Explosion in Oslo

Probably because rich people usually pay for people to do this stuff for them?

Besides, rich or not, you can still be a messed up individual.
 
unozero said:
honestly though.It doesn't happen alot that any rich person commits murder very rarely I think, of course when it does happen you get crazy media coverage like with OJ Simpson.
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There's plenty of news stories with people of wealth committing murder. I'd bet that, proportionally, its about the same rate.
 
well one has to think what leads to Murder in the first place....passion which could apply to any person no matter what their financial status.
I was gonna say poverty or financial issues could lead to Murder too sometimes but rich people tend be to be greedy so I think your actually right Krynn.
But Media coverage wise it's usualy some average joe that commits Murder and not a CEO of big Copmany or some A list actor.At least that's the impression I get
 
Thats because theres a lot more poor and middle class people than rich people.
 
What I have figured is this fello did what he did to draw attention to is ideas. I'm not sure if this linky has been posted but it is a massive 1500 page document which he posted on the internet just before the bomb/killing spree. Ive not read to much of it yet but the gist of it is Muslims taking over Europe and getting people to start a resolution.

http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

He claimed he spent over 300k euros on research and wrote this document over the past 9 years. After reading the first few pages he comes accros as a pretty smart guy. Its well written and there is a lot of it.

So I'm thinking is he didnt target these people because of who they were but it was his way off getting mass attention to this document and getting as many people to read it as possible. Didnt he say something along the lines of needing to kill enough people to get a lot of attention??

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Ah i see it was already posted
 
Well, he was successful then. People are now reading his little manifesto.

I'd love to sit here and say that in order to not validate his actions we should all make a point of just not even looking at his essays (whether it's to see what a sick f*ck he is or not) but I know that it's just not going to happen.

Sadly, there will likely even be people who read his work now and actually agree with it.
 
ríomhaire said:
Oh wow I just realised the only thing I'm doing in this thread is being a bitch. Sorry this is actually a huge tragedy. Hey Raz I wasn't trying to call you racist. I can totally understand how you'd do a double-take when you see that photo. He looks like a stock photo. A slightly stoned one, but still one of those ridiculously clean stock photos that are supposed to be idyllic. Unozero on the other hand you're a complete ass and your posts in this thread has been terrible. Please stop talking.
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I never even thought for a minute you were calling me a racist. It's hard for me to think that when I wasn't doing anything remotely racist, and was just asking for clarification if that was the dude.
 
Stylo said:
Sadly, there will likely even be people who read his work now and actually agree with it.
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No ****ing way your average closet-racist will ever agree with a man who executed 85+ innocent children. No ****ing way.

I have been sickened by these news in the past few days. The killing spree on the island went on for one and half hour and he could carefully search for more victims and kill them. To be trapped there hiding during that time must be definition of hell. What's even more scary is that he actually seem to be rather mentally stable, as far as mass murderers go. He has apparently planned this for six years.

And unozero, reading your posts in this thread makes my blood boil. Your extreme xenophobia and ramblings about the preservation of "Western culture" from immigrants are symptoms, albeit less dangerous so, of the same disease that led to this terrorist attack. You're part of the problem, just as much as the radical Muslims are in relation to Islamic terrorism.
 
Oh no, not your average closet racist, no. But there's definitely individuals out there who would have a field day with this 'manifesto'.

There are stupid people in my country who walk around saying we Brits should "Kill the Muslim scum" so I bet there will be people susceptible to being taken in by this kind of thing.

Oh and a lot of killers are cold, calculating and clever. Anybody remember the Cho guy who shot up Virginia Tec? He planned that out for a while. Managed to attain all the necessary weapons and gear, too.
 
The very argument about him being given a platform to air his views is being discussed as we speak (er post) among Norwegians on social network sites. There's a big campaign among them to totally ignore what he has to say. This is mostly due to his appearance in court tomorrow.

He will have the right to ask for an 'open hearing' giving him the ability to put forward his views etc.

Btw, the coroner or pathologist who was examining the dead bodies said Breivik used 'dum-dum' rounds on his victims for maximum internal damage.

Truly awful.
 
I think we need a good old fashioned Sympathy for Lady Vengeance styled parent revenge on this ****er.

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Stylo said:
I'd love to sit here and say that in order to not validate his actions we should all make a point of just not even looking at his essays (whether it's to see what a sick f*ck he is or not) but I know that it's just not going to happen.
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I didn't. Who says apathy can't be virtuous?
 
jimbo118 said:
The very argument about him being given a platform to air his views is being discussed as we speak (er post) among Norwegians on social network sites. There's a big campaign among them to totally ignore what he has to say. This is mostly due to his appearance in court tomorrow.

He will have the right to ask for an 'open hearing' giving him the ability to put forward his views etc.

Btw, the coroner or pathologist who was examining the dead bodies said Breivik used 'dum-dum' rounds on his victims for maximum internal damage.

Truly awful.
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Oh that sick ****er.

For those of you who do not understand what a dum-dum is, it's where a fully copper-jacketed (covered) round has an X filed into the tip in order for it to expand in a manner similar to hollow-point, extruding the lead out the front on impact and expanding/fragmenting in the chest cavity. It's like a hollow point, only much, much worse because it doesn't even come close to staying in one piece.

EDIT: It's times like this I wish we could 'fix' people like him, or make them capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, and then in simple and clinical terms explain to them the awfulness of what they've done so they spend a life sentence understanding at the most visceral level the horrors of what they have done. The most exquisite tortures are those which abide in the mind...
 
Anyway, I just participated in the Scandinavian-wide silent minute for the victims, it was beautiful. After the minute was done I looked on the news and saw recordings from the Central Station in Stockholm where a lot of other people also stopped in their busy schedules to honour the victims of this grotesque mad-man.
 
I got to say I found that manifesto kind of incredible. The passion and drive that guy has behind him is screaming at you from the pages. He was obviously very intelligent and very arrogant at the same time.

When a madman does something like this, it's easier to right off in your mind or just dismiss. But how could this man be so cold and aware of what he was doing and yet carry out such horrific actions.

My only hypothesis is that the man is a psychopath, totally devoid of any capability for human sympathy.
 
Solaris said:
I got to say I found that manifesto kind of incredible. The passion and drive that guy has behind him is screaming at you from the pages. He was obviously very intelligent and very arrogant at the same time.

When a madman does something like this, it's easier to right off in your mind or just dismiss. But how could this man be so cold and aware of what he was doing and yet carry out such horrific actions.

My only hypothesis is that the man is a psychopath, totally devoid of any capability for human sympathy.
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You are aware that over half of the manifesto is material and texts he copied/plagiarized from other folks?

Some of the copies he makes it clear he's just quoting others.

In other cases though, he's taken entire excerpts from the Unabomber's writings and just replaced a few words here and there and claimed them as his own.

I don't think he's nearly as smart as some people are giving him credit for, certainly not as intelligent as the Unabomber from what I've seen.
 
Well he's Handsome and Looks Good and Has Money so it just makes no sense that someone with that kind of moral culpability would do something like this ! ! !
 
The death toll for both of the attacks has been lowered to 76 by the police.

The police stated that the wrong figures happened because that the police and rescue crew were so focused on the survivors and helping them, that they miscounted the amount of dead.

The death toll for the bombing went up from 7 to 8 whereas the number of dead from the shooting were lowered from 86 to 68.
 
He admitted to the attack as well as claiming to have been working with 2 other cells and was stopped from reading his manifest in court.
 
This guy is most definitely mentally ill.This whole thing only makes sense in his Head.

 
Wow, that's one-fourth of the population. That's a great way to raise awareness of such attacks.
 
Guess he was successful in garnering attention. Just not the sort he wanted. :)
 
ABB had extensive contacts with the English Defence League, to the point that he travelled to meet with members several time in the UK, participated in protests and so forth.

Scotland Yard are now investigating all contacts he's had in the UK.

This is of special importance since he claims his 'recruitment' to the 'Templar' organization happened in London.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/glenn_beck_is_still_on_the_air.php

Glenn Beck, the right-wing US broadcaster and icon of the Tea Party movement, has compared those who died on the island of Utøya to the Hitler Youth.
Beck claimed on his radio show that the Norwegian Labour Party youth camp on the island was "disturbing" because it sounded like "a little like the Hitler Youth".

Glenn Beck clearly has never been to a Scandinavian political youth camp, or he'd know it's not Hitler Jugend-like brainwashing.
 
I've read the Manifesto for a couple of hundred pages, and it actually is kinda lucid. I mean, he has citations and everything. WTF is this.
 
Just because someone's a sick **** doesn't have to mean he's crazy.
 
That's like saying just because some one is gay it doesn't mean they're a homosexual. Absolutely nothing justifies gunning down masses of unarmed teenagers.

Also collaborating with the EDL? That just makes him look like even more of a loon, as they're nothing but a pack of football hooligans hiding under the pretense of a legitimate political party.
 
Unfocused said:
Just because someone's a sick **** doesn't have to mean he's crazy.
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I thought being a sick **** meant that you were crazy. Or you mean that in the unbalanced raving loony sense instead of the sadistic psycho sense.
 
Pulse said:
That's like saying just because some one is gay it doesn't mean they're a homosexual. Absolutely nothing justifies gunning down masses of unarmed teenagers.
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I didn't say anything about justifying anything.

My point is that while he did a terrible thing, he's not your typical mentally unstable ****head that kills people on a whim. He seems mentally stable; NOT mentally correct, but stable.

EDIT: Yeah, I meant crazy in that unbalanced loony sense. Look at Charles Manson and look at this guy.
 
Gargantou said:
ABB had extensive contacts with the English Defence League, to the point that he travelled to meet with members several time in the UK, participated in protests and so forth.

Scotland Yard are now investigating all contacts he's had in the UK.

This is of special importance since he claims his 'recruitment' to the 'Templar' organization happened in London.
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These are the people I was basically referring to earlier. The Anti-Muslim groups in the UK. If you'd like to see what the EDL are all about, their regular members give fantastic and informative interviews when questioned:

 
Watch the Templars be connected by varying degrees to NewsCorp, Blackwater/XE, and the CIA.

:V
 
More info found from his manifest:

His original plan was to make 2,5 million Euro(roughly) legally, in order to be able to self-publish his Manifest. Instead, he lost 200,000 Euro on the stockmarket.

That's when he decided to focus on Plan B, to commit a terrorist act to draw attention to his manifest.
 
So... it was a marketing gimmick? He slaughtered 76 people and attempted to assassinate the prime minister in order to promote his ****ing book?

That's so depressing I think I could just cry.
 
Bad^Hat said:
So... it was a marketing gimmick? He slaughtered 76 people and attempted to assassinate the prime minister in order to promote his ****ing book?

That's so depressing I think I could just cry.
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Yep, pretty much.

It seems though that he of course picked his victims partly due to their politics.

Sorta like "Hey, if I am gonna have to kill a bunch of people I might as well make it those that are the biggest proponents of what I hate!"

****ing douche.
 
Norway has lower recidivism rates than the US, despite having nicer prisons.

So maybe harsh prison environments isn't the answer to rehabilitating people into productive members of society, hmm?
 
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