Episode One price confirmed

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He's right about this too.
 
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I don't want to pay THAT much :(
 
my first run through of half life 2 took me 9 hours but I did play it constantly on day of release played it over and over and then all the mods so to me the people who are basing price on the ratio of how long you played the half life 2 single play is flawed.

Valve knew there would be ALOT of mods coming out for half life 2 with the popularity of mods of half life so to me you buy half-life 2 valve give you hl2dm e.t.c and then think of the amount of other games you get in the basis of "free" mods.

To me $20 ( £12 for me :D) seems a fair price and I will definatly be buying it, and to me all the people who are saying its to expensive / lower the price for us with HL2DM e.t.c .. well I dont think it matters to Valve as I'am sure they will make plenty of money off it.

just my 2 pence:p
 
$20 is not unreasonable. Seeing that a DVD costs somewhere around $23-$27 (at least around where I live) it's not too bad. After all, a DVD movie only has about 4 hours of content at most. A CD costs around $17 and that's, on average, around 45 minutes.

$20 is not that bad of a price. After all, it's HL2.
 
$25 for around 5 hours of gameplay? That does not sound like a very good deal. BFME is $20 here, so is NFSU:2 and many other games. Brand new PC games are $50 max. I've gotten many more hours of gameplay from other games then a simple expansion pack (and for the same price).

I will still end up buying this, just because of my love for HL2 and to see what episodic content is all about. However I do not consider this a good deal.
 
DrDevin said:
$25 for around 5 hours of gameplay? That does not sound like a very good deal. BFME is $20 here, so is NFSU:2 and many other games. Brand new PC games are $50 max. I've gotten many more hours of gameplay from other games then a simple expansion pack (and for the same price).

I will still end up buying this, just because of my love for HL2 and to see what episodic content is all about. However I do not consider this a good deal.
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Well, I'm just guessing that BFME means Battle For Middle Earth but don't you think comparing a mediocre game that was released over a year ago to a brand new release is a little unfair?
 
h00x said:
Valve knew there would be ALOT of mods coming out for half life 2 with the popularity of mods of half life so to me you buy half-life 2 valve give you hl2dm e.t.c and then think of the amount of other games you get in the basis of "free" mods.
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Pretty much EVERY FPS has mods of some form. Them being there is no excuse for a developer to cut corners on the final product nor does it justify outlandish prices (I'm not accusing Valve of either with HL2). They are a 3rd party thing though so a developer shouldnt release half a game and then say "heres 9 hours of the 20 that you were promised and you can wait 6 months for some mods by some fans to complete the experience for you and give you your moneys worth".

I think the price sounds right for an expansion pack. What doesnt sound right is the length of the game which at 4 - 6 hours (seriously we will probably be closer to 4 hours if not less knowing how developers, including Valve, exagerate game play). The game should be 7 - 10 hours long, especially since the engine is already there to go. Heck they have begun work on episode 2 so it's not like they are short for content, they deliberatly want it to be that length and it just doesnt sound long enough at all. I will pay $19.99 US for a game easily, however it just seems overly short.

By the way have they indicated the possibility of a bundle price where you automatically get new episodes and pay maybe $60 from the outset so that you get some form of discount. I think that would soften the blow for some if they could buy them in bulk but not have to wait until they are all out to do so otherwise the only people that could actually order that way would be the half hearted fans or new players.
 
alphadec said:
Is I the only one who thinks 12 USD is a bit stiff for 6-8 hours gameplay. ?

When I buy a game a wanna have it.
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Well, you'll be depressed to find out that its actually $20 in US currency.

I would have liked it cheaper, like $15, but then again... what would I do with 5 bucks? Probably buy a couple of sodas. So its no big deal for me.
 
$20 sounds okay. But we don't know how many episodes there will be yet. Is it not inconceivable that there could be as many as 5? that's $100 for us to find out what the hell is going on in the HL story! And as I said in other threads, I'm still not convinced by the idea of episodic delivery. On paper it sounds great - A steady stream of SP HL2 content for God knows how long. But you can have to much of a good thing & I fear many people will get bored with things before the saga reaches a conclusion (in whatever shape or form Valve chooses to reach that).
 
Krynn72 said:
Well, you'll be depressed to find out that its actually $20 in US currency.

I would have liked it cheaper, like $15, but then again... what would I do with 5 bucks? Probably buy a couple of sodas. So its no big deal for me.
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Well the price ok if I did get the discs, but not when I must do it often as this is a episodic content.

I WANT TO OWN THE DISC
 
Okay, $20 for 2 hours gameplay (I reckon)... $20's such a king's ransom, as if a blackmail... I hope the complexion's worth $20 whereas there must have been added a lot of new tech and puzzle, etc. Well... I think it should be worth it.
As well as, I wish I can buy it cheaper in Hong Kong.
By the way, can I buy the Aftermath only without buying the whole pack of HL?
 
It's pretty reasonable, considering the avrage length of games that cost 60,-. but still i wont be buying it cause the idea of episodic content doesn't appeal to me, I'm going to wait untill they pakage like three episodes in one and sell it for 50,-.
Plus there are so many other great games that cost less, yes they may be older, but that only really means they have less pretty graphics. I can get a lot of ps2 games now for 20 bucks. And a lot of great PC games are 20,- or less now.
 
Personally, I'm okay with it costing one third of a normal game. DoD:S is a tenner and I think that's fair. Also, that's a lot less than a lot less than 30 (as in, it's so much easier to play 10 than 30 that it's not JUST a 20 pound difference - it's just easier). For that money I could go to the cinema and buy some ridiculously overpriced popcorn, but I wouldn't be able to watch the film again, nor would I be able to eat the popcorn more than once. :(
 
I seriously cant believe how cheap some people are... :/
 
alphadec said:
Is I the only one who thinks 12 USD is a bit stiff for 6-8 hours gameplay?
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No seeing as a ticket in a cinema to a 1 hour 20 minute film is about that price.
 
"Half Life 2 will be released Sept 03" - Even without the leak it was never gonna happen
"Half Life 2 will contain 20 hour game play" - Nope
"Episode 1 will have 4-6 hours gameplay" - I'll trust Valve's perception of time when hell freezes over
 
But if they were going to exaggerate, don't you think they'd tell us it was higher?

It's like bragging to people that you have a 5 inch penis. If you're going to lie, why not say 12?
 
Raziel-Jcd said:
I seriously cant believe how cheap some people are... :/
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I'm amazed aswell, some real cheap-skates out in this world. Complain about it being $20 when they spend $50-60 on other games...right...:rolleyes:
 
People , it is Valve we are talking about and we all know the 4-6 hours will be by far better than the gameplay time of games priced 50 $ like Black.

I have to agree with the latter , you are cheap-skates. Whatever time you'll complete Episode , in the end you will experience some of the best gameplay you're gonna see this year.
 
I never liked arguing or bashing or even an opinionated response because I am uptight and such so I will let these Shacknews comments speak for themselves.

The whole "such price should equal such amount of play time" argument just doesn't make sense whatsoever; even for a single player game. Here are a couple good reasons :
- First is because that's not how game are priced. I can take any 3 boxes out of my shelves with the same price (give or take a couple bucks), and have gotten 5 hours of game time from one, 10 out of another and above 50 out of the last.
- Also all people play a game differently, no two persons will ever get the same amount of play time out of a game, so getting any kind of objective measurement is quite futile (even for FPS games).
- Price isn't really indexed on replay value. If I were to pay a game based on the play time I would get out of it, there are some games I would have paid 3 bucks and others a couple grand or even more. (And that's only for single player games..)
- Finally, the price of software (much like any hi-tech good) is indexed on 4 things: the time & work initially required to design the good, the subsequent work required to develop every new copy, the physical material required for every new copy, and the margin the reseller can hope to add and still get away with. Because of the very nature of games and softwares the second two points are almost irrelevant, so the bottom line (especially in the case of an add-on) is that the editor puts out the price he wants. Only restraint is customers' habits & expectations in case of a new product; which is what happen here.
The only reason people argue about price vs playtime ratio is because of some weird buying habit they got from their previous 10 years or so of buying games. But episodic content is something new; new stuff = new rules, and new prices.
Bottom line is, as I said, there are no real rules for the price of a game. The published/developper only set a price they can think they can get away with and make money. Which is pretty much the case of any hi-tech good anyway. How do you think consoles are priced at launch?
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http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11698687

They could double the length of the game by making your charachter move 1/2 as fast. Which means that the game would be twice as good!
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http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11698714

Note that I may or may not agree with or am the author of these comments so any response back will have to be directed towards them.
 
Actually I aint paying 20 bucks for a part-expansion pack.
I'd maybe pay 20 bucks for a FULL expansionpack, but hench "episode 1" I guess there are going to be a few more.

So I guess I won't spend my money on just a set of new maps.
I'd rather buy a new game, or save the money for something worth buying.
 
What? Episode 1 is a full expansion pack. Episode 1 is merely its name, and 'Episode 2 and 3' and however many more will also be full expansion packs, it isn't just a set of maps.

I think you need to play the game before you decide its something worth buying.

Cheapskates.
 
All the Expansion pack , particulary for FPS games , are between the 6 hours of gameplay and again , even full priced games.

You are paying for an expansion pack , the diff. is that there are going to be several of them.

Common , if you're gonna argue about episodic gaming at least give valid points.

The HL community is probably one of the bitchiest out there. Every bit of news from Valve is greeted with nitpicking and bitching even on the smallest things. Quit complaining.
 
Price is good, episodic games idea too. Btw what is price of Episode 1 strategy book, please?
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
I'm amazed aswell, some real cheap-skates out in this world. Complain about it being $20 when they spend $50-60 on other games...right...:rolleyes:
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By most comments it's not the price that people are really concerned with but how much game time you are getting for that price. 4 hours isnt even enough to last 2 sittings. Hell Blue shift was probably longer.

I'd never imagine it being priced less, $20 for an expansion pack is right. 4 hours of gameplay isnt right however.
 
I would've preferred $15. $20 just feels steep. Obviously length of game is not a good indicator bla bla welcome to 2003 when the same was said for HL2. My point is that 20 feels exponentially more expensive than 15. Whether that will affect sales I don't know, as HL2 is popular enough for it to sell regardless.
 
Am I the only one that thinks that $20 is quite a lot for 4 hours gaming? I mean that's one (1) afternoon.
 
Look , the gameplay time differs from one player to the other , you can't pin point a number of hours for everyone and i'm sure that there are some people who will beat it in 2 hours with not really experience the game.

Concentrating in the ammount of playtime is missing completely the point in episodic content. It's about the quality of the gameplay , and with episodic they have to make every second of it count. Yes , it's shorter ( although it's not far from "regular" games , if any) experience but it will be compelling and just in very high standards. At least that's how Valve gonna do it , can't vouch for Ritual or others.
 
Yellonet said:
Am I the only one that thinks that $20 is quite a lot for 4 hours gaming? I mean that's one (1) afternoon.
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$20 is maybe quite a lot for 4 hours playing but not for playing Half-Life...
And this gameplay duration is very subjective information...
 
20 bucks for some content I already got isn't worth buying, no matter if Epic, Valve or Gearbox made it (well Gearbox is an exeption, OP4 <3 ).

I didn't even like the HL2 story.
 
st0lve said:
20 bucks for some content I already got isn't worth buying, no matter if Epic, Valve or Gearbox made it (well Gearbox is an exeption, OP4 <3 ).

I didn't even like the HL2 story.
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Then don't buy it.....
 
is there going to be some lame $9 tax like last time? cuz that really pissed me off
 
In a post about Aftermath a seemingly long while back, it was mentioned there might be new content available for HL2DM. Does this mean there is a possibility of a fairly major update to happen alongside the release of Episode 1?
 
I trust no Valve. The so-called "4-hours gameplay" may mean that the Valve expect us to play aftermath time and time again. After we have played for 4 times, we can have a summation gameplay time of 4 hours....
Will it be possible once we brought Episode 1, we can get Episode 2 and 3 by free?
 
Raziel-Jcd said:
Wow people are cheap. HL2:DM came FREE with HL2. You payed 50$ for HL2 not HL2 and HL2:DM all that is extra.

Valve should price HL2:EP1 20$ even without the Extra stuff.



LOL? I did i beat HL2 1st time in about 20 Hours Gameplay took 3 days. Oh and no im not bad at games iv been playing FPS games for 4 years. People jet through games, dont find all the secrets, dont find all the story clues. No i didnt load the game every 2 secs must have loaded a total of 6-8 times from having low health.
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Flamers of length read ^

Raziel-Jcd said:
I seriously cant believe how cheap some people are... :/
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Flamers of price read ^

Some people just wont understand how low 20$ is for what they are getting with HL2:EP1 just like some people complain about HL2 being to short or FEAR being to short.
 
Raziel-Jcd said:
Flamers of length read ^
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Seriously that whole "take your time to see everything" arguement is so baseless. The game was so linear that if you ran it with your eyes closed you will still see everything. It dose not take an extra 10 hours to do every little side thing in the game as there pretty much was no side rooms or anything to explore. I don't mind really, it was a great linear fps and I'll play farcry for a more non linear world, but please dont kid about saying that the game will take twice as long because of an abundance of secrets when there were none. I can almost guarantee you that those among us that beat this game in 12 hours or less saw just as much as those that played it in 20. I would account the extra time to people tackling gun fights differently and thus where some people may have a 20sec battle some people may make that fight 5 min due to varying tactics. Exploration....wasn't really any to be had in HL2 sorry.

As for money again I dont think $20 for a game/expansion pack is unfair, just it should be a reasonable length, not 4 hours which is enough to be won in a single sitting. Heck alot of people will spend alot more time downloading this than they will actually playing it.
 
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