Do you do drugs?

Do you do illegal drugs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 20.4%

  • No

    Votes: 109 79.6%
  • Total voters
    137
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Bull Goose Loony]well for 1 it makes any video game better by 1000[/quote]Nice Kesey name. Also said:
Never in your life can you have an intelligent conversation with a crinkly brown paper bag, until you take some drugs.
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It's more of having a conversation with a certain deeply hidden facet of your personality that has manifested itself in the crinkly brown paper bag, really.

Vass said:
Besides your health and mental stability, drugs are fine. Just something I like, health and mental stability, that is. The thing is, besides creating some good music, nothing good has ever come out of drug use.
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Huh. Since you're using this unbelievably stupidly broad categorization of "drug", which describes anything from alcohol to claritin to dimethyltryptamine to marijuana, and therefore have made an incredibly ignorant statement with your declaration there, let's have a little chat.

First, not all drugs are bad for your physical health. Many of the more common psychedelics have either nonexistent or minimal physical health risks - the most you'll get from them is mild to moderately unpleasant physical side effects that are not dangerous. For reference, see psilocybin mushrooms [Shrooms], d-lysergic acid dithylamide [LSD], dimethyltryptamine [DMT], d-lysergic acid amide [Morning Glories], 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine [Mescaline], and salvinorum-A [Salvia].

As for depressants [alcohol], narcotics [heroin], and stimulants [cocaine], as well as some dissociatives [PCP], physical harm is probably far less likely than you think, and in most cases can be minimized or greatly reduced by responsible use. For example, the notorious stimulant cocaine, demonized by the government and media, has been used by over 10% of American high school seniors, was absolutely adored by Freud, and is not very dangerous - most of the dangers lie in impure cocaine, overdose, and routes of administration - and of course, addiction, which is purely psychological. Heroin's dangers are also mostly from impurity of heroin or needles that lead to disease or overdose. Alcohol, which is legal, is dangerous because of overdose (alcohol poisoning), and addiction, but can be used responsibly with relative ease. PCP is something you don't want to touch. I'm unsure of the physical dangers, which I think are relatively small, but dissociatives in general tend to do complicated things in the brain that we do not understand.

Mental stability - responsible use of psychedelics like I mentioned above (which involves research, research, and more research) has relatively low risks of any real mental dangers. The main danger lies in people predisposed to have schizophrenia and other mental disorders, and shouldn't be doing drugs for any reason anyway because it's just a bad idea. If you're responsible and naturally healthy, the only thing with psychedelics there is to worry about mentally is the fractional possibility of HPPD, a visual disorder that can be caused by taking hallucinogens. Essentially, you continue to recieve visual distortions for prolonged periods after use - but it is often mild and not a big deal, as well as that it almost always fades away, even for the tiny percentage of people that are prone to develop it.

Mental dangers of most narcotics and stimulants are limited to the potential of physical or mental addiction, which you can read all about right here.

NEVER make ignorant statements about things you know nothing about.
 
Anything that gives the brain a trip, and is addictive is a drug IMO.
 
99.vikram said:
Anything that gives the brain a trip, and is addictive is a drug IMO.
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LSD, magic mushrooms, DMT, and most other psychedelics that anyone would consider giving the brain a 'trip' are not addictive.
 
Ennui said:
LSD, magic mushrooms, DMT, and most other psychedelics that anyone would consider giving the brain a 'trip' are not addictive.
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Addiction is not only caused by ingrediance, but can just be caused by the fact that the effect was very desirable. So if you really liked you LSD or shroom trip, and you wanted to experience it again so badly and offten, that would be an addiction.
 
A psychological addiction, yes. But that is something the user can control. It's not the same as, say, craving nicotine.
 
WhiteZero said:
Addiction is not only caused by ingrediance, but can just be caused by the fact that the effect was very desirable. So if you really liked you LSD or shroom trip, and you wanted to experience it again so badly and offten, that would be an addiction.
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Believe me: you don't want to trip every day. It is such an intense experience that you need at least a week to digest it all. I have used shrooms a couple of times and I have had my fill now, even though all my trips were positive. One big danger hallucinogenics offer though is the flashback. Especially LSD can stay in your system for quite some time, and without warning it can start working again.
 
Shakermaker said:
One big danger hallucinogenics offer though is the flashback. Especially LSD can stay in your system for quite some time, and without warning it can start working again.
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Not to be blunt but that is bollocks.
WhiteZero said:
Addiction is not only caused by ingrediance, but can just be caused by the fact that the effect was very desirable. So if you really liked you LSD or shroom trip, and you wanted to experience it again so badly and offten, that would be an addiction.
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Simply wanting something is not the same as being addicted to it. And as shakermaker said, hallucinogens are not something most people would want to use daily.
 
Reaktor4 said:
Not to be blunt but that is bollocks.
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I looked it up and I was partly wrong. LSD does disappear; it gets metabolized by the liver and it leaves your body when you pee. But flashbacks are quite real, according to Wikipedia. About one in every four LSD-users will experience flashbacks.
 
Reaktor4 said:
Not to be blunt but that is bollocks.
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Actually he's totaly right. In fact, there are those who were heavy into LSD back in the 60's that still have flashback trips today.
But ignorance is bliss I guess...
 
it's not like flashbacks occur when you're in your car on the highway going 80mph and transport you to Xen for a few minutes... they're just mild small episodes with elements of a trip. mostly brought on if you had a very bad trip. shrooms also have flashbacks.

WhiteZero, it's nigh impossible to get addicted to a psychedelic like those I listed, even psychologically. You see, after tripping... unless you're really crazy, you don't really want to do it again for at LEAST a week. I wait a few weeks in between trips, minimum... and I have no real desire whatsoever to do the drug again in that time.
 
Ennui said:
it's not like flashbacks occur when you're in your car on the highway going 80mph and transport you to Xen for a few minutes... they're just mild small episodes with elements of a trip. mostly brought on if you had a very bad trip. shrooms also have flashbacks.
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Yeah, you describe it quite well. It's not like you experience a whole trip again, but it's just elements that return. I had this fascination for oranges on my first trip and every now and again when I see an orange, it can have this distinct trippy glow around it.
 
Shakermaker said:
I looked it up and I was partly wrong. LSD does disappear; it gets metabolized by the liver and it leaves your body when you pee. But flashbacks are quite real, according to Wikipedia. About one in every four LSD-users will experience flashbacks.
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Flashbacks are not what the popular media and anti-drug governments would make them out to be. You dont just start tripping, it isnt like that at all. Its sort of like deja vu in reverse, you just feel like you are in that situation again for a second.
There is something else called hppd which does involve visual symptoms but it is very rare and it is not like tripping either.
WhiteZero said:
Actually he's totaly right. In fact, there are those who were heavy into LSD back in the 60's that still have flashback trips today.
But ignorance is bliss I guess...
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Yeah i should learn not to argue with people that know better than me.....
:rolleyes:
 
Ennui said:
it's not like flashbacks occur when you're in your car on the highway going 80mph and transport you to Xen for a few minutes... they're just mild small episodes with elements of a trip. mostly brought on if you had a very bad trip. shrooms also have flashbacks.
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However, I find the concept of driving along one day, then suddenly being struck by green lightning and the sound of portal thunger, and driving through a nebula, quite hillarious. It'd be like that bit at the beginning of HL1, when the Cascade begins. Except at high speed, and trying not to turn bullsquids into roadkill.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
However, I find the concept of driving along one day, then suddenly being struck by green lightning and the sound of portal thunger, and driving through a nebula, quite hillarious. It'd be like that bit at the beginning of HL1, when the Cascade begins. Except at high speed, and trying not to turn bullsquids into roadkill.

-Angry Lawyer
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AL: "Wai hello thar Mr. Orange!"

AL's GF: "Babe, were you just talking to the orange"

AL: "Leave me allone senator. I know what i'm doing."
 
Flashbacks do occur. I know, because a friend of mine used to go pretty hard on the LSD, and she gets them sometimes. Scary :x
 
Angry Lawyer said:
However, I find the concept of driving along one day, then suddenly being struck by green lightning and the sound of portal thunger, and driving through a nebula, quite hillarious. It'd be like that bit at the beginning of HL1, when the Cascade begins. Except at high speed, and trying not to turn bullsquids into roadkill.

-Angry Lawyer
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Zounds! Someone make a mod!
 
Ennui said:
it's not like flashbacks occur when you're in your car on the highway going 80mph and transport you to Xen for a few minutes... they're just mild small episodes with elements of a trip. mostly brought on if you had a very bad trip. shrooms also have flashbacks.
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Angry Lawyer said:
However, I find the concept of driving along one day, then suddenly being struck by green lightning and the sound of portal thunger, and driving through a nebula, quite hillarious. It'd be like that bit at the beginning of HL1, when the Cascade begins. Except at high speed, and trying not to turn bullsquids into roadkill.

-Angry Lawyer
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Ennui said:
Zounds! Someone make a mod!
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JNightshade said:
"Acid Trip: Source" :LOL:
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This made me want to make a game.
Stand alone.

So I spent a good 20 hours working on what I'm about to post here now. It's a game where you have a flashback and suddenly you are driving in Xen and have to avoid turning bullsquids into roadkill, like Angry Lawyer described.

All the graphics are done by me, in MS Paint. All sounds are done by me, in Fruity Loops. The entire game was made by me, in Game Maker 6.

I wanted to go 8-bit style on the sounds, to fit the 2D low res graphics.

I can't believe I spent that much time making something so relatively pointless, but if just one persons laughs and enjoys it then I'm happy.

So here it is. 2 different mirrors for you. The game ends when the high score table shows up. Post your best! The best possible is 3000, that is if you run over no bullsquids, which is next to impossible.

http://vegeta897.googlepages.com/AcidTrip.exe
http://www.guildunknown.com/~vegita897/AcidTrip.exe

:)
 
I killed all the damn bullsquids like a pro.
 
"Acid Flashbacks" as you know them are a myth. You dont start tripping when you have an acid flashback. What happens is some elements of a trip temporarily return (such as distortions in your vision). You dont hallucinate or lose contact with reality. And its just not true that one in four LSD users have flashbacks. It's closer to maybe 1 in 500.

LSD metabolises very quickly from your body, and it does NOT stay in your spine or whatever. When it metabolises, it's gone. Nobody knows what actually causes a "flashback".

Something that can happen when you use psychadelics is that you may develop a condition called Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (or H.P.P.D). This is more uncommon than a "flashback", and means that the user will still have symtoms from the drug even weeks after taking it. That means you trip for 12 hours, but you dont really come down completely, and some elements of the trip are still there. Things like "tracers", or other distortions in your vision or other senses. But not hallucinations or disconnection from reality.

HPPD lasts for different periods of time for everyone, and no one knows what causes it either. But both HPPD and "flashbacks" are very uncommon. Most people who have had them will tell you that its nothing worse than annoying. And some will tell you that they enjoy it, because it's free.

Anyway, transporting to Xen while driving is not a worry. Even if you dose acid properly and heavily, the effects come on frustratingly slow. And just when you feel like youve stopped coming up, and start coursing the bastards name that ripped you off... ZANG!
 
evil^milk said:
wow. Loved the music :E
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Heh, I wasn't too proud of it, I was stumbling around with the melody and the drums came out like shit. But thanks everyone, more well recieved than I thought it would be.
 
Loc-Dog said:
"Acid Flashbacks" as you know them are a myth. You dont start tripping when you have an acid flashback. What happens is some elements of a trip temporarily return (such as distortions in your vision). You dont hallucinate or lose contact with reality. And its just not true that one in four LSD users have flashbacks. It's closer to maybe 1 in 500.

LSD metabolises very quickly from your body, and it does NOT stay in your spine or whatever. When it metabolises, it's gone. Nobody knows what actually causes a "flashback".

Something that can happen when you use psychadelics is that you may develop a condition called Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (or H.P.P.D). This is more uncommon than a "flashback", and means that the user will still have symtoms from the drug even weeks after taking it. That means you trip for 12 hours, but you dont really come down completely, and some elements of the trip are still there. Things like "tracers", or other distortions in your vision or other senses. But not hallucinations or disconnection from reality.

HPPD lasts for different periods of time for everyone, and no one knows what causes it either. But both HPPD and "flashbacks" are very uncommon. Most people who have had them will tell you that its nothing worse than annoying. And some will tell you that they enjoy it, because it's free.

Anyway, transporting to Xen while driving is not a worry. Even if you dose acid properly and heavily, the effects come on frustratingly slow. And just when you feel like youve stopped coming up, and start coursing the bastards name that ripped you off... ZANG!
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the ether was wearing off. the acid was long gone.. but the mescaline was running strong. good mescaline comes on slow. the first hour's all waiting. then halfway into the second hour you start cursing the creep who burned you, and then - ZANG!
 
Nope, I have a phobia on any kind of drug, well, anything that isn't Advil or Tylenol. Even so, I probably only take 1 drug a year, which would be a Advil due to a serious headache
 
Anybody know where I could get some Petroleum Ether?
 
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