Do you believe in a god?

[Nat Turner]

atheism is also very shallow. of all the supernatural possibilities, it chooses to deny JUST god/gods. what a limited way of thinking. if the bible didn't exist, its quite possible atheism wouldn't either. its just a product, a product of those who don't believe in the most popular god. sure there may be some open-minded atheists out there, but atheism isn't a label id ever want to associate myself with. too limiting.

You are incorrect. Atheism is the absence of belief in anything supernatural. If all religions and spirituality didn't exist, everyone would be atheist.

You are referring to anti deism in your argument, not atheism.

Atheists are very openminded because they arrived to their own conclusions.

 

[Nat Turner]

This has to be the only bit of sense anyone's made here all week long.

-Angry Lawyer

This is my favorite quote:

All Faith is false, all Faith is true: Truth is the shattered mirror strown in myriad bits; while each believes his little bit the whole to own. -- Richard Francis Burton

 

[Angry Lawyer]

After which she would honk her nose

*moves Beerdude26's name one space closer to the top of the list "Who we should ask to playtest ZM"*

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Insano]

*moves Beerdude26's name one space closer to the top of the list "Who we should ask to playtest ZM"*

-Angrty Lawyer

*hopes he is still number one*

 

[poseyjmac]

You are incorrect. Atheism is the absence of belief in anything supernatural. If all religions and spirituality didn't exist, everyone would be atheist.

You are referring to anti deism in your argument, not atheism.

Atheists are very openminded because they arrived to their own conclusions.

yet you quote no official source with this definition. if you can't back up what you say, say nothing.

but taking from absinthes link:

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/atheism101.htm

you might want to read up on it before inventing your own definitions. oh but then, maybe your definition of incorrect means correct.

 

[bvasgm]

*moves Beerdude26's name one space closer to the top of the list "Who we should ask to playtest ZM"*

-Angrty Lawyer

:O


I've never seen him do that before.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Lies. I am not Shens.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[kaikisjew9]

i never did and i guess i still dont, which is wierd kuz since 1st grade ive gone to a catholic school.. but i dont kno sumtimes i find myself praying so i guess its growing on me...

 

[Skaadi]

i never did and i guess i still dont, which is wierd kuz since 1st grade ive gone to a catholic school.. but i dont kno sumtimes i find myself praying so i guess its growing on me...

Catholic school? Are the girls really as skanky as they say? No offence intended of course.

 

[Uriel]

I certainly do *Cough* im Mormon *Cough*

And i really believe that Religion is not for the weak. Holy smokes, I'm not suppose to drink, smoke, drugs, sex before marriage, swear, etc. You think thats easy?!?!? Well it is for some people, guess it depends on who you are. If I didnt believe in God, i think id want to. Life without a purpose, thats depressing.

 

[Raziaar]

I certainly do *Cough* im Mormon *Cough*

And i really believe that Religion is not for the weak. Holy smokes, I'm not suppose to drink, smoke, drugs, sex before marriage, swear, etc. You think thats easy?!?!? Well it is for some people, guess it depends on who you are. If I didnt believe in God, i think id want to. Life without a purpose, thats depressing.

Especially when you think about loved ones, maybe young loved ones who died of unnatural causes, or what have you... thinking that they just rot in the ground. That their life was cut short and thats it for them. Dirt.

That, and thinking that truely horrible people get the same equal treatment as the innocent people they tortured and killed when they die. I just can't do it. But... there's far more reasons than that.

 

[the_ghost_of_you]

If there is indeed a god, he (or she) isn't doing a good job down here. i mean, if ppl are going to be divided on sumthing like that... oh i dunno... it just makes u wonder. i reckon we should have an election to elect a new god. then pitchfork the old 1.

 

[Skaadi]

If there is indeed a god, he (or she) isn't doing a good job down here. i mean, if ppl are going to be divided on sumthing like that... oh i dunno... it just makes u wonder. i reckon we should have an election to elect a new god. then pitchfork the old 1.

Damn straight, we can sacrafice the old God to the new.

 

[Absinthe]

Life without a purpose, thats depressing.

That right there is where the accusation of being weak comes into play.

If you require a supernatural deity for meaning in your life, then that's your choice. I can do so without one. The purpose of your existence is dependent on what value you place in it.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

If there is indeed a god, he (or she) isn't doing a good job down here. i mean, if ppl are going to be divided on sumthing like that... oh i dunno... it just makes u wonder. i reckon we should have an election to elect a new god. then pitchfork the old 1.

Or maybe it's because our time on Earth is so short and insignificant that He/She chooses not to intervene? God's got a whole universe to look after. Humanity can't be the centre of attention all the time.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Kangy]

Where the heck is the "I don't know" option?

 

[Raziaar]

If there is indeed a god, he (or she) isn't doing a good job down here. i mean, if ppl are going to be divided on sumthing like that... oh i dunno... it just makes u wonder. i reckon we should have an election to elect a new god. then pitchfork the old 1.

What makes you think a god has to intervene in such direct ways to make life nothing but happiness and bliss? I'm not really someone who believes in a great divine plan, where everything everyone does is planned by god.

People are subject to the will and behaviors of other people, not because god has it in his great plan, but because he gave people that very will and freedom to choose what they want to do, even if they choose to do acts of evil.


Anyways... I hate talking about god in an internet forum, but I will say this. God doesn't have to 'do a good job' to be considered a good god. He can intervene only when he thinks it is necessary.

 

[Tantalus]

Poseyjmac, I have one question for you.

If all atheists were inherently closeminded, then how are there conversions?

Just like Obiwan Kenobi off SW III when he said "Only the Sith think in absolutes" (ironic because that is an absolute in itself).

Atheists are open to other religions. You don't seem to get this. Hence, they are not closeminded.

 

[Tantalus]

Anyways... I hate talking about god in an internet forum, but I will say this. God doesn't have to 'do a good job' to be considered a good god. He can intervene only when he thinks it is necessary.

QFT!!!

 

[WaterMelon34]

Yes I do believe in a higher being. However, I don't credit him with the creation of everything. I leave that up to evolution and nature in general. Like when I see a bunch of flowers, I don't say "Look at God's beautiful creations." I have to give credit to nature for that kind of thing.

Actually... Science is beginning to prove that God DID screw around with the world, and since God screwed around with the world that must mean there is a god (duh). I won't give you any reference because I'm too lazy to google it, but I know a good movie called "What the **** do we know?" also known as "What the bleep do we know?".

It actually shows you how water molecules CHANGE everytime a different person looks at some water. :rolling:

BTW: I hope this doesn't become a Christian VS. Atheist super mecha zilla battle. Oh wow I just realized there are 15 pages in this thread... v_v gg.

 

[Absinthe]

Science is beginning to prove that God DID screw around with the world, and since God screwed around with the world that must mean there is a god (duh).

...what.

 

[the_ghost_of_you]

What makes you think a god has to intervene in such direct ways to make life nothing but happiness and bliss? I'm not really someone who believes in a great divine plan, where everything everyone does is planned by god.

People are subject to the will and behaviors of other people, not because god has it in his great plan, but because he gave people that very will and freedom to choose what they want to do, even if they choose to do acts of evil.


Anyways... I hate talking about god in an internet forum, but I will say this. God doesn't have to 'do a good job' to be considered a good god. He can intervene only when he thinks it is necessary.

I gotta agree with ur dislike about talking about god on an internet forum - ppl have different views on religion, and ppl can be touchy around the subject. I really like ur middle paragraph too - very smart.

 

[the_ghost_of_you]

Actually... Science is beginning to prove that God DID screw around with the world, and since God screwed around with the world that must mean there is a god (duh). I won't give you any reference because I'm too lazy to google it, but I know a good movie called "What the **** do we know?" also known as "What the bleep do we know?".

It actually shows you how water molecules CHANGE everytime a different person looks at some water. :rolling:

BTW: I hope this doesn't become a Christian VS. Atheist super mecha zilla battle. Oh wow I just realized there are 15 pages in this thread... v_v gg.

I no double tagging... but we should really try for this not to become some sought of religious debate. and wow... this is a very topical thread... 15 pages. Cool!

 

[ailevation]

The Ancients were Gods.

They figured out the power of tetrahedrons.

 

[15357]

Tommorow is the day when the Old Chosun was founded by a bear/semi-god hybrid. :|

in 2333 B.C.

So, every Korean is a decendant of a god and bear. Fecking strange.

 

[Jintor]

Buddhism all the way.

 

[Raziaar]

Atheists are open to other religions. You don't seem to get this. Hence, they are not closeminded.

I've yet to meet an Athiest that was friendly and open minded about religions. Every one I have met, internet or otherwise seems to be really mocking when it comes to others religions.

 

[Nat Turner]

I've yet to meet an Athiest that was friendly and open minded about religions. Every one I have met, internet or otherwise seems to be really mocking when it comes to others religions.

They're open to other religions precisely because they can find so much stuff to mock. Clearly they are knowledgeable on the subject.

 

[Skaadi]

The Ancients were Gods.

They figured out the power of tetrahedrons.

I think you watch too much Stargate, hopefully no more than I do.

 

[Ikerous]

I've yet to meet an Athiest that was friendly and open minded about religions. Every one I have met, internet or otherwise seems to be really mocking when it comes to others religions.

I'm agnostic, if that counts, and I attend church every week. If anything, i'm open minded about religion.

 

[Raziaar]

I'm agnostic, if that counts, and I attend church every week. If anything, i'm open minded about religion.

I don't attend church. Religion is between myself and god.

 

[Ikerous]

I don't attend church. Religion is between myself and god.

It's a nice place to go and learn about other people's interpretations of the Bible. Sometimes i find they're ideas more convincing than ones i previously held. And afterall, the Bible and Prayer are our sole means for understanding God's will our lives, so understanding the Bible fully can be vital to a Christians life.

 

[dream431ca]

The Bible teaches you about the religon..but there is also a bad thing about it...if you get to much into the bible...all you see is the bible and not the actual religon...I know some people that say "I see it in the bible so you can't deny it and if you do you'll go to hell." I hate those kind of people really close minded.

 

[poseyjmac]

Poseyjmac, I have one question for you.

If all atheists were inherently closeminded, then how are there conversions?

Just like Obiwan Kenobi off SW III when he said "Only the Sith think in absolutes" (ironic because that is an absolute in itself).

Atheists are open to other religions. You don't seem to get this. Hence, they are not closeminded.

you can be partially closeminded and still convert. but there is inherent bias in atheism, so there is an inherent level of closemindedness.

 

[Nat Turner]

poseyjmac:

Just stop talking, seriously. Even if I took what you said and translated it back and forth between english and french 10 times, it wouldn't lose its key points.

(because there are none)

There is no inherent level of closemindedness or bias.

 

[Prince of China]

I've yet to meet an Athiest that was friendly and open minded about religions. Every one I have met, internet or otherwise seems to be really mocking when it comes to others religions.

Same here, this board seems to be full of them.

 

[Ikerous]

Atheism is the belief that there is no god...
Theres absolutely no evidence or logic to back that up...
It's not so much closeminded as it is completely unsubstantiated though

 

[Uriel]

What grinds my beans is when people think that atheism is the "fair" view when it comes to the US Consitution. I find it outrageous that people are sued for flying a banner that states "God Bless America" or that it isnt politically correct having the Ten Commandments on the outside of a courtroom. I wouldnt care if someone had "Buddah bless America" on a banner outside their business or the Star of David on the outside of a Courtroom. Does it hurt you in anyway?

 

[poseyjmac]

poseyjmac:

Just stop talking, seriously. Even if I took what you said and translated it back and forth between english and french 10 times, it wouldn't lose its key points.

(because there are none)

There is no inherent level of closemindedness or bias.

its not debatable as the definition proves my point. atheism is a religion(a belief system as defined in webster) that targets 1 small aspect of the supernatural(god/gods) to deny. its limited, shallow, and biased. the fact that atheism is so focused on denying gods makes me laugh at how unintelligent the ones who came up with atheism are. very shallow thinkers.

now if atheism denied anything supernatural, that would make more sense. but the limited focus of it makes it a close-minded way of thinking.

 

[Ikerous]

Does it hurt you in anyway?

My problem with statues of the ten commandments being places in court houses is that it's often paid for by tax payers. Thats a lot of money spent by the government to endorse one particular religion over another, which is a pretty clear problem. Not to mention they're being housed on public property, which tax payers also pay to maintain. I also dislike the idea that when I enter a court I'm somehow subject to the laws or ideas of the Bible; most of which are scarey as hell.
(Sorry.. i like puns )