Free Health care

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The problem with US healthcare is that HMOs, drug companies and hospitals all collude to price fix.

If you are a poor person wanting to pay cash for a hospital visit, you will pay more, a lot more than the HMOs will have to pay to put one of their insureds in. Why? Because they bargain the price down with their market power. So the person who can least afford it without insurance is the one who pays more.

In addition, drugs just over the border in Canada and Mexico, the same drugs, are many times cheaper. The drug companies talk about safety and so on - but its all a smoke screen. They raise the drug prices sky high in the US and ban the import of drugs from Canada and Mexico to protect their price fixing monopoly.

Those without insurance - which is a lot of people, just have to die if they need serious surgery. I believe that is wrong. The very least that society should provide people is health care. Whether you are poor or not, the USA is a rich enough country to permit

And I was someone who was not on welfare, and earning good money, but I could barely afford to pay medical bills in the US. Someone getting paid less would have been smashed. The employer had bad insurance coverage, so while you were theoretically covered you were not really. In the end the employer made up the difference when I ran out of money, but they could easily have said, we are not doing it.

So thats a very harsh outcome - that people are told if you do not have the money you must suffer and die.
 
Bodacious said:
I see where you are coming from and that is the case I am sure but the difference is, I have never seen that extra money nor have I had the opportunity to.. It is not like I was getting paid $20/hour one day and then the next day I decided I wanted healthcare and my pay was now $15/hour. From my point of view I have always been paid $15/hour and the money my employer pays for health insurance was never mine to miss not getting paid.

Hypothetically speaking - if there was Universal Health Care then the employer would not have to pay insurance. Then you would get paid more. Then you maybe would get taxed a bit more.

But without the insurance charge, you would not notice the difference anyway. It is not like you'd drop from $15/h to $12/h.

And this is not even diverting any funds from the military budget.

I completely agree with universal healthcare.
 
If you had free college I could possibly understand why you think that everyone can work to afford their health care, but since you haven't, that arguement doesn't work. Maybe I should start a new thread about free college too...
 
The_Monkey said:
If you had free college I could possibly understand why you think that everyone can work to afford their health care, but since you haven't, that arguement doesn't work. Maybe I should start a new thread about free college too...
i go to college for free
 
The basic health care should be free, although you can't expect the taxpayers to pay for everything.
 
Calanen said:
The problem with US healthcare is that HMOs, drug companies and hospitals all collude to price fix.

If you are a poor person wanting to pay cash for a hospital visit, you will pay more, a lot more than the HMOs will have to pay to put one of their insureds in. Why? Because they bargain the price down with their market power. So the person who can least afford it without insurance is the one who pays more.

In addition, drugs just over the border in Canada and Mexico, the same drugs, are many times cheaper. The drug companies talk about safety and so on - but its all a smoke screen. They raise the drug prices sky high in the US and ban the import of drugs from Canada and Mexico to protect their price fixing monopoly.

Those without insurance - which is a lot of people, just have to die if they need serious surgery. I believe that is wrong. The very least that society should provide people is health care. Whether you are poor or not, the USA is a rich enough country to permit

And I was someone who was not on welfare, and earning good money, but I could barely afford to pay medical bills in the US. Someone getting paid less would have been smashed. The employer had bad insurance coverage, so while you were theoretically covered you were not really. In the end the employer made up the difference when I ran out of money, but they could easily have said, we are not doing it.

So thats a very harsh outcome - that people are told if you do not have the money you must suffer and die.


Wow, that's pretty much what I was going to jump in and say. :)
 
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