.
 
I believe in a supreme being or force, but not in "god".

The quotes are an essential part of my statement.
 
sinkoman said:
I believe in a supreme being or force, but not in "god".
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I'm just curious as to what you mean by this. Could you elaborate a bit?
 
Absinthe said:
I'm just curious as to what you mean by this. Could you elaborate a bit?
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I think we were created on purpose through the Big Bang, which inevitably led to our form through evolution. I think it is likely we have something called a "soul", although it would be absolutely impossible to discern and it doesn't affects our behavior in any shape or form. It's almost like an observer of our actions. This soul should give no justification to any actions we do, because it affects us in no way, if it even exists. I also think it is likely there is a continuation for us in some shape or form after death. It is possible that the soul is universally connected and observes everything sentient in the world, and cannot die.

I think it's impossible to tell if our creator wants us to do anything specific, or if he wants us to follow certain morals. I think the universe is not infinitely complex, because it's not an infinite size.

I arrived to these possibilities through rational thought, and am in no disagreement with anything that science has proven.
 
I don't believe in a supreme being nor a god or religious figure of any type.

I trust only myself. The universe bends to my will, and I will meet my own demands.
 
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