"George Bush Doesn't care about Black People" - Kayne West

[No Limit]

"set up a team of advisors to manage the situation". thank god you arent in charge of america no limit, i think you just took a big old dump on states rights. what exactly would this crack squad of advisors be able to do? take charge of a sovreign state and start "getting shit done"? youre pulling your ideas out of your ass at this point. plz exit the internet. the amount of callous hate you put into george bush is outrageous.

I see you've been reading a lot of freerepublic. I have too, but I don't buy the bullshit they post. Read the following, maybe it will educate you about the role of the federal government vs local government. Changing the blame to local government is a tactic developed by Rove when they went into a full force category 5 PR offensive.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode

TITLE 6--DOMESTIC SECURITY

CHAPTER 1--HOMELAND SECURITY ORGANIZATION

SUBCHAPTER V--EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE

Sec. 317. Role of Federal Emergency Management Agency


(a) In general

The functions of the Federal Emergency Management Agency include the
following:
(1) All functions and authorities prescribed by the Robert T.
Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C.
5121 et seq.).
(2) Carrying out its mission to reduce the loss of life and
property and protect the Nation from all hazards by leading and
supporting the Nation in a comprehensive, risk-based emergency
management program--
(A) of mitigation, by taking sustained actions to reduce or
eliminate long-term risk to people and property from hazards and
their effects;
(B) of planning for building the emergency management
profession to prepare effectively for, mitigate against, respond
to, and recover from any hazard;
(C) of response, by conducting emergency operations to save
lives and property through positioning emergency equipment and
supplies, through evacuating potential victims, through
providing food, water, shelter, and medical care to those in
need, and through restoring critical public services;
(D) of recovery, by rebuilding communities so individuals,
businesses, and governments can function on their own, return to
normal life, and protect against future hazards; and
(E) of increased efficiencies, by coordinating efforts
relating to mitigation, planning, response, and recovery.

(b) Federal Response Plan

(1) Role of FEMA

Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Federal
Emergency Management Agency shall remain the lead agency for the
Federal Response Plan established under Executive Order No. 12148
(44 Fed. Reg. 43239) and Executive Order No. 12656 (53 Fed. Reg.
47491).

(2) Revision of Response Plan

Not later than 60 days after November 25, 2002, the Director of
the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall revise the Federal
Response Plan to reflect the establishment of and incorporate the
Department.

not sure if you've already posted, please link me. i guarantee you that youre spinning facts right here.

I did already post, here you go:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90660

Since you were SURE I was spinning facts I want to know how; otherwise I would hope you'd offer an apology. Feel free to spend a few hours searching free republic; they came up with some lame talking points to counter that fact but all those points have been refuted so you might not want to waste your time.

WHAT LEGISLATION? The law prohibiting hurricane contact with mainland america? BUSH SIGNED THE AID INTO LAW AS SOON AS IT HIT HIS DESK.

What are you talking about? They didn't sign on to emergency aid until Friday, 5 days after the fact.

here is a post by ben stein in his blog article. read it and stfu.

I did read it and I appreciate your request of my shutting the **** up but I will have to deny that request. What you posted has nothing to do with the points I made but just for shits and giggles I'll show some outright lies in that:

5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans.

Yes he did but cutting funding for that planning by 40% as I pointed out.

George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops

FAA couldn't find any evidance of people shooting at helicopters. This was a false story the media made up.

did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome

Again, false story. Authorities have not been able to confirm a single rape case in the superdome.

Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

yeah, thousands of people that will get diseases from this disaster would have access to a doctor. We can't have that for gods sake.

What else do you have from Free Republic I can refute? I enjoy doing it here since you get banned from there for doing it there.

 

[No Limit]

ummm.. i dont think it took "overnight" to decide to invade iraq. people have this ****ing stupid misconception that the federal government fixes things as they happen, or that george bush is somehow responsible for organizing and doing this. its just bullshit. local officials are the first responders - ALWAYS - and have the obligation to request help from the federal government which simply didnt happen. by the time local officials got out of their stupor, things started to happen. no limit is just trying desperately to protect failed democrats.

More lies from you. Please fact check this stuff before you post it. The governor of LA asked for federal assistane on the 26th, long before the hurricane hit. I have a source but I am busy, you can easily find it yourself.

 

[Dynasty]

No Limit you seem to be saying that if there is no evidence, its a lie or never existed???

 

[No Limit]

No Limit you seem to be saying that if there is no evidence, its a lie or never existed???

exactly *shrugs*

 

[Sainku]

I don't understand some people that say Bush shouldn't be blamed. When our leader shows he doesn't have the skill to be a leader what do you want people that see this to do, sit by and just take it? Bush has demonstrated he is not a leader time and time again, yet, because of reasoning like yours, he was elected again in 04. I want to make sure (along with about 60-70% of this country according to the latest polls) that nobody that supported this president gets elected in to public office in 06/08. Our elected officials need to be held accountable when they screw up and thousands die so americans don't make the same mistake come election season.

What the hell, seriously...just don't even quote me if your not going to respond to anything I say. I know it makes your posts look nice and pretty, but it is really getting annoying. It's like I'm playing one of those text games were you have to type your actions and the computer responds based on what it thinks you were trying to say, except your programming really sucks.

I'm obviously trying to discuss things related to the original post, like the behavior of the media and hollywood stars. Silly me. Terribly sorry, I will let you get back to your bash fest.

 

[No Limit]

What the hell, seriously...just don't even quote me if your not going to respond to anything I say. I know it makes your posts look nice and pretty, but it is really getting annoying. It's like I'm playing one of those text games were you have to type your actions and the computer responds based on what it thinks you were trying to say, except your programming really sucks.

I'm obviously trying to discuss things related to the original post, like the behavior of the media and hollywood stars. Silly me. Terribly sorry, I will let you get back to your bash fest.

I responded to your point that we shouldn't blame Bush at this time and it seemed to me you were implying the media is too hard on him. If I misunderstood feel free to correct me.

 

[Sainku]

I responded to your point that we shouldn't blame Bush at this time and it seemed to me you were implying the media is too hard on him. If I misunderstood feel free to correct me.

No, you did misunderstand and I will correct you. I was saying that there is a lot the media could do themselves, besides sitting there and bitching. Regardless of wether or not they reacted quick enough, now is not the time to discuss it ( or just blurt it out randomly ala kayne west ). I'm not saying they should all go jumping in leaky boats, but they do have tons of cash and there is a huge need for a lot of very basic things there. I have driven down a couple truck loads of stuff from a local relief fund and there is still a lot of people who could use things. I don't think this is a burden the government should be expected to handle themselves. Certainly the Bush can do no good crowd would agree the they are far from supermen and they could use a little help.

 

[No Limit]

No I was saying that there is a lot the media could do themselves, besides sitting there and bitching. Regardless of wether or not they reacted quick enough, now is not the time to discuss it. I'm not saying they should all go jumping in leaky boats, but they do have tons of cash and there is a huge need for a lot of very basic things there. I have driven down a couple truck loads of stuff from a local relief fund and there is still a lot of people who could use things. I don't think this is a burden the government should be expected to handle themselves. Certainly the Bush can do no good crowd would agree the they are far from supermen and they could use a little help.

The media reports facts. You can not expect everyone to go down there and help, though I'm glad you did. The media has a job to do, I have a job to do here in Albuquerque which prevents me from going to New Orleans to help, and the government has a job to do which they didn't do.

A lot more could have been done. I don't know if you saw what I posted in the other thread, let me repost it here. This was the response to Florida last year:

>CNN
>>>Hurricane Frances weakens slightly
>>>September 4, 2004
>>>__________________________________FEMA has positioned a powerful list of
>>>disaster response personnel, equipment and supplies to help those who are
>>>displaced or suffer losses after Hurricane Frances continues to move
>>>across Florida. The advance preparations include:
>>>
>>> FEMA's are operating
>>> around the clock, coordinating the pre-positioning of assets and
>>> responding to state requests for assistance.
>>>
>>> FEMA has deployed an advanced emergency response team to the Florida
>>> State Emergency Operations Center in Tallahassee to facilitate state
>>> requests for assistance. In addition, three rapid needs assessment teams
>>> have been pre-deployed to Florida.
>>>
>>> The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, at FEMA's request, is coordinating
>>> the staging of 100 truckloads of water and 100 truckloads of ice at
>>> operational centers in Florida.
>>>
>>> A first shipment of 30,000 tarps is en route to Atlanta, Ga., to be
>>> pre-staged for delivery to areas affected by Frances once the storm has
>>> cleared.
>>>
>>> FEMA is working to provider 10 trailers of generators at the request
>>> of Florida that will be used to provide power to critical facilities
>>> affected by the hurricane . . .
>>>
>>> Four urban search and rescue teams are deployed to Florida -- two in
>>> Miami and two in Jacksonville. Four teams are on alert.
>>>
>>> Two disaster medical assistance teams (DMAT) have been deployed to
>>> Florida to support medical facilities and hospitals that are not fully
>>> operational following the storm . . .
>>>
>>> Five pharmaceutical caches, containing emergency medical supplies,
>>> are being pre-positioned, and are currently en route to Atlanta and
>>> Tampa.
>>>
>>> FEMA's Mobile Emergency Response Services (MERS) communications staff
>>> and equipment are available to provide telephone, radio and video links
>>> in support of response and recovery efforts . . .
>>>
>>> . . . FEMA is working with the General Services Administration to
>>> analyze vacancy rates of various safe housing options . . . as part of
>>> pre-planning temporary housing strategies for those whose homes are
>>> severely damaged or destroyed.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>FEMA
>>>Press release on advance preparations for Hurricane Frances
>>>September 4, 2004
>>>
>>>__________________________________As of noon Monday >>>Frances made landfall] FEMA and other Federal response agencies have
>>>taken the following actions:
>>>
>>> About one hundred trucks of water and 280 trucks of ice are present
>>> or will arrive in the Jacksonville staging area today.
>>>
>>> 900,000 Meals-Ready-to-Eat are on site in Jacksonville, ready to be
>>> distributed.
>>>
>>> Over 7,000 cases of food (e.g., vegetables, fruits, cheese, ham, and
>>> turkey) are scheduled to arrive in Winter Haven today.
>>>
>>> Disaster medical assistance teams (DMAT) are on the ground and
>>> setting up comfort stations. FEMA community relations personnel will
>>> coordinate with DMATs to assist victims.
>>>
>>> Urban search and rescue teams are completing reconnaissance missions
>>> in coordination with state officials.
>>>
>>> FEMA is coordinating with the Department of Energy and the state to
>>> ensure that necessary fuel supplies can be distributed throughout the
>>> state, with a special focus on hospitals and other emergency facilities
>>> that are running on generators.
>>>
>>> The Army Corps of Engineers will soon begin its efforts to provide
>>> tarps to tens of thousands of owners of homes and buildings that have
>>> seen damage to their roofs . . .
>>>
>>> The Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and
>>> Defense together have organized 300 medical personnel to be on standby.
>>> Medical personnel will begin deployment to Florida tomorrow . . .
>>>White House
>>>Responding to Hurricanes Charley and Frances
>>>September 6, 2004
>>>
>>>__________________________________The Department of Homeland Security's
>>>Federal Emergency Management Agency . . . is preparing for Hurricane
>>>Ivan's landfall, which could affect multiple states, including Alabama,
>>>Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi.
>>>Intense planning and immediate actions are underway today in anticipation
>>>of Hurricane Ivan, including:
>>>
>>> FEMA personnel remain in Florida working with the victims of the two
>>> previous hurricanes. However, some staff has been repositioned to
>>> respond to state requests for assistance with Hurricane Ivan.
>>>
>>> In addition to the supplies provided for the two earlier hurricanes,
>>> the Army Corps of Engineers is standing by with 100 refrigerator trucks
>>> of ice and 500 trucks of water to meet immediate needs as part of the
>>> Hurricane Ivan response.
>>>
>>> FEMA is using every available means to move supplies to where they
>>> are most needed, including pre-positioning supplies and using
>>> alternative means of transportation such as ships, air transport, and railroad.
>>>FEMA
>>>Hurricane Ivan Preparations Underway
>>>September 14, 2004

The government clearly dropped the ball on this one. If we do not call them on it now they will make more mistakes and more people will die. Bush didn't get off his vacation until he got slammed by the left. If we used your reasoning (and the reasoning of so many around here) to just shut up for now Bush might still be in Crawford and FEMA might be saying that its not their job to help those people.

 

[Sainku]

The media reports facts. You can not expect everyone to go down there and help, though I'm glad you did. The media has a job to do, I have a job to do here in Albuquerque which prevents me from going to New Orleans to help, and the government has a job to do which they didn't do.

A lot more could have been done. I don't know if you saw what I posted in the other thread, let me repost it here. This was the response to Florida last year:


The government clearly dropped the ball on this one. If we do not call them on it now they will make more mistakes and more people will die. Bush didn't get off his vacation until he got slammed by the left. If we used your reasoning (and the reasoning of so many around here) to just shut up for now Bush might still be in Crawford and FEMA might be saying that its not their job to help those people.

I dont expect them to drive down personally. I am talking less about the media and more about the hollywood stars. A lot of them are actually down there, but they have not done anything besides bitch at bush. There time would be much better spent giving somone 50 bucks to pay for some basic supplies. I also work, infact thats were the drive was and were I got all the supplies. I don't expect people to do what I did, I live very close and have little else to do. However, if they are going to take the time to go down there anyway ( or even if they didn't they could still give some money ) they should at least spend it doing helpful things. I agree the governments first response was less than stellar, but that doesn't stop the media ( or more specifically hollywood stars ) from helping as much as they can. They go down to new orleans and bitch, but there endless rants aren't helping at all. The video at the begining of this thread is a great example of this. Now just isn't the time.

 

[No Limit]

I dont expect them to drive down personally. I am talking less about the media and more about the hollywood stars. A lot of them are actually down there, but they have not done anything besides bitch at bush. There time would be much better spent giving somone 50 bucks to pay for some basic supplies. I also work, infact thats were the drive was and were I got all the supplies. I don't expect people to do what I did, I live very close and have little else to do. However, if they are going to take the time to go down there anyway ( or even if they didn't ) they should at least spend it doing helpful things. I agree the governments first response was less than stellar, but that doesn't stop the media ( or more specifically hollywood stars ) from helping as much as they can. They go down to new orleans and bitch, but there endless rants aren't helping at all. The video at the begining of this thread is a great example of this. Now just isn't the time.

But again, you ignored what I said. This is the time. If Democrats didn't throw a hissy fit Bush would probably still be on vacation and FEMA would still be sitting around with their thumb up their asses.

When I screw up at work my boss puts pressure on me to fix it; he doesn't wait 3 months for the effects of my **** up to cool off and then tell me what I did wrong.

 

[gh0st]

the only real point (more like a talking point, straight from DU) that no limit has is the 40% decrease in army core of engineer funding and the relation with louisiana levee's. actually, you did spin it.

"Until the day before Katrina's arrival, New Orleans's 350 miles (560 kilometers) of levees were undergoing a feasibility study to examine the possibility of upgrading them to withstand a Category Four or Five storm.
Corps officials say the study, which began in 2000, will take several years to complete.

Upgrading the system would take as long as 20 to 25 years, according to Al Naomi, the Corps' senior project manager for the New Orleans District. "

source
Oops. not george bush's fault. in addition, the management for the ACE is really blowing it lately, they have a tendency to start more projects than they can feasibly finish. nothing would have happened differently had george bush not cut their funding. and frankly i would rather have more money going to my troops than a long term investment. so really the money had nothing to do with it. i await your withdrawal of that comment.

 

[No Limit]

the only real point (more like a talking point, straight from DU) that no limit has is the 40% decrease in army core of engineer funding and the relation with louisiana levee's. actually, you did spin it.

source
Oops. not george bush's fault. in addition, the management for the ACE is really blowing it lately, they have a tendency to start more projects than they can feasibly finish. nothing would have happened differently had george bush not cut their funding. and frankly i would rather have more money going to my troops than a long term investment. so really the money had nothing to do with it. i await your withdrawal of that comment.

Wow. You actually made an effort .

I will respond tomorrow as I am leaving work right now. However, can you just answer this before I get back. Do you think it was a good idea to cut New Orlean's emergency funding by 40% to pay for the Iraq war and then fire a Republican who criticised you for it at the time of the budget cut?

 

[gh0st]

i dont know anything about firing said republican... i dont think it was a good idea to cut funding, but its participation in new orleans destruction is negligable.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

I think his outburst is hilarious. SNL material as far as comedic timing goes.

 

[Sainku]

But again, you ignored what I said. This is the time. If Democrats didn't throw a hissy fit Bush would probably still be on vacation and FEMA would still be sitting around with their thumb up their asses.

When I screw up at work my boss puts pressure on me to fix it; he doesn't wait 3 months for the effects of my **** up to cool off and then tell me what I did wrong.

I'm not saying the president reacted perfectly, if he had gotten there earlier I'm sure things would have been done faster ( yes, even though he is the huge failure he is ). I'm not sure why he wasn't there earlier, but I refuse to believe he would have just sat there on his ass if he knew it was as bad as it was. Once he did get there, and had talks with the governor it still took her another 24 hours before she made a decision. Nagin has voiced multiple times how unreasonable the governor was during this time.

The local authorities were in shambles, the place was a giant cluster**** until Honorie got there and took command. FEMA is designed to work with the local authorities, FEMA had their thumbs up their asses because that is all they were good for. I'm not particularly fond of the way they handled this but to put the blame entirely on them and bush is insane. Multiple branches of the government really dropped the ball on this one and it goes much deeper than the president and FEMA. I think it is extremely one sided of you to hold bush wholly responsible.

So yes I do think something would have still been done if "democrats" quit bitching. I'm not denying the main relief force was a bit slow in getting there, and I'm not sure why. I don't think anyone is, people know what they wish was the reason but no one actually knows. This brings me back to my original post, and a little bit clsoe to the original topic. The hollywood stars should quit bitching and start using their giant bank accounts to help a little, The relief effort is in full force now and getting it done. Those who can should do what they can and we should all slam the guy responsible later.

 

[Kmack]

its not just black people he doesnt care about, its poor people in general, just so happens that in new orleans (and many other places) blacks and other minorities are the poorest.

 

[baxter]

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

Only three known Cat. 5 storms have ever hit the United States:

The unnamed Labor Day hurricane of 1935;
Hurricane Camille in 1969; and
Hurricane Andrew in 1992
The last one being some 13 years ago, this wasn’t just a little offshore breeze, only three have ever hit the US before.

“This is a once in a lifetime event,” said New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin. “We are telling all of our citizens to leave New Orleans. Never before has the city of New Orleans seen a storm this big heading directly toward it.”



In early 2001, at the start of Mr Bush's presidency, his Government's Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) warned that a hurricane hitting New Orleans would be the deadliest of the three most likely catastrophes facing America; the others were a massive San Francisco earthquake and, prophetically, a terrorist attack on New York.
Federal spending on flood control in south-east Louisiana has been cut by almost half since 2001, from $69m (£34.5m) per year to $36.5m. Funds for work at Lake Pontchartrain, the source of the flooding, have fallen by nearly two-thirds over three years, from $14.25m to $5.7m. As a result, work on New Orleans' east bank hurricane levees stopped last summer for the first time in 37 years

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article310195.ece

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

The scientific community has reached a strong consensus regarding the science of global climate change. The world is undoubtedly warming. This warming is largely the result of emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from human activities including industrial processes, fossil fuel combustion, and changes in land use, such as deforestation.
This warming will have real consequences for the United States and the world, for with that warming will also come additional sea-level rise that will gradually inundate coastal areas, changes in precipitation patterns, increased risk of droughts and floods.

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/

Bush's plan is dramatically lower than the estimated 33 percent mandatory reduction sought by the Kyoto agreement for the United States, the world's largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions. Bush has criticized the treaty, saying it set unrealistic goals and could damage the U.S. economy. But other nations worry about scientific concerns that climate change could lead to severe floods and droughts, rising sea levels

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/globalwarming/

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.
The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax

 

[gh0st]

baxter, the point is that bush's environmental policy had nothing to do with the strength or timing of katrina. did global warming cause the 1935 hurricane?

 

[Llama]

Well as mankind had been burning some form of fossil fuel well before that...its possible

 

[baxter]

baxter, the point is that bush's environmental policy had nothing to do with the strength or timing of katrina. did global warming cause the 1935 hurricane?

I never suggested it did, I was addressing the statement

There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists

and

If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters

The other point I was making was these type of hurricanes are very rare, only three recorded in the last century. Katrina was predicted to be a force five before it hit the Gulf States, With such a rare event about to happen, if you are happy with Federal response so be it.
I personally would like to think if something of such magnitude was heading towards the UK, the Government would swing into action some sort of emergency plan.
Maybe start mobilising emergency equipment and personnel before it hit, maybe mobilise national assets to assist evacuations, maybe set the ball rolling to deal with a disaster heading your way.
Or maybe stay on holiday and hope it all goes away.

 

[No Limit]

I'm not saying the president reacted perfectly, if he had gotten there earlier I'm sure things would have been done faster ( yes, even though he is the huge failure he is ). I'm not sure why he wasn't there earlier, but I refuse to believe he would have just sat there on his ass if he knew it was as bad as it was. Once he did get there, and had talks with the governor it still took her another 24 hours before she made a decision. Nagin has voiced multiple times how unreasonable the governor was during this time.

The local authorities were in shambles, the place was a giant cluster**** until Honorie got there and took command. FEMA is designed to work with the local authorities, FEMA had their thumbs up their asses because that is all they were good for. I'm not particularly fond of the way they handled this but to put the blame entirely on them and bush is insane. Multiple branches of the government really dropped the ball on this one and it goes much deeper than the president and FEMA. I think it is extremely one sided of you to hold bush wholly responsible.

So yes I do think something would have still been done if "democrats" quit bitching. I'm not denying the main relief force was a bit slow in getting there, and I'm not sure why. I don't think anyone is, people know what they wish was the reason but no one actually knows. This brings me back to my original post, and a little bit clsoe to the original topic. The hollywood stars should quit bitching and start using their giant bank accounts to help a little, The relief effort is in full force now and getting it done. Those who can should do what they can and we should all slam the guy responsible later.

But did you read the government regulations I posted regarding FEMA? They did not have to wait for action from the governor. And again, the governor asked for assistance on the 26th, long before the hurricane hit. What the white house is doing is they are trying to place all the blame on local authorities. yes, local authorities screwed up in some places but the big job was to be done by federal authorities; there is no way local officials can get the resources to manage a disaster like this by themselves as we saw.

 

[No Limit]

baxter, the point is that bush's environmental policy had nothing to do with the strength or timing of katrina. did global warming cause the 1935 hurricane?

Again, this is just a bunch of crap from the right to diffuse the criticism and make critics sound crazy. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, is suggesting Bush caused this hurricane. Everybody is talking about his response time.

 

[No Limit]

i dont know anything about firing said republican... i dont think it was a good idea to cut funding, but its participation in new orleans destruction is negligable.

http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/3210
this is the republican I was refering to:

"I'm not saying it wouldn't still be flooded, but I do feel that if it had been totally funded, there would be less flooding than you have," said Michael Parker, a former Republican Mississippi congressman who headed the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers from October 2001 until March 2002, when he was ousted after publicly criticizing a Bush administration proposal to cut the corps' budget.

The funding was partly going to be used to strenghten the leeves which would take years as you said. But it was also going to be used for this:

"The fact that they weren't that high was a result of lack of funding," he said, noting that part of the levee at the 17th Street Canal--where one of the breaches occurred--was 4 feet lower than the rest. "I think they could have significantly reduced the impact if they had those projects funded. If you need to spend $20 million and you spend $4 or $5 million, something's got to give."

If that leeve was as high as the others a lot less flooding would have occured.

Now, that is just one of my points. you said I didn't have any other ones, you must have missed a couple of my posts. Bush set up the Homeland security deparment in 2001, this gave FEMA authority to go in to any disaster area without action from local officials. They failed on this. Bush took 3 days to get off his ass when the hurricane struck, do you support this?

Bush, instead of getting firefighters to save lives, took 50 of them, flew them to louisiana and have a photo op with them as I just posted in another thread. Do you support this?

Dick Cheney, who last year said if you vote for Kerry he will let you die didn't show his face until yesterday when he said he would visit the area this Friday. Do you support this?

Now the main point. Currently there is I believe around 6,000 national guard troops in New Orleans; that's about 1 for every 3 square miles. Do you know where all those other needed guard troops are? You guessed it, Iraq. So tell me, who was a bigger threat, Saddam, who never touched a single american on our soil and didn't have the capability to do so or a hurricane that might kill tens, even hundreds of thousands of people and ruin the life and economy of an entire city?

See what you can find at free republic to address those points.