do you guys thing pc's are the real gaming console?

[ManHacks]

i like pc the best becuase of how easy it is to mod games and download extras. I also like being able to edit the config files of games like crazy.

 

[Smack500]

First of all let me say I dont cheat, but I also must add if your a cheater you wouldnt have to pay to cheat on pc. As a matter of fact I think gameshark tried to make something for the pc, but it was a bust.

 

[Warbie]

Theres not 1 singly thing you can name a console can do the pc cant, or something the console does better. All you can say is, its cheaper.

The difference is a wide variety of innovative and creative titles.

As much as I love pc gaming, it's obvious there is little diversity in it's games these days. Of course, what you consider to be a good game is highly subjective. What isn't subjective is the vast choice consoles provide (from party games to sports sims, dance mats to eye toy)

In comparison the pc offers very few titles for a limited no. of genres. Of the games we do get, very few of them contain any originality in either gameplay or art direction/style (essentially we are getting the same titles year after year, but with better gfx and other gimmicky addons) There are exceptions - and some truly good pc games - just not as many as consoles provide (imo )

What makes pc gaming so special is the communities (such as this forum, clans, mirc, tournaments, websites etc), online gaming, and the skilled modders out there. This, imo, is as much an attraction as the actual games - and the one area consoles can't hope to compete.

//edit

console gaming is also far, far more sociable Using comms, or even a LAN part, can't compare to sitting round a tv with your mates.

 

[Big Fat Duck]

yes, only conservative assholes play consoles

 

[Asus]

What makes pc gaming so special is the communities (such as this forum, clans, mirc, tournaments, websites etc), online gaming, and the skilled modders out there. This, imo, is as much an attraction as the actual games - and the one area consoles can't hope to compete.

This is why I am waiting to buy GTA:SA for PC.
Well, I also don't have a PS2 but still. :E

 

[RhapSidious]

Some of the best FPS games I've played (Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Timesplitters, Metroid Prime to name a few) have been on consoles...

True... but you can't deny that as far as FPS go, PC (mouse & keyboard) control is superior to any console controller. Beside, the PC versions of games are usually far superior in image (and often even in sound) quality.

I do like a controler for 3rd person games like POP or Splinter Cell, although Max Payne did a good job with PC controls.

Bottom line, a good game is a good game regardless of the platform. I guess that's why I have all 3 consoles and a gaming rig.

 

[Warbie]

True... but you can't deny that as far as FPS go, PC (mouse & keyboard) control is superior to any console controller.

I think it depends on the game in question. All of those titles are far better suited to being controlled with a pad (imagine playing Golden Eye with a m&k - it would be horrible)

So, in these cases, using a m&k definately isn't superior.

 

[Smack500]

The difference is a wide variety of innovative and creative titles.

As much as I love pc gaming, it's obvious there is little diversity in it's games these days. Of course, what you consider to be a good game is highly subjective. What isn't subjective is the vast choice consoles provide (from party games to sports sims, dance mats to eye toy)

In comparison the pc offers very few titles for a limited no. of genres. Of the games we do get, very few of them contain any originality in either gameplay or art direction/style (essentially we are getting the same titles year after year, but with better gfx and other gimmicky addons) There are exceptions - and some truly good pc games - just not as many as consoles provide (imo )

What makes pc gaming so special is the communities (such as this forum, clans, mirc, tournaments, websites etc), online gaming, and the skilled modders out there. This, imo, is as much an attraction as the actual games - and the one area consoles can't hope to compete.

//edit

console gaming is also far, far more sociable Using comms, or even a LAN part, can't compare to sitting round a tv with your mates.

You obviously have never been to a good lan party. There is nothing like setting up a network of 16 people, its so awesome. Split screen sucks, I dont see how anyone could prefer it. Also say what you want, but if you truely like split screen your in the minority here. I have seen this issue surveyed in a gamer mag before, even most console gamers would rather have there own screen.

Your only reason for likeing the console is the games, my question to you and to everyone debating this out is what if they both had the same exact games. Were comparing the systems, which system is the best. This is why I say you cannot name 1 thing that the console can do that the pc cannot, besides some diffrent games and being cheaper.

 

[Warbie]

I've been to good LAN parties - and it is excellent fun. But staring at your own monitor, while wearing headphones, is still a more solitary experience then sitting on a sofa with your mates - pulling out their leads and trading insults

(not taking anything away from LAN parties, but they are less socialable - imo.)

your only reason for likeing the console is the games, my question to you and to everyone debating this out is what if they both had the same exact games. Were comparing the systems, which system is the best. This is why I say you cannot name 1 thing that the console can do that the pc cannot, besides some diffrent games and being cheaper.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here. Whether a pc can 'do' anything a console can doesn't matter. The point is they don't.

 

[Smack500]

how many mods are made for console games? How easy is it to make mods for console games? how many diffrent selections of controls do you get for consoles? This is what Im getting at. EX people argue over which has the best controls when in fact I have a ps2 controller connected to my pc that works perfect. I can send you a link for an adapter to use any console controller on the pc.

How much did you pay to play multiplayer games on your pc last year? How many maps do you get to choose from on online mp console games? How many consumers are making maps for mp online console games?

 

[Mountain Man]

what is this :""As a negative point the missing multiple egg merchant is stated." about? I know it's from a review why is that supposed to be funny?

It's a non sequitur.

 

[Warbie]

how many mods are made for console games? How easy is it to make mods for console games? how many diffrent selections of controls do you get for consoles? This is what Im getting at. EX people argue over which has the best controls when in fact I have a ps2 controller connected to my pc that works perfect. I can send you a link for an adapter to use any console controller on the pc.

How much did you pay to play multiplayer games on your pc last year?

All valid points

I don't think there are any mods for console games (not that I actually play many on the pc)

As for controls - I like the way many of the best console games are designed for a specific controller (an example in a previous post was of Mario 64 and the N64 pad. PES and duel shock is another. These games need to be played with the controller they were designed to be played with)

I've various adapters for using pads on the pc. But, mainly for the reason stated above, they very rarely get used. Using a pad with a pc game (that wasn't designed with a pad in mind) is usually pretty poor (infact, even the pc games that have the option to use a pad are pretty damn poor compared to most half decent console games) Great for emulators, though

imo, a massive selction of controls/input devices for a game is a bad thing.

Very true about not having to pay for multiplayer gaming.

(i'm not arguing that consoles are better than pcs here - both obviously have their plus and minus points)

 

[Smack500]

I agree I like both, and play both.

You also put all 3 consoles against the pc, and say consoles have a better game selection. If your going to do that then the cheaper thing goes out the window. Your going to have to buy 3 consoles, and pay for mp service for all 3 of them.

This is what agrivates me about consoles, I dont have the money to get all 3, and a pc. I get one and play what I can. I love certain series, and get into them only to see another console buy the rights to the game. EX. Gamecube bought the rights to resident evil.

You find a way to be able to play all console games on 1 console, and Ill join the console fanboy club.

Yes the consoles do seem to have more choice then the pc lately, but thats only if you compare all 3 to the pc. If you get ps2, and you like halo your in the crapper. If you buy the xbox next, then you see you like metroid prime your in the crapper. So be able to play all these games, and play them online. Lets see how much were the consoles when they came out? 300x3 $900 for the consoles, then what is it 10$ a month for mp service. So thats $900 + $30/ monthly (btw thats $360 a year).

 

[PedroTheLion]

The difference is a wide variety of innovative and creative titles...As much as I love pc gaming, it's obvious there is little diversity in it's games these days.

Perhaps, but I think the ol' saying of quality vs. quantity applies here. The biggest reason I prefer PCs over consoles (aside from the vast technological superiority), is that console games are generally directed towards kids. While PC games are generally geared at a more mature audience. Look at Fallout 1/2, Quake 1/2/3/4, Half-Life 1/2, Civilization 1/2/3, Rise of Nations, Everquest, Rome: TW, Rainbow Six 1/2/3, none of them are directed towards kids. And yet they all pretty much raised the bar in their genre. And I did play Quake 2 on my N64, and it sucked. It took about 45 minuted to beat the game, and they filled all the levels with bright greens, pinks, and reds. Color was not something Quake was known for.

Now obviously, if you want to play a game like Crash Bandikoot or whatever, that's fine. But I don't. So until the market changes drastically, I'll be sticking with my ancient PC for gaming.

 

[Warbie]

Perhaps, but I think the ol' saying of quality vs. quantity applies here. The biggest reason I prefer PCs over consoles (aside from the vast technological superiority), is that console games are generally directed towards kids. While PC games are generally geared at a more mature audience. Look at Fallout 1/2, Quake 1/2/3/4, Half-Life 1/2, Civilization 1/2/3, Rise of Nations, Everquest, Rome: TW, Rainbow Six 1/2/3, none of them are directed towards kids. And yet they all pretty much raised the bar in their genre. And I did play Quake 2 on my N64, and it sucked. It took about 45 minuted to beat the game, and they filled all the levels with bright greens, pinks, and reds. Color was not something Quake was known for.

Now obviously, if you want to play a game like Crash Bandikoot or whatever, that's fine. But I don't. So until the market changes drastically, I'll be sticking with my ancient PC for gaming.

Don't bring Crash Bandicoot into this (that game is a travesty ) And, to be fair, Quake 2 on the N64 was pretty crappy. Now Golden Eye, that's every bit as 'mature' as Quake, or Rainbow 6.

Much of this comes down to what we perceive as being 'for kids' or 'grown up'. I personally see titles such as Zelda as mature as games like Rome (which, incidentally, my brother was head artist for)

imo it's not about content - but rather how engaging the experience is, how well it's designed .... how involving the gameplay. In this respect Mario 64 is as good as any pc game i've played (but can understand how many can take one look at it's cartoony gfx and dismiss it as 'for kids')

Take GTA - great game ..... but about as mature as drunk 12 year old.

(I've had a similar debate with my father concerning animation/anime - which he considers to be for children, regardless of the content, or how well it is made)

At the end of the day, as long as we get what we want from a game it's all good

 

[Smack500]

Hey you skipped me, your suppose to reply to me first warbie. LOL jk

I agree there are plenty of adult targeted games, on consoles. Though to get a good collection of good games, you need all 3 consoles. Which applies to my post above.

 

[PedroTheLion]

At the end of the day, as long as we get what we want from a game it's all good

This is true.

 

[Warbie]

You also put all 3 consoles against the pc, and say consoles have a better game selection.

Very true. On the flipside, you'll find many people compare various consoles against the entire history of pc gaming

Yes the consoles do seem to have more choice then the pc lately, but thats only if you compare all 3 to the pc. If you get ps2, and you like halo your in the crapper. If you buy the xbox next, then you see you like metroid prime your in the crapper. So be able to play all these games, and play them online. Lets see how much were the consoles when they came out? 300x3 $900 for the consoles, then what is it 10$ a month for mp service. So thats $900 + $30/ monthly (btw thats $360 a year).

I hear that :/ - expensive hobby this. It often works out quite cheap if you by a console a year or so after its release - and, if you can find a good dealer, second hand. It's the games that cost you :/

As for multiplayer, the only service I bother with is Live at the moment (which is about 75 dollars for a whole year ... in the UK anyway)

 

[merc]

i dont consider them consoles, i consider mine as an entertainment center and it has everything i need from music to movies to games to video editing

-merc

 

[fantasiser]

I think PC is for the hardcore gamers, i mean, if you have heaps of consoles AND a PC, im not saying you cant be a hardcore gamer.... but if someone told me they only had consoles and dont like PC's, i couldnt really help but to feel superior

 

[one day....]

I bought a PS2 from gamestation for £99 with 2 pads and a game.
How is that £300?

Also games are VERY cheap if you know how to *cough* use backups *

Consoles are much cheaper in the long run than pcs,i have spent way over a grand on my pc,and probably about £150 on my ps2.
A pc is superior for online gaming but you dont need online gameing when you have friends.

Split creen is no longer an issue either,you can connect 2 consoles up and have 1 screen each.On the other hand some games enable 2 players to share the screen (contra etc)

Plus the light gun games on the ps2 are fantastic for 2 players,no split screen there either.

You cant use lightguns on pcs i dont think(maybe im wrong) But even if you can it would be crappy because of the monitor.

I have not played a decent game on the pc for a while now,and im hoping HL2 will be decent,because i feel the standard of pc games(as in gameplay not ****ing eye candy)is piss poor at the moment.

So for pc lovers who seem to think they are somehow above console users.

**** YOU. :frown:

You are obviously the sort of people that say that we are the only form of life in the entire universe etc.ie ignorant ass holes.

 

[Homercidal]

So for pc lovers who seem to think they are somehow above console users.

**** YOU. :frown:

You are obviously the sort of people that say that we are the only form of life in the entire universe etc.ie ignorant ass holes.

Quick! Give him the Sed-a-Give!

Chill out. I think you may be the only one here calling people names and we're all debating the pros and cons of PCs and Consoles, not whether one person is better than the other. Hell, I own NES, SNES, N64 (oops broke), PS, PS2, Gameboy Advance, 300Celeron, 2.4Ghz AMD.

I'm only stating that of all of those, the most fun I've had was on the PCs, and I've given reasons. I've even claimed that Consoles give more per pound/dollar than PC. There's nothing wrong with a friendly little discussion with your buddies.

 

[ShinRa]

*Looks at his ps2*

:dozey:

*Looks at his PC*

:naughty:

While my favorite games (FF7, FF8, Megaman Legends) are on the psx/ps2, pc's are superior in every aspect. All my favorite n64 games (goldeneye, perfect dark, mario 64, etc) i play on my pc with a nice usb connected n64 controller. Pc's are the universal gaming console. And if i ever feel like playing ff7, ff8, or any other psx/ps2 game that i love dearly, ill just start up my ps emulator, and play with my usb connected ps controller. PC's pwn, thats that.

 

[Kotik]

So for pc lovers who seem to think they are somehow above console users.

**** YOU. :frown:

Stop, think about it!

Games for consoles are made on the PC!

So, the conclusion is:

PC > console

Without "our" PC your console games wouldn't even exist! :smoking:

 

[eiric]

Well, the problem with PC:s aren't that they are copies of eachother, like with consoles (all PS2 look/act and manage the same). Altough the PC is alot more expencive than the consoles the games are cheaper on PC. And still, if you know what you're doing the PC is the best platform for games.

 

[Homercidal]

I used to think that it was fun to pop a sports game into the console and have a go at it for bit. Then my brother-in-law, 14yrs old, played some footbal with me. Little bugger kicked my ass up and down the field.

Since that day I haven't been able to even think about a sports game without a shudder. BUt it was the controller, yeah that's it! I'm not used to an XBox controller, that's the ticket! LOL!

Oh, case in point. There is a new game coming out for all platforms called Flatout! It's a racing demo derby game with destructable cars ans ragdolls and stuff, check it out. Anyway, when talking with friends about which version to get, we all decided the PC was a better platform. We could play online, get together for LAn games, maybe even mod some stuff it the devs were real nice (custom cars!!).

If i didn't expect new cars and tracks to be available for download, then maybe it wouldn't matter too much.

 

[Warbie]

^ that's just one example of where a pc game may be better than a console game (i'm hoping you'll be using a steering wheel or a pad to control it )

What about the exclusives? - Zelda, Metroid, ICO etc. To have not played either of these games is as much a video gaming crime as not having played Half-Life.

Res 4 looks amazing - without a GC you'll never experience it. MGS 3, the new Zelda and ICO 2! (to name just a few)

These are examples of the best video gaming has to offer ..... and none of them will appear on the pc.

The only pc game that gets me as excited as titles like these is HL2.

Are we so excited about HL2 becasue HL was so good? or because there have been sod all good pc games for years? some of both me thinks.

 

[Smack500]

I bought a PS2 from gamestation for £99 with 2 pads and a game.
How is that £300?

Also games are VERY cheap if you know how to *cough* use backups *

Consoles are much cheaper in the long run than pcs,i have spent way over a grand on my pc,and probably about £150 on my ps2.
A pc is superior for online gaming but you dont need online gameing when you have friends.

Split creen is no longer an issue either,you can connect 2 consoles up and have 1 screen each.On the other hand some games enable 2 players to share the screen (contra etc)

Plus the light gun games on the ps2 are fantastic for 2 players,no split screen there either.

You cant use lightguns on pcs i dont think(maybe im wrong) But even if you can it would be crappy because of the monitor.

I have not played a decent game on the pc for a while now,and im hoping HL2 will be decent,because i feel the standard of pc games(as in gameplay not ****ing eye candy)is piss poor at the moment.

So for pc lovers who seem to think they are somehow above console users.

**** YOU. :frown:

You are obviously the sort of people that say that we are the only form of life in the entire universe etc.ie ignorant ass holes.

why is it so hard for console fanboys to understand what the pc is cabaple of. I can use my tv is a monitor, are you that ignorant not to know this is possible. ALso any controller type device that can be used on a console can be used on pcs, thanks to adapters.


If all games were released to all consoles, and the pc Which would be more popular then. Pc always ends up with the better graphics, even as short as a couple of months after a console is out. Pc has mods, and just so much downloadable content.

Seriously If all games were released to all consoles, and the pc which system would you have????

 

[Tropico]

i miss the hl2 vs d3 threads but this is good enough!

I prefer pc because

1-demos
2-soon all games will be like HL2 (i wont need to buy them from a shop)
3-porn

 

[NateDogX]

If PCs were truly the real gaming console then they would sell better then concoles. Gaming PC's sell nowhere near any of the gaming consoles therefore they are not the real gaming console, that's all that needs to be said.

 

[Ownzed]

PC's are the best gaming systems ever and always will be. :bounce:

 

[Smack500]

If PCs were truly the real gaming console then they would sell better then concoles. Gaming PC's sell nowhere near any of the gaming consoles therefore they are not the real gaming console, that's all that needs to be said.

sims games have been outselling all other games for years now, so [SARCASM]I guess its the best game ever thats all that needs to be said [/SARCASM]

 

[Ghost Freeman]

Quality games differ from person to person. I liked Doom 3 and I know not many people here do. I liked Halo and I knew several PC owners who have said that Halo is boring and repetive. People have different tastes, thats why there is no such thing as there being an ultimate gaming system, PC included.

 

[Homercidal]

If PCs were truly the real gaming console then they would sell better then concoles. Gaming PC's sell nowhere near any of the gaming consoles therefore they are not the real gaming console, that's all that needs to be said.

I shoudln't have to bring this up, but I'm compelled.

First, we've already established that a PC is not a console. It is a different gaming platform, much like an Arcade Machine is not a console either.

Second, Consoles sell better than PCs because they are cheaper, and easier to operate. A huge portion of console sales goes to kids who can talk their mom and dad into buying them one for Christmas of birthday. "Santa, I want an Xbox for Christmas." is easier for Santa to do than "Santa, I want a $1500 gaming rig for Christmas".

Plus, consoles are set up in all major stores and kids can go play with them and get all excited, but PC are almost never set up with games running on them for kids to try out.

Back to our conculsion, that for just gaming, consoles give a better bang for buck. However, they cannot do what a PC can do.

 

[Crusmang]

OMG, lol, I don't mean to start a flame war but I have to respond...

Bet you didn't know that Ultima did not start the RPG Genre. That grew from early text-based games and games like Wizardry for PC and other games which were popular with people who owned "trash 80's" and COCO computers. Oh, and RTS games appeared on PCs first. Adventure games like Space Quest, Leisure Suit larry, etc. began with early PCs. Didn't a game called "Myst" first appear on PC? Don't remember seeing that in the arcade... And let's not put down the FPS genre, which really started with Wolfenstein on the PC. It's only one game, but it's got a large following. Speaking of followings, seems to me that Sim games have become very popular. Those one started on PCs too.

If we're talking about where RPG's really started, then you look back to a little game called Akalabeth. The first of it's kind, it later gave rise to a wonderous title called...drum roll please... Ultima! It was written on a little system called PLATO, hardly any more computer-like than an Atari itself... So if we want to talk about RPG's when there was actually a distinguishable difference between consoles/PCs other than the fact that PCs came with a keyboard (and disk drives were OPTIONAL) you have too look at what set the tone for the past two decades. Those games are Ultima 3 and Dragon Warior.

RTS on PCs first? Actually, it was a tie. Because unless you want to consider Herzog Zewi on Genesis (which wasn't RTS, but helped to spawn them) or The Ancient Art of War (which wasn't RTS either), then the winner is Dune 2. Simultaneous release on Sega and Amiga/IBM.

Space Quest was an adventure game, so that goes to consoles for Pitfall. LS Larry ...we won't even go into that genre, lol.

Sim games. Just b/c someone decided to sim LIFE (lol) doesn't mean that others sims weren't first. Like military simulators. Very arcadeeeeeeee like....mmmmm? :cheese:

Myst is just a puzzle game with a very immersive and beautiful skin. Try tetris.

Consoles > PC K thx bye =)

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

The upgraded PC is in it's own league. Nothing can provide better graphics at better framerates than an up-to-date computer.

PC owns consoles!

 

[Powerload]

wow, 11 pages so far. this has to be the longest, pointless thread yet.

I've got a question:

Which is the ultimate fruit, bananas or mangos? discuss.

 

[Warbie]

I shoudln't have to bring this up, but I'm compelled.

First, we've already established that a PC is not a console. It is a different gaming platform, much like an Arcade Machine is not a console either.

Second, Consoles sell better than PCs because they are cheaper, and easier to operate. A huge portion of console sales goes to kids who can talk their mom and dad into buying them one for Christmas of birthday. "Santa, I want an Xbox for Christmas." is easier for Santa to do than "Santa, I want a $1500 gaming rig for Christmas".

Plus, consoles are set up in all major stores and kids can go play with them and get all excited, but PC are almost never set up with games running on them for kids to try out.

Back to our conculsion, that for just gaming, consoles give a better bang for buck. However, they cannot do what a PC can do.

You're suggesting that ppl want a pc for gaming, but can't afford one and have to settle for a console - which is rubbish.

Consoles don't sell more than pcs because they are cheaper - they sell simply becasue ppl want them. Most kids don't want a "$1500 gaming rig for Christmas" They want to play Pokemon with their friends at school, or Halo co-op, or MGS etc etc

For gaming, consoles and pc's each offer a very different (and, imo, equally attractive) experience. PC's get the hardware and uber gfx, but lack the variety and creativity of titles. Consoles can't match the pc in online gaming, but make up for it by offering a more sociable experience. PC's get mods, communities etc and consoles offer hastle free convinience. (The comparisons go on and on). The greatest games that have been made over the years aren't unique to one platform - but have appeared on console and pc alike.

However, they cannot do what a PC can do.

My GC is for first party Nintendo games - all designed to be played on a specific joypad (far more impotant that many realise). My PS2 is for light gun games and dance mats, Eye Toy, Ico and MGS. My XBox is for Halo co-op, Fable, Outrun2, for playing SF2 online. Just a few examples.

The PC can do none of these.

(Obviously there's many areas that the pc excels in over consoles, but everyone here knows these - no point stating the obvious)

 

[Warbie]

The upgraded PC is in it's own league. Nothing can provide better graphics at better framerates than an up-to-date computer.

PC owns consoles!

We all know that gfx and framerate make a good game

 

[Wild_Ragnar]

pc. better for multiplayer.