Do you believe in a god?

[short recoil]

Natural law could give us our bodies, sure, I can agree with that. But not the things that make us seperate from animals: creativity, generosity, self-awareness, etc.

Those are just parts of our brain that come from being advanced, it's not something "completely" different.

It's like comparing an old voodoo 2 graphics card with an x800xt
"oh that can do 3d but it can't do HDR, pixel shaders etc"

It's simmilar curcuits with more advanced curcuits developing through evolution.

Our close relatives the great apes share a lot of our "advanced features"

It is part of your brain curcuitry to think there is something more, a self awareness that exists responds and analyses your own thoughts.
Like a checking code in a program.

Believe me, there is no "ultimate difference" we are simply more advanced.

 

[poseyjmac]

You're closeminded because you said all atheists were closeminded. That's denying the existance of an openminded atheist.

an atheist by definition is close-minded. so an openminded atheist is an oxymoron. little advice to you, you can't argue with the definition of an atheist. but hey if you have time to kill. have at it.

What don't I deny the existance of?

you tell me

 

[Tantalus]

an atheist by definition is close-minded. so an openminded atheist is an oxymoron. little advice to you, you can't argue with the definition of an atheist. but hey if you have time to kill. have at it.

atheist. 'a' means 'no'. 'theo' mean 'god'. Atheist mean 'no god'.

An atheist doesn't believe in a god. But that doesn't mean they aren't open to other beliefs.

 

[Cukel]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cukel
I think believing in some sort of a higher being is comparable to Santa Claus - you are told that if you just believe in him he will do you nice things. But when you grow older, you realize that such thing would be impossible, and even ridiculous.

I find this highly offensive and high inaccurate (from a Christian standpoint).

Well im sorry for that. Maybe I was being a bit rude, but my point is that most priests actually say that if you believe in Jesse good things will happen to you, you will find a new meaning to life, your thought will be more clear than ever, etc etc. Maybe they dont mean "nice things" as gifts and candy, but alot of priests sort of try to bribe us into Christianity.
And yes, I do compare christianity (and alot of other religions) into old fairytales. Sounds offensive, but wasnt meant to be. Sorry for if anyone lost their faith from this.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

You know what? It doesn't matter what you believe. When you die, one of two things are going to happen:

1. In the event of no God, you're going to stop existing. It might seem like a pisser, but when you're dead, you've got no concept of what its like. You're not able to have concepts. You are dead, and cannot do that.
2. In the event of a God, you're going to the afterlife. Considering how insignificant we are in the universe, I don't think he'll give a damn wether you believed or not - what matters is that you're there, and He's going to judge you on how you've lived your life, not on your religion.

So, believe or not, its not going to matter. You'll be happy if there is an afterlife, or you'll be unable to even be unhappy.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Tantalus]

Well im sorry for that. Maybe I was being a bit rude, but my point is that most priests actually say that if you believe in Jesse good things will happen to you, you will find a new meaning to life, your thought will be more clear than ever, etc etc. Maybe they dont mean "nice things" as gifts and candy, but alot of priests sort of try to bribe us into Christianity.
And yes, I do compare christianity (and alot of other religions) into old fairytales. Sounds offensive, but wasnt meant to be. Sorry for if anyone lost their faith from this.

Thank you for the clarification.

Personally, while I believe the Bible is inherent (perfect in nature), I also believe that majority of the Christian society completely misinterprets it. I do not believe you have to do any good things to go to heaven, just repent and believe.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

I don't believe the Bible is perfect, but I consider myself a Christian. It should be taken as metaphor, rather than straight fact. And as its second hand knowledge (notice how neither God nor Jesus wrote any of it), people stuck their own opinions in (homophobic and women-oppression bits).

-Angry Lawyer

 

[ríomhaire]

I don't realy know.

 

[poseyjmac]

atheist. 'a' means 'no'. 'theo' mean 'god'. Atheist mean 'no god'.

An atheist doesn't believe in a god. But that doesn't mean they aren't open to other beliefs.

whether they are open to other beliefs is irrelevant. they deny the existence of god/gods. that makes them close-minded in that area.

 

[Tantalus]

I don't believe the Bible is perfect, but I consider myself a Christian. It should be taken as metaphor, rather than straight fact. And as its second hand knowledge (notice how neither God nor Jesus wrote any of it), people stuck their own opinions in (homophobic and women-oppression bits).

-Angry Lawyer

I personally think the Bible is

"God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2nd Timothy 3:16. Bell Rang, gotta go

 

[Nat Turner]

I don't believe the Bible is perfect, but I consider myself a Christian. It should be taken as metaphor, rather than straight fact. And as its second hand knowledge (notice how neither God nor Jesus wrote any of it), people stuck their own opinions in (homophobic and women-oppression bits).

-Angry Lawyer

Except that Jesus was quoted a lot in the new testament.

 

[KoreBolteR]

i believe theres some sort of god out there, yes.

but i hate religion

 

[Nat Turner]

I personally think the Bible is

"God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2nd Timothy 3:16. Bell Rang, gotta go

Beating your children accomplishes the same thing. :E

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Except that Jesus was quoted a lot in the new testament.

Jesus is metal. All of the quotes are actually song lyrics.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Teh_Poet]

whether they are open to other beliefs is irrelevant. they deny the existence of god/gods. that makes them close-minded in that area.

No. You should listen to yourself and pay a visit to dictionary.com

close-mind·ed (adj) Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.

Most atheists are more receptive to religion than you are about atheism.

 

[Absinthe]

an atheist by definition is close-minded. so an openminded atheist is an oxymoron. little advice to you, you can't argue with the definition of an atheist.

Posey, you're developing a habit of talking shit you know nothing about. I encourage you to read up on atheism and the common beliefs many atheists have.

For reasons I have already detailed in this very topic, there is nothing close-minded about atheism. Yes, there are some atheists that deny the existence of gods outright, but that position is not something inherent in atheism itself.

Your comments on how you're open to all possibilities is dandy, but that doesn't stop you from disbelieving in certain things. Do you wake up every morning with the fear that gravity will reverse itself and you'll go spiralling into the sun?

 

[15357]

Indeed, my faith was lost a few years ago when the church-going children were all troubled young men, to say the least.


Actually, they were crazy, destroying parked cars and stuff. When I saw the kind of anticitizens who belived in god, I lost my faith completely. That was in America, btw.

 

[poseyjmac]

Posey, you're developing a habit of talking shit you know nothing about. I encourage you to read up on atheism and the common beliefs many atheists have.

For reasons I have already detailed in this very topic, there is nothing close-minded about atheism. Yes, there are some atheists that deny the existence of gods outright, but that position is not something inherent in atheism itself.

Your comments on how you're open to all possibilities is dandy, but that doesn't stop you from disbelieving in certain things. Do you wake up every morning with the fear that gravity will reverse itself and you'll go spiralling into the sun?

No. You should listen to yourself and pay a visit to dictionary.com

alright special ed class. read carefully.

a·the·ism Audio pronunciation of "atheism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-zm)
n.

1.
1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
2. Godlessness; immorality.

an atheist denies the existence of god/gods. there is denying, accepting, and neutral. now can anyone tell me which atheism is? yep, thats right! denial!

as i said before, the fact that atheism targets god/gods to deny the existence of shows bias. where there is bias, there cannot be true open-mindedness. thus close-mindedness is present where true atheism is upheld.

now if this doesn't fit for you and you are open-minded about the possibilities of god/gods, then you are NOT an atheist.

 

[Raziaar]

Yes, I believe in god.

 

[Skaadi]

I believe in God, but its religion that annoys me. I suppose though that religion has been a part of my life for so long that.........meh

 

[Kyorisu]

We're all sinners anyhow so what's the difference?

 

[Skaadi]

true, true, but theres this priest that I know, its creepy, he seems almost inhuman...

 

[Absinthe]

an atheist denies the existence of god/gods. there is denying, accepting, and neutral. now can anyone tell me which atheism is? yep, thats right! denial!

Your own dictionary quote defeats you. "Disbelief or denial" is what it says, and guess what? They are not the same. And this neutrality you speak of is non-existent. You either believe or you don't believe. The certainty of such a belief is a different matter.

That you can't even comprehend something so blatantly forward that it's nearly slapping you in the face is absolutely dumbfounding. You keep running back to the same source again and again despite of the fact that it refutes exactly what you're saying.

I'll be honest. I wonder if you can muster the ability to tie your shoes. And to think you have the gall to accuse people of being close-minded when you cling onto such a narrow and flawed definition of atheism.

 

[Kyorisu]

I deny the existance of gods. Big deal! Maybe I believe in reincarnation, you have a problem with that?



I do not believe in reincarnation btw. Why does it have to be a god is all I'm asking?

 

[poseyjmac]

absinthe, now you are just grasping for straws ridiculously. i know you want to 'get' me on the forum so you can get some sort of satisfaction, but the problem is your current intellect does not make you capable of doing so.

you're a textbook closeminded forum troll. you can't even level on a definition from dictionary.com, so theres no point going any further. you don't want to face the truth because its too painful for your frail will to handle. this also says a lot about your character in real life. you have my pity.

 

[venturon]

Nice argument.

 

[Skaadi]

Oh god, here we go, could the two of you please pm each other and take the piss out of each other there please?

 

[Absinthe]

I give up, posey. Your comprehension skills are so severely lacking that I now realize arguing with you is like ramming my head against a wall. I'm not trying to best you. I'm pointing out your BS because I take offense to being called close-minded because you have no clue as to what atheism is and what it isn't.

http://atheism.about.com

Read it extensively, because I'm not putting up with this crap any more. The most I can hope for is that you'll walk away knowing something, but that doesn't seem likely. If you want to accuse somebody of being a troll, keep in mind that you are the one bandying about baseless accusations and insulting people in sheer ignorance. You can't even address my argument, instead being content with acting like some superior enlightened entity.

 

[poseyjmac]

you are being ridiculous, still. while there are 2 definitions of atheism brought to the table. you somehow deem the one you found the ultimate, and the one i found bogus? talk about close-minded. i dont feel like reading all the different defintions of atheism. but an atheist who goes by the definition i found at webster.com is close-minded. if you don't fit that defintion, then just dont post to me. very simple. you've said a lot of unneeded bullshit, when if you would have just thought it through, you would have realized there was nothing to say.

 

[Absinthe]

For purpose of clarification, you never specified any "type" of atheism. All your posts have been general lashings.

I never deemed my particular belief system to be the ultimate. I merely pointed out how your narrow definition insulted all atheists. And the one in the dictionary defines atheism as denial or disbelief in deities. Disbelief in something in no way qualifies as close-mindedness. So when you source the dictionary and say "atheists suck" (yes, I know you didn't say that) without specification, you shouldn't be surprised when you offend somebody.

 

[who]

Like others have said, peoples beliefs and ideas dont matter, it doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in a god(s), all that matters is you treat others as you would wish to be treated.
I doubt there will ever be a perfect place or a perfect relegion (i dont mean to offend) but as in life we should make the best of it.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

George Bush is God.

 

[CyberPitz]

George Bush is Sexy.

Fixt!!

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Angry Lawyer is Sexy.

Fixt!!

Fixt further!

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Raziaar]

Angry Lawyer thinks Raziaar is Sexy.

Fixt further!

-Angry Lawyer

Fixt for the better.

 

[poseyjmac]

Like others have said, peoples beliefs and ideas dont matter, it doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in a god(s), all that matters is you treat others as you would wish to be treated.
I doubt there will ever be a perfect place or a perfect relegion (i dont mean to offend) but as in life we should make the best of it.

i think that thinking is very shallow. which is why its nice to be open to supernatural possibilities, that there might be something more to life than ****ing and sucking each other and than dying. because what will being nice to people get you when yout heart stops beating?

atheism is also very shallow. of all the supernatural possibilities, it chooses to deny JUST god/gods. what a limited way of thinking. if the bible didn't exist, its quite possible atheism wouldn't either. its just a product, a product of those who don't believe in the most popular god. sure there may be some open-minded atheists out there, but atheism isn't a label id ever want to associate myself with. too limiting.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Like others have said, peoples beliefs and ideas dont matter, it doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in a god(s), all that matters is you treat others as you would wish to be treated.
I doubt there will ever be a perfect place or a perfect relegion (i dont mean to offend) but as in life we should make the best of it.

This has to be the only bit of sense anyone's made here all week long.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[The Monkey]

As Lemonking's mum would say: NEIN!

 

[Beerdude26]

As Lemonking's mum would say: NEIN!

After which she would honk her nose

 

[The Monkey]

After which she would honk her nose

Yeah