do you guys thing pc's are the real gaming console?

[wonkers]

Consoles are better. You can't argue with a system that doesn't need tech support- patching -updating.

PLUS you have solid well worked games that usually come with better cases, and manuals.

PC's pioneer new gameplay and rule the FPS market but consoles are way more bang for your buck.

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[DrEvil]

I'm going to agree, but also disagree that dollar for dollar. Personally, I think you are getting a better value with consoles. You can barely buy a decent video card for PC with the same amount you would spend on a console system with a couple of accesories.

PC is clearly the top-end though.

True, but the consoles are a bloody rip off too. They don't even give you a second joystick. The costs pile up by the time you walk out of the store with your console.

 

[Mountain Man]

Not anymore.. and for some consoles = not for long.

We'll see how widespread these devices become and how many developers take advantage of them. But don't you find it interesting that consoles are looking to adopt an interface that is almost synonomous with the PC?

This is the dumbest statement iv'e read so far, in HL2.net forums..

Super mario Bros, Sonic, Super Metroid, Zelda, Final Fantasy, DKC, Megaman ect ect ect ect ect = gameplay..

Um, those are all action games, which was my point. PCs offer gameplay diversity and not just genre diversity.

 

[She]

Um, those are all action games, which was my point.

i REALLY hope you are kidding..

 

[DrEvil]

And the number 1 reason why the PC is the better platform is the multiplayer experience. Sure the consoles are starting in that direction, but as it stands, the console multiplayer doesn't even approach the pc multiplayer world.

 

[Mountain Man]

i REALLY hope you are kidding..

I'm sure you do, since I just eviscerated your argument.

"*gulp* Boy, do I feel like an idiot. Maybe he's kidding? Yeah, that's it, he's just kidding!"

 

[She]

I'm sure you do, since I just eviscerated your argument.

"*gulp* Boy, do I feel like an idiot. Maybe he's kidding? Yeah, that's it, he's just kidding!"

Since when is Super Mario Bros an action game?...
Since when is Sonic the Hedgehog an action game?
and Since when is Donkey Kong Country an actiongame?

 

[Mountain Man]

Since when is Super Mario Bros an action game?...
Since when is Sonic the Hedgehog an action game?
and Since when is Donkey Kong Country an actiongame?

Now I hope you're the one whose kidding. How are they not action games? Just because they have the genre label of "platformer" doesn't exclude them from falling into the broader category of "action games".

(By the way, Donkey Kong Country is an awesome game!)

 

[Warbie]

For innovative, creative and challenging single player experiences you really have to look to consoles. The pc has it's moments - but not often (games like HL2 and Rome come once in a blue moon)

Of course, the PC is the king for a few genres (RTS, online FPS etc) ...... but there is very little diversity, rehash after rehash tending to be the norm these days. There's been a definate improvement recently, but for the last few years the pc games market has been stale :/

Hardware means bugger all when the games are shite

(all this stuff about pcs being for the mature, thinking gamer is obviously complete rubbish too. We're talking video games here Zelda and Mario are as grown up as Counter Stike and GTA. Everyone here is a big kid who still likes to play army - so why pretend otherwise?? )

 

[She]

Now I hope you're the one whose kidding. How are they not action games? Just because they have the genre label of "platformer" doesn't exclude them from falling into the broader category of "action games".

hahahha.. jesus christ.
I know what you mean.. Dont try to be an smartass.. :|
But they are FAR more Platform games than Action games.. therefore we call them platform games.. and they fall into that category.
Let me give you an example:

Half-life2 =

Jumping on boxes and platforms = Platform
Shooting/killing = Action
Story & Talking = RPG
Thinking & reacting = Strategy
Buggy = Racing
Swimming = Sports

Still, we call it an Action game..
or an FPS (first person shooter)

Why not (first person swimmer, or first person jumper??)
There you go.

edit: Whatever

 

[Mountain Man]

Point being, most console games focus on action regardless of genre. This is a direct result of the limitations imposed by the controller.

 

[Warbie]

Point being, most console games focus on action regardless of genre. This is a direct result of the limitations imposed by the controller.

What are you talking about??

What pc games don't focus on action?

And how about the limitations of a mouse and keyboard? (one of the reasons there is so little variety in pc gaming)

 

[Homercidal]

True, but the consoles are a bloody rip off too. They don't even give you a second joystick. The costs pile up by the time you walk out of the store with your console.

Actually, I think consoles are not too bad. I spent $130 for an Atari 2600 when I was a kid. It took me all summer of cuttin firewood and mowing the lawn to buy it. And my parents paid for the last $30. So, today's $150 to start with plus another $25 for a second controller. Throw in another few dollars for a memory card and you have a basic system.

When you compare the adjusted cost of my Atari 2600 to the $175-200 the new system costs, it doens't seem so bad. Plus the modern games have more variety and the consoles have more feaures like DVD player, network and online gaming, etc.

Spend $200 for PC and you won't even get near a top-end video card. If you are starting from scratch, you won't even get a PC to game with.

I just think that for gaming in general, they are great deals. Of course you could always buy a $79 gameboy SP and spend even less and it's even more portable.

 

[Homercidal]

What are you talking about??

What pc games don't focus on action?

And how about the limitations of a mouse and keyboard? (one of the reasons there is so little variety in pc gaming)

How is a KB/Mouse limiting? I find it much better for most of the games i play (FPS), but still almost every single controller made for the consoles is available for the PC. Driving wheels, gamepads, joysticks, etc.

I agree that the consoles don't keep up with them. Sometimes using just a controller is clumsy and inefficient. Hopefully newer systems will allow for KB/mouse use entirely.

 

[DrEvil]

Point being, most console games focus on action regardless of genre. This is a direct result of the limitations imposed by the controller.

what is this :""As a negative point the missing multiple egg merchant is stated." about? I know it's from a review why is that supposed to be funny?

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Yes. PCs are superior to all consoles. The mouse and keyboard are simply easier to use and the graphics/performance greatly outweigh X-box, Playstation, or even nintendo and enables greater and greater gaming experiences. Let's all hope game developers give up on consoles so good games won't suffer from horrendous console-converted controlled games.

 

[Bait]

Yes. PCs are superior to all consoles. The mouse and keyboard are simply easier to use and the graphics/performance greatly outweigh X-box, Playstation, or even nintendo and enables greater and greater gaming experiences. Let's all hope game developers give up on consoles so good games won't suffer from horrendous console-converted controlled games.

I agree with most of what you say, but the whole "Let's phase out consoles" idea is a bit extreme. The only console I've ever owned was an N64, and I loved it. But anyways, while PCs are superior to consoles, I don't think that consoles will ever go away.

 

[Warbie]

How is a KB/Mouse limiting? I find it much better for most of the games i play (FPS), but still almost every single controller made for the consoles is available for the PC. Driving wheels, gamepads, joysticks, etc.

I agree that the consoles don't keep up with them. Sometimes using just a controller is clumsy and inefficient. Hopefully newer systems will allow for KB/mouse use entirely.

Sure, if you only play FPS (although some great shooters have used joypads) There are other obvious titles that benefit from a m&k - rts for example.

But what about sports, driving, fighting, platform, 3rd person etc etc titles?? Fair enough, you can use some console pads on pcs. Unfortunately, very few of these games come out for the pc - and the ones that do are often available, and superior, on consoles.

Usually the only thing that is clumsy and inefficient is the user. (you only have to see some of my 'pc only' mates playing Golden Eye and Halo for proof. Completely unable to grasp how anaolgue movement works, they run about shooting the ceiling, the floor, the walls - basically anything but the intended target. It's as though they have no control over their thumbs. Of course, all the blame is directed firmly on the controller when the simple truth is they can't use a joypad to save their life. I believe this to be the case with the vast majority of people who complain about joypads being unresponsive, innacurate etc)

There's a whole wealth of games that aren't suited to a mouse and keyboard. There are also games that are designed to be used with a specific joypad in mind. One of the reasons Mario 64 is such an amazing game is because it was designed with a specific pad in mind. (you can't expect the same experience when using another controller. Try emulating the game an using a duel shock pad. You'll be surprised how poor the result is in comparison) This is the case for many, many games. Using a 3rd party pad on a pc is a very poor substitute.

 

[Warbie]

Yes. PCs are superior to all consoles. The mouse and keyboard are simply easier to use and the graphics/performance greatly outweigh X-box, Playstation, or even nintendo and enables greater and greater gaming experiences. Let's all hope game developers give up on consoles so good games won't suffer from horrendous console-converted controlled games.

That's complete and utter bollox.

Where are these pc games?? I'm sorry, but they aren't there (which, as a pc fan, pains me to say)

The fact is that a mouse and keyboard is superior for a few genres only.

As for the gfx - without a good game behind the visuals they mean nothing. *cough* Doom 3 *cough*

 

[The Mullinator]

Consoles are slowly becomming more and more like PC's. Eventually there really won't be any differences and these arguments will cease to exist.

For now I still play console games occasionally but only for those games that are exclusive for them. At the moment as pure gaming systems they are basically tied, however in the long run PC's are proving superior. After all if they weren't then we wouldn't have console designers slowly adding PC features to them.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

That's complete and utter bollox.

Where are these pc games?? I'm sorry, but they aren't there (which, as a pc fan, pains me to say)

The fact is that a mouse and keyboard is superior for a few genres only.

As for the gfx - without a good game behind the visuals they mean nothing. *cough* Doom 3 *cough*

Mafia (console version just plain suck compare to PC), Half-life (okay, but the console version came so much later than the pc, why you ask? Because PC is better!!!), Rome: Total War, Civ 3, Civ 2, Max Payne, Max Payne 2, Vietcong, Call of Duty, Homeworld
also, PCs can be added to, enhanced, they develop, they cost less in the long run and computer games to pc are cheaper than to consoles.

 

[Warbie]

Mafia (console version just plain suck compare to PC), Half-life (okay, but the console version came so much later than the pc, why you ask? Because PC is better!!!), Rome: Total War, Civ 3, Civ 2, Max Payne, Max Payne 2, Vietcong, Call of Duty, Homeworld

We're just going to end up arguing the toss now

I thought Mafia was ok at best (on all formats) Vietcong, Call of Duty, are exercises in how to make a very average game. Max Payne and Max Paybe 2 are pretty good ... but would have been considerably better with analogue movement. None of these titles are anything to write home about.

Of course, Civ and Rome are complete classics , and Homeworld is pretty neat too (these fall into the few genres I was talking about, though)

As for Half-Life - we all know it was great (and also falls into the 'few genres' category ) I consider Golden Eye to be easily as good, though.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

We're just going to end up arguing the toss now

I thought Mafia was ok at best (on all formats) Vietcong, Call of Duty, are exercises in how to make a very average game. Max Payne and Max Paybe 2 are pretty good ... but would have been considerably better with analogue movement. None of these titles are anything to write home about.

Well... Some people might argue that. Like me for instance.

 

[Valve_Assassin]

Max Paybe is how I came to know the game as after awhile

And I'd like to point out that Max Payne's dialogue if ****ing atrocious.

 

[Valve_Assassin]

...they cost less in the long run... QUOTE]



Pft. A new video card by itself costs more than a brand spanking new console.

Edit: Wow, sorry about the double post, I completely forgot that I had just posted!

 

[Dougy]

The following is a long time PC player who has several cousins/friends who are console whores....

The PC platform with enough money from the player is by far superior.

the only pro a console has is the price, that is it.

Graphics
sound
game genres
peripherals
multiplayer
sheer scale
more options open to devs
much more uses for things other than games


Plus of course the fact that you need a PC (i think Mac as well) to design a console game in the first place...

PC > All

Pft. A new video card by itself costs more than a brand spanking new console.

Edit: Wow, sorry about the double post, I completely forgot that I had just posted!

Cost of console roughly £300 (using original prices) cost for extra controllers and dvd remotes etc... £100+

UK average for PC game £30 UK average for console game £50

in the long run a console will cost more than a pc, in terms of games alone, then throw in the consoles remake every 4 years and you basicly tie with the PC hardware wise.

 

[destrukt]

there is no way you can say yes.

videogame consoles are the real gaming 'machine' (pc isn't really a console .. ). they were made for the purpose of playing games, pc's were made for more informative purposes, therefore, conoles are the real gaming 'machine'

 

[Crusmang]

If you are a true, old-school, die-hard gamer, then you know that consoles own PC's in the gaming arena. Why? Here's the reasons...

1) PC gaming is not just based on skill. It's based on who has the largest wallet. If I sit down and play Tekken 4 with my friends, I know that we are on a level playing field and the best gamer will win. With PC's maybe the other guy has a more expensive and faster internet connection. Maybe he also had the money to spring for 2 gigs of Corsair, an X800XT PE, and an FX 53. And a Razor mouse too... GGZ rich boy :dozey:

2) PC's are better at FPS games? I tend to agree. But this is only ONE genre out of many. Try playing a fighting game on the pc. And Halo, Quake 2, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Timesplitters, Metroid Prime, and soon Halo 2 all prove that FPS games can be done on consoles WITHOUT the cost of gameplay.

3) Every gaming genre with the exception of FPS's has originated in either a: the arcade, or b: consoles. Ultima. Street Fighter. Mario. Pac Man. Pole Position. R-Type and Gradius, Q Bert, Robotron, Contra... the list goes on and on. What does pc have to offer? Wolfenstein. A monumental game, but that's really about it as far as creating new genres.

Now don't get my wrong. I love my pc and the games made for PC do have better graphics... But better graphics don't equal better gameplay. Just something to think about...

 

[Subz]

PC = best online = best

 

[<RJMC>]

I love consoles and PC

but I prefer consoles cuz Pc you need to upgrade them if you want best quality,also if you want a game you hav to see the requirementes

and yes I know that I can upgrade them but for me upgrade a PC is a lot expensive
maybe for you dont cuz you all are rich peoples but think about that nobody has enough money

and I played FPS in consoles and IMO they are so easy to control whit a controller like a muse and keyboard

also is stupid the people saying "consoleas are for pussies""consoles are for gays"

is just stupid fanatism

so my message to all that anyoing consoles hater is:
STOP BITCHING PC FANBOYS CONSOLES ARE COOL SO STFU!!1 I KNOW THAT YOU WILL START TO FLAME ME BUT I DONT CARE I LOVE PS2 XBOX GAMECUBE AND PC AND I DONT CARE WHAT IS BETTER!!!..........AND READ THE SPOIL IN MY SIG
is not a true spoiler but read it if you are a anyoign PC fanboy
I know this will no change your mind but still I am angry :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

[nw909]

"you may encounter dizziness " ... my ass ... only 40 year old women get dizzy when playing 3d games

I get dizzy from games sometimes.

Enter the Matrix did this to me, but it may have just been the extreme crappiness that did it.

 

[Kiva128]

When the guy started this thread, how many people knew it would turn into a PC vs Console thread?

*raises hand*



...

...

PCs rule!

 

[NeptuneUK]

PC's are the most superior gaming devices...second only to Palm Pilots.

you've never played that portable tetris game... have you?

 

[NeptuneUK]

I get dizzy from games sometimes.

Enter the Matrix did this to me, but it may have just been the extreme crappiness that did it.

play wolfenstein 3d for 2 hours....
go on.....


i wish i didnt... stupid maze level....

 

[Warbie]

I agree RJMC.

To limit yourself to one format means you're missing out on some of the greatest video games around.

 

[Homercidal]

If you are a true, old-school, die-hard gamer, then you know that consoles own PC's in the gaming arena. Why? Here's the reasons...

1) PC gaming is not just based on skill. It's based on who has the largest wallet. If I sit down and play Tekken 4 with my friends, I know that we are on a level playing field and the best gamer will win. With PC's maybe the other guy has a more expensive and faster internet connection. Maybe he also had the money to spring for 2 gigs of Corsair, an X800XT PE, and an FX 53. And a Razor mouse too... GGZ rich boy :dozey:

Spending the most on a computer does not guarantee that you will be the best at playing it. I know a couple of young kids that can wipe the floor with people who own Big Rigs. And those PC owners are excellent players. they just don't have enough time to practice and learn all of the tricks of the trade. also, try hitting a guy who's "Skipping" through a level.

2) PC's are better at FPS games? I tend to agree. But this is only ONE genre out of many. Try playing a fighting game on the pc. And Halo, Quake 2, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Timesplitters, Metroid Prime, and soon Halo 2 all prove that FPS games can be done on consoles WITHOUT the cost of gameplay.

I tend to disagree. All of those FPS games are easier to control with a KB/Mouse. Faster turns, more precise aiming.

3) Every gaming genre with the exception of FPS's has originated in either a: the arcade, or b: consoles. Ultima. Street Fighter. Mario. Pac Man. Pole Position. R-Type and Gradius, Q Bert, Robotron, Contra... the list goes on and on. What does pc have to offer? Wolfenstein. A monumental game, but that's really about it as far as creating new genres.

Bet you didn't know that Ultima did not start the RPG Genre. That grew from early text-based games and games like Wizardry for PC and other games which were popular with people who owned "trash 80's" and COCO computers. Oh, and RTS games appeared on PCs first. Adventure games like Space Quest, Leisure Suit larry, etc. began with early PCs. Didn't a game called "Myst" first appear on PC? Don't remember seeing that in the arcade... And let's not put down the FPS genre, which really started with Wolfenstein on the PC. It's only one game, but it's got a large following. Speaking of followings, seems to me that Sim games have become very popular. Those one started on PCs too.

Video games started in the arcade, but once people realized that they could make their own games on a PC, there was an explosion of unique games built by a diverse group of people who were interested in designing games that they thought they would enjoy. That is where games really took off in all different directions.



Now don't get my wrong. I love my pc and the games made for PC do have better graphics... But better graphics don't equal better gameplay. Just something to think about...

Yes, I agree. But a PC can offer more than just better graphics. If you want to just sit down and play games and not worry about spending a bunch of money, then Consoles are great. If you want to be creative and build your own content, interact with others online, take screenshots of your games, or use your gaming machine for other things besides gaming, then PC is better. So far I have not figured out how to dl pr0n on my PS2 either.

 

[Valve_Assassin]

So far I have not figured out how to dl pr0n on my PS2 either.

Heh, We used to do that on our dreamcast.

 

[Homercidal]

Cost of console roughly £300 (using original prices) cost for extra controllers and dvd remotes etc... £100+

UK average for PC game £30 UK average for console game £50

in the long run a console will cost more than a pc, in terms of games alone, then throw in the consoles remake every 4 years and you basicly tie with the PC hardware wise.

This must be wrong. Let's figure a 10 year span of time, using the cost of building a new computer and upgrading when needed (approx.) and compare with the cost of buying new console every 4 years. Factor in the cost of new games for each (I'd check current prices if I were you.) Sure the consoles are probably cheaper, and eventually they may some considerable money at some point in time, but I seriously doubt they'd soon catch up with the cost of buying and maintaining a PC.

Why don't you get started on that and let me know what you come up with. We can do an exchange rate conversion when we're done. I can't do one right now. I have to get to bed before the wife falls asleep.
:naughty:

 

[Homercidal]

Heh, We used to do that on our dreamcast.

The internet is a beautiful thing. Off to bed! :imu:

 

[Smack500]

I dont understand how people can say theres anything better about a console over a pc expept for price. THink about it please just have an open mind for a second. You can do anything on a pc that you can do on a console and more. I can use my ps2,xbox, or gamecube controller, plus thousands of pads made for the pc. There are hdtv video cards out now, I can run the wires to my tv from my computer, and play sitting on the couch watching the tv. I can play Multiplayer online without paying an extra cent. If you make decent money, and spend it well you can get a desktop, and laptop for gaming. How much more portible can you get then a lappy? Pcs can also play games made for the console not released for the pc, not at first might have to wait a long time, but you still can. Its called emulators.

Theres not 1 singly thing you can name a console can do the pc cant, or something the console does better. All you can say is, its cheaper.