God doesnt exist

Originally posted by Fender357
Thats a good argument for being atheist.


I dont really think science has done much to discredit religion. There were the big thigns like finding out about dinosaurs and stuff, discrediting the creationist view. But there have been extreme floods on earth, thats been prooven.
And just about every physicist I've read about (im big into physics) belives in god. And those guys are all about finding out how we exist here and why everything works the way it does.

Saying that everything that exists happend by chance is just to much of a leap of faith for me :naughty:
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Faith always beat fact. Cause people are generally very stupid :)

Anyhow, I dont beleive God exist either. Kind of. Well, not really. I dont beleive that God is out there and we have to worship him and go to church and blablablablaetcetc... I believe that *I* am God. And I justify it by refering to christianity (and no, its not mistaken for 'insanity'), although my beleif is more of a mix between buddhism and atheism. Figure that one out! :E
 
dawdler, I've called the psychiatrist for you.. you'll soon enough be in a room with padded walls, and you'll have a nice, warm jacket that will force you to hug yourself!
 
Originally posted by Shuzer
a nice, warm jacket that will force you to hug yourself!
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So he'll stop hugging all the children?
 
Originally posted by Shuzer
dawdler, I've called the psychiatrist for you.. you'll soon enough be in a room with padded walls, and you'll have a nice, warm jacket that will force you to hug yourself!
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Actually that sounds nice. My arms have many times been in the way, and the walls ARE pretty hard, arent they? If I had padded furniture too, I wouldnt have had that 'accident' involving a wasp, lots of blood and 5 stitches.

Anyhow, dont you beleive you are God? If you do not, you dont beleive in what the bible say, and thus cant be a true christian. And that is not loosely interpreting the bible, that is interpreting it EXACTLY as it says.
What I refer to is quite easy to figure out :)
 
Originally posted by mchammer75040
First of all God cannot be omnipotent, omni benevolent and omniscience. Omniscience, contradicts both the above mentioned attributes as well as freewill. If God has omniscience, which means he knows all-of total knowledge, then he knows exactly where your going when you die. Meaning that going to church or praying to repent sins would be meaningless since its already decided before you are even concieved! And it actually says this in the bible! That means we are not responisible for anything we do, we might as well sit back and wait it out.
And if you say there is "free events" which we make choices at (which this has been brought up many times before) then that proves he is not omniscience, and if he is there can be no such thing as free events or he would know the outcome of those anyway.

It also contradicts omnipotence. If God knows the future with infallible certainty, he cannot change it. Note i didnt say he would need to because of having knowledge of it but that if he could it would automatically limit his power. If God can change the future, however, he cannot have infallible knowledge of it prior to its actual happening-in which case he cannot be omniscient. These attributes cant be twisted to ones liking its either he has these or doesnt.

Also take omnibenolvence. The idea of him being all good, this contradicts the above as well. If God doesnt know of evil he is not omniscient. If he does know of evil but cant prevent it, then he is not omnipotent. If God knows of evil and can stop it but chooses not too, he is not omnibenevolent. Meaning he probably gets off somehow on our pain and suffering.

Also back on the subject of omnipotence, there can be no obstacles to divine omnipotence. No difficulties that God must overcome because God's "will" is sufficent enough to produce any effect. The necessity of employing means to accomplish an end is the consequence of limited power; thefefore, God cannot be said to employ means in any sense. We also realize that God cannot be said to act in any manner, because actions require only a being who must resort to means in order to accomplish a given end. Nor can God be said to have any kind of purpose, because "purpose" entails unfulfilled desires or goals and these cannot apply to a omnipotent being.


So im going to jump ahead, predict someones reply to this and react before it happens to save me time. Someone will soon say God is "unknown" uncomprehinsible to the human mind. In doing this you collapse into agnosticism, saying that you believe in some unknowable being doing something unknowlable in a unknowable way. This is to admit one does not know what one is talking about!
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One entry found for omniscient.


Main Entry: om·ni·scient
Pronunciation: -sh&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: New Latin omniscient-, omnisciens, back-formation from Medieval Latin omniscientia
Date: 1604
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge

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for starters, there is no context for the definition of omniscience. it doesn't say having infinite understanding of all knowledge now, in the past, and in the future. so it defaults to knowing all knowledge of now, not yesterday, and not tomorrow. unless you were around since the beginning of time. then you would know all there that was in the past and present.

so when you based some of your statements off god knowing what we are going to do before we do it, thats not valid. what if i were to receive the gift of omniscience from a deity?
 
Originally posted by dawdler
Anyhow, dont you beleive you are God? If you do not, you dont beleive in what the bible say, and thus cant be a true christian. And that is not loosely interpreting the bible, that is interpreting it EXACTLY as it says.
What I refer to is quite easy to figure out :)
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God created man in his own image? Just taking a stab in the dark here, come on enlighten us ^^
 
Originally posted by Murray_H
I love this quote

"Fighting over religion is like fighting over who has the best imaginary friend"

Or words to that effect (sorry i'm tired)
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LOL! That is definitely getting remembered ... :)

/me remembers
 
EDIT: forget this post, i didn't mean to triple post :/
 
Whats the point in this argument? We all agree anyway... we agree that there is no way anyone can possibly know. Thus the rest is just down to personal preference.
 
Originally posted by MrD
Um, definitions are made by man, so they are pointless.

Since nobody actually knows god, nobody could possibly know what they can or cannot do. Disproving the existing of a god on the basis of what someone else thinks a god should be able to do is stupid.
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yes...people often use logic to prove illogical things
 
Originally posted by MrD
Whats the point in this argument? We all agree anyway... we agree that there is no way anyone can possibly know. Thus the rest is just down to personal preference.
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there are people (i know some) who say they know god exists. they will never admit that it's impossible to prove...they've proven it to themselves. you ask them, "but how do you KNOW?" and they just give a bunch of examples of miracle-ish things and claim it was God.

no, it's not proof for most people, nor science...but it's proof for them, so that's good enough.

it's all about your perception of the world, and people don't want to understand that people have a choice to believe what they want.

if someone believes they know god exists and that it is fact, you will never convince them otherwise because their perception of the world has changed to one where God exists...period.
 
I dont belive in god, and I dont like beer see if you can convince me otherwise! Its almost the same thing.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac


for starters, there is no context for the definition of omniscience. it doesn't say having infinite understanding of all knowledge now, in the past, and in the future. so it defaults to knowing all knowledge of now, not yesterday, and not tomorrow. unless you were around since the beginning of time. then you would know all there that was in the past and present.

so when you based some of your statements off god knowing what we are going to do before we do it, thats not valid. what if i were to receive the gift of omniscience from a deity?
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What if you were? What are you trying to say? Omniscience means one having total knowledge, that is the context definition of omniscience.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=omniscience
 
mchammer, he was trying to say that "all knowing" doesn't necessarily mean all knowing of the future.

you're basing your argument off of an assumption about something that isn't actually in the definition
 
Originally posted by Shuzer
..YOU GET PRESENTS ON HALLOWEEN IF YOU BELIEVE IN PUMPKINISM!?~?!~?!?@!?~!@?@!>!#/1/3/
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...

I take it you've never read much of "Peanuts".:E
 
Originally posted by Fender357
Thats a good argument for being atheist.


I dont really think science has done much to discredit religion. There were the big thigns like finding out about dinosaurs and stuff, discrediting the creationist view. But there have been extreme floods on earth, thats been prooven.
And just about every physicist I've read about (im big into physics) belives in god. And those guys are all about finding out how we exist here and why everything works the way it does.

Saying that everything that exists happend by chance is just to much of a leap of faith for me :naughty:
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Didnt say it happened by chance, my views are a mix of buddhism and hindu philosophy but i dont believe in the gos represented in those religions.

So your telling me that you believe Noah actually was on a boat when the whole world got flooded? There were floods on earth, but i doubt they were anytime close to our time-because it would be impossible. The idea of Noah having to make a boat and put 2 of every animal on the boat is absurd. Think about it, how could he have gotten the kangaroos off of australia? Those animals are terrain bound, they couldnt get to where noah was. Its easy to say "well God just made more" but then why would he have asked noah to put 2 of every animal on the boat if God's "will" is sufficent enough to kill everything and bring it all back to life?

As far as physicists proving God i dont believe that, all of the things ive heard in science go against God. Also where is this? Show me something (unbiased) that proves God in physics, because everything in physics that Ive ever read points directly to the big bang theory.
 
Originally posted by Maskirovka
mchammer, he was trying to say that "all knowing" doesn't necessarily mean all knowing of the future.

you're basing your argument off of an assumption about something that isn't actually in the definition
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Yea i see what hes saying but wouldnt you think someone who stood outside of time and created this universe would know all? If hes standing outside of time looking in than there is no "time" so him knowing the future would be logical, because he wouldnt fall into its restrictions.
 
Originally posted by Bad^Hat
God created man in his own image? Just taking a stab in the dark here, come on enlighten us ^^
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Exactly. That's what the bible says (fun note, 'created in our image', think on that for a while).

So, I am God. Everyone is God. Its very simple. If you take a file, God.exe and copy it to a another disc, what have you done? The original is still there. But there is also a copy, in another physical location. That copy contains the EXACT same data and information as the original God.exe, its just not in the same physical location. There are now two God.exe. Which is the correct one?! Both are exactly the same!!! Thus, we are all copies, and we are all God.

But if I dont beleive in God, which I dont, I have a problem :)
 
What's the difference between an administrator and God?

God does not think he is an administrator :)
 
but if you copy to another location, sometimes the file inherits the permissions of the destination. THUS the file in itself is the same but due to external influences it gets modified (education, parents, school, politics, history). It's sorta like the statement that no dog is born aggressive, but it's the owner that makes it that way...

pfff.. *headache*
 
Does that mean when I reformat I will wipe God?

Ooh, the power :)
 
How much space does God.exe take up? And does the latest version still require Hostsofheaven.dll and Worship.dat?
 
Originally posted by Brian Damage
How much space does God.exe take up? And does the latest version still require Hostsofheaven.dll and Worship.dat?
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Dude you didnt hear it got delayed til like april 04?
 
Damn, Bugger and Blast.

Oh, well...

Back to using Satan.exe. Has anyone got it to work without Evildeeds.bat?
 
Originally posted by mchammer75040
Dude you didnt hear it got delayed til like april 04?
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No, that's just the expansion.

Back to using Satan.exe. Has anyone got it to work without Evildeeds.bat?
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Yes. Just rename it to God.exe instead! Its basicly the same thing, but with less crashes and annoyances. Being evil is good! :devil:
 
Awwwwwww... stuff it.

From now on, I'll just use the online service at Buddah.com

Much easier.
 
lol this thread has been completely hijacked!
 
Pff... Moderators never hijack stuff!!! Its... uhm... something... about something... and... GOD DOESNT EXIST!!! HAHA!!! (there, back on topic)
 
haha, screw you all, the old branchdavidian OS has been bought by hewletpackard-compaq, and they're making a sweet pda that'll run it (it's called BDM, branchdavidian-moblie)! now i can take my crazy everywhere i go!!! see you on the mothership suckas!!
 
Ha, MoonieOS has a bigger userbase! It's been around longer. Although it does tend to require a lot of monetary input.
 
if there is no proof that god exists then i wont belive it. obviuos really.
 
Show me the physical proof that internet exists.

(meaning, even if you saw it you would have no idea what you are looking at. How can staring at a server harddrive prove that halflife2.net exists on it? Think on it)
 
well if you shut down all internet servers then the internet will crash, wish i could do that to god but i cant.
 
So... God is already proven to exist then? He was here according to the bible, now he isnt, powerblackout maybe? :)
So... Is the bible correct? You have to assume that, otherwise this is a mooth point. You need something as a reference. We cant just 'prove God exist' out of the blue. No matter the proof shown, you wouldnt know it was proof in the first place. If a man appeared in the sky, proclaiming 'I AM THY ONLY GOD!', and we didnt have the bible, what would be the point? Who's God? What God? Huh?
 
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