God doesnt exist

[king John I]

i'm sorry, did you say that god deosn't exist? well then you sir would be right.

 

[MrD]

Originally posted by ray_MAN
DON'T EVEN SAY GOD DOESN'T EXIST!!! I am serious!

God possibly may or may not exist.

How's that?

ps. dawdler, what exactly is a "mooth" point? Is that a point made by a Scottish person, using only their mouth?

 

[king John I]

haha, scottish person! scottish are funny.

 

[dawdler]

Something pointless to talk about.

Example:
Prove to me that the color of blue is blue.
Prove to me that a laserbeam exists.

Both need reference, otherwise its pointless to talk about them. If you want to figure out the definition of 'blue', you have to know the other colors (talking basic ones). If you want to prove a laserbeam exists, you need to stop it against something, hence a reference.

Proving God exists is the same thing. If we dont assume the bible is correct, there isnt a point with asking the question. And if we assume the bible is correct, we already proven that God exists!

 

[king John I]

well blue is just the name we give to a particuar colour, and we can see a laser beam when we shine it at stuff. can we see god in this way? i think not.

 

[dawdler]

You didnt read my post below the examples, did you?

 

[ray_MAN]

Dude I am a very serious Christian and I believe in Jesus and God very much. Now I know he may not exist but I think he does.

 

[king John I]

whoa! get a grip rayman, really its for your own good. Nobody likes false hopes.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

or false prophets.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by ray_MAN
Now I know he may not exist but I think he does.

and knowing is half the battle, go JOE!

 

[Maskirovka]

even better than proving the color blue is blue...how about you prove that the color blue you see is the same color blue i see

better yet...how about you prove god doesn't exist?

for the record, i'm agnostic leaning towards believing there is some kind of higher power...though i'm quite sure it's not any of the ones people now believe in...i'm just convinced the universe isn't random...like qckbeam said...if you believe in science and the big bang, you have to ask yourself, "what was there before the big bang?" and many other mind-bending questions like that.

so many of you in this thread have said things about science proving or disproving that a God exists...but what about string theory?

physics has basically stumbled on a theory about the universe and the forces within it that just has to be right, but isn't provable yet if at all. understanding the theory and continuing to work with it requires a bit of...shall we say faith?

if you read these (and the rest of the stuff on this and the many other websites devoted to string theory) you should get a good idea of what i'm getting at.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/everything.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/greene.html

 

[iamironsam]

Buddha wasn't a god, he was a spiritually enlightened man. Budhists don't concern themselves with who or what or if god is, cause there simply isn't enough evidence to come to any conclusions. Buddhism is a very logical belief system in that sense.

 

[mchammer75040]

Originally posted by Maskirovka
even better than proving the color blue is blue...how about you prove that the color blue you see is the same color blue i see

better yet...how about you prove god doesn't exist?

for the record, i'm agnostic leaning towards believing there is some kind of higher power...though i'm quite sure it's not any of the ones people now believe in...i'm just convinced the universe isn't random...like qckbeam said...if you believe in science and the big bang, you have to ask yourself, "what was there before the big bang?" and many other mind-bending questions like that.

so many of you in this thread have said things about science proving or disproving that a God exists...but what about string theory?

physics has basically stumbled on a theory about the universe and the forces within it that just has to be right, but isn't provable yet if at all. understanding the theory and continuing to work with it requires a bit of...shall we say faith?

if you read these (and the rest of the stuff on this and the many other websites devoted to string theory) you should get a good idea of what i'm getting at.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/everything.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/greene.html

Ive read up on the String Theory, (correct me if im wrong) it talks about everything actually being a vibration, correct? This actually has been argued on the part of Hindu/Buddhism philosophy for many years. I dont feel like typing everything up, (although ill sum up what i know if you care to hear about it) but if your intrested into it pick up some books from Alan Watts and Suzuki both are well versed in the eastern philosophies and deliever a very clear look at them.

 

[mchammer75040]

Originally posted by iamironsam
Buddha wasn't a god, he was a spiritually enlightened man. Budhists don't concern themselves with who or what or if god is, cause there simply isn't enough evidence to come to any conclusions. Buddhism is a very logical belief system in that sense.

Well actually they do have gods, they are called divas. Although they dont worship them like other religions, infact they regard a enlightened one much higher than a diva.

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by mchammer75040
Well actually they do have gods, they are called divas. Although they dont worship them like other religions, infact they regard a enlightened one much higher than a diva.

Budhist divas are much more like mythological creatures than gods. When I spoke of a god I ment the creator.

 

[king John I]

i would be a budhist if i had to belive in something, but i dont. so i wont. of corse the universe is random. i wont belive intill its proven, just like i wont belive in ghosts till thier proven, etc.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by mchammer75040
Ive read up on the String Theory, (correct me if im wrong) it talks about everything actually being a vibration, correct? This actually has been argued on the part of Hindu/Buddhism philosophy for many years. I dont feel like typing everything up, (although ill sum up what i know if you care to hear about it) but if your intrested into it pick up some books from Alan Watts and Suzuki both are well versed in the eastern philosophies and deliever a very clear look at them.

ok...string theory really has nothing to do with eastern philosophy, but i'd like to hear if there's some kind of connection...even if it's superficial or indirect.

the point i was making with string theory is that it's a scientific theory that has been reached through the scientific method and mathematics. it seems so right...if it's true, it would unify quantum mechanics and einstein's theories into one "theory of everything" that encompasses just about everything in the universe....yet there is no experimental proof for it.

the guy being interviewed on that PBS website has been working on the theory for 17 years...
in my mind, he's similar to someone who studies religion. studying something that has no experimental evidence.

if you don't believe in any god(s), it seems a little bit nutty for someone to study something with no proof...but he's trying to discover things about the universe and how it works, just as someone studying religion is doing the same thing.

the search for understanding has led philosophers and scientists to basically the same thing...pretty amazing and non-random if you ask me.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by king John I
i would be a budhist if i had to belive in something, but i dont. so i wont. of corse the universe is random. i wont belive intill its proven, just like i wont belive in ghosts till thier proven, etc.

i don't believe in you until you're proven...maybe you're just some machine designed to make negative comments on forums.

 

[mchammer75040]

Originally posted by Maskirovka
ok...string theory really has nothing to do with eastern philosophy, but i'd like to hear if there's some kind of connection...even if it's superficial or indirect.

the point i was making with string theory is that it's a scientific theory that has been reached through the scientific method and mathematics. it seems so right...if it's true, it would unify quantum mechanics and einstein's theories into one "theory of everything" that encompasses just about everything in the universe....yet there is no experimental proof for it.

the guy being interviewed on that PBS website has been working on the theory for 17 years...
in my mind, he's similar to someone who studies religion. studying something that has no experimental evidence.

if you don't believe in any god(s), it seems a little bit nutty for someone to study something with no proof...but he's trying to discover things about the universe and how it works, just as someone studying religion is doing the same thing.

the search for understanding has led philosophers and scientists to basically the same thing...pretty amazing and non-random if you ask me.

Yes I agree, the only reason I dont believe in the main religions is because there is many things going against it, many Ive already stated.
Although i realize that the String Theory and eastern philosophy may not have anything to do with each other, but I do see some simalrities. In the eastern philosophies derived from buddhism and hinduism they believe that the entire universe is like one big vibration, if you care to learn I'll find some sites but really i dont care to type it up lol, I know of this site that i found on Alan Watts:
http://www.deoxy.org/watts.htm
Not sure if it has anything on it, since Ive read little of the site, but look around it should since it contains most of his lectures. I've got som books and notes on it and I'll type them up later.

 

[iamironsam]

It's hard to find a phycist who doesn't believe in a god these days, cause all our advancements in physics have really shown us is our limitations in ever truly understanding what created us and how. The two big limitations at this point are finding out what happened before the big bang and overcomming the law of uncertainty.

It's for that reason that people can't really use science as an excuse to disregard beleif in a higher power. It doesn't necessarily mean that they have to believe in an organized religion, but it does mean that atheists can't hide behind science anymore.

 

[king John I]

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[Mechagodzilla]

Originally posted by iamironsam
Buddha wasn't a god, he was a spiritually enlightened man. Budhists don't concern themselves with who or what or if god is, cause there simply isn't enough evidence to come to any conclusions. Buddhism is a very logical belief system in that sense.

Hmm... I like the sound of this buddhism religion.

I made a post earlier about my personal stance on religion, and this is practically the same opinion. Could a conversion be in order? Or am I already there?

Is it possible to convert if you didn't know what your religion was in the first place?

 

[Kadayi]

People believe in the notion of Freedom, yet you can't physically prove that freedom exists? Freedom is a concept, the same way that god is a matter of faith. We acknowledge that the notion of freedom exists, because we as people mutually agree upon it as a concept. Likewise if people have a faith in a god, then for all intents and purposes he/she/it exists for them.

You might as well say that Mathematics doesn't exist, because it is a state of concept we humans subcribe to, nothing more. What is not physical exists purely in the minds of people.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

ok, first of all, how many people on these forums are actually trained/practicing scientists? well, lil' timmy is, and that most scientists 'believe' in god is entirely a product of sociology and has nothing to do with the limitations of physics or whatnot. people (long before they become old enough to know what professional science is) are indoctrinated with ideas of god(s), and this early inundation has a much more profound effect on the person than later career choice. most scientists are doing a job, and consider their work to be wholly apart from considerations of faith. this is a philosophical debate, not a scientific one.

note: even if string theory becomes testable and 'proven' there will still be people (physicists included) who believe in god(s).

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by MrD
Whats the point in this argument? We all agree anyway... we agree that there is no way anyone can possibly know. Thus the rest is just down to personal preference.

or personal discovery

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by ray_MAN
Dude I am a very serious Christian and I believe in Jesus and God very much. Now I know he may not exist but I think he does.

i dont know if you are being sarcastic or what. but if you believe that he "may" not exist. then you arent a christian. a real christian knows 100% that god exists.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
note: even if string theory becomes testable and 'proven' there will still be people (physicists included) who believe in god(s).

when did i say string theory proves god doesn't exist? i think you missed the point.

 

[Javert]

Believe me, if the best philosophers can not answer this question for the past 2,000 years, I doubt you will be able to say a simple

period.

 

[ADV]

The deepest darkest times of the world was when man(woman) was unguided and vulnerable. Some rose up and found that fear was to their advantage, a power that could be used to control others.

I ask you to think upon these things:

1) If there is a god, what right do you have to expect (it) to help you when you die, or to help you at all for that matter.

2) Fear is a part of religion, an entity that will strike you down if you do not live by it's ways, be it during or at the end of your life. Why is that?

3) If you believe in 'a' GOD, or a 'way of life' that is fine, that can be good!. but Why would you live your life based on words created by man NOT GOD but man, Words from a book called the bible.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Maskirovka
when did i say string theory proves god doesn't exist? i think you missed the point.

did i say you did? did i even intimate it? have you ever killed a man?

q.e.d. i fear..

 

[Wraith]

Originally posted by Tr0n
It's better to believe in a god than not one at all.It's 50/50...If you believe in a god then you would go to heaven and if there wasn't one then you wouldn't have to worry at all.So its would be more logical to just go ahead and believe in god.

so you are saying it is possible to trick god into thinking you really like him, just so you can get into heaven "just in case" there is one? i think god would burn you faster than he would burna person who follows his heart and doesnt believe, but turns out wrong.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Wraith
so you are saying it is possible to trick god into thinking you really like him, just so you can get into heaven "just in case" there is one? i think god would burn you faster than he would burna person who follows his heart and doesnt believe, but turns out wrong.

obviously, you don't know god.

 

[Mr.Reak]

Didn’t we guys learn anything? Debating about religion, or politics in that matter, over the internet gives you nothing, but bunch of angry people. At least in real life you can smash someone in the face if you disagree with him. But than again, I am wearing a cross around my neck, what do I know.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Mr.Reak
Didn’t we guys learn anything? Debating about religion, or politics in that matter, over the internet gives you nothing, but bunch of angry people. At least in real life you can smash someone in the face if you disagree with him. But than again, I am wearing a cross around my neck, what do I know.

it's a healthy discussion...i don't think anyone is angry. it does give you something...an idea of what others think about certain subjects. if you consider that worthless...fine...but i don't.

 

[mchammer75040]

I dont either having philosophical talks like this much more intresting time waster than games, at times.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
did i say you did? did i even intimate it? have you ever killed a man?

q.e.d. i fear..

you said

note: even if string theory becomes testable and 'proven' there will still be people (physicists included) who believe in god(s).

even if by accident, this sentence implies that somehow string theory will prove there is no god...

 

[Mr.Reak]

Well, if it is discussion, and philosophical for that matter, okay than. To tell you the truth, I didn’t even read all 10 pages, too much. I just like to put random smartass comments now and then.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Mr.Reak
I didn’t even read all 10 pages, too much. I just like to put random smartass comments now and then.

a good reason not to participate in and an especially good reason not to criticize a discussion.

Originally posted by Mr.Reak
I just like to put random smartass comments now and then. [/B]

lame...go find something else to do :\

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Maskirovka
even if by accident, this sentence implies that somehow string theory will prove there is no god...

and of course i was taking umbrage with the notion that my previous statement was implying that you said anything about string theory prooving god doesn't exist .. which you fail to address.

quid pro quo, i fear...

 

[Estevan]

god dont exist. im not saying jesus didnt, but god is a fake. WHY! because theres no proof of him, i kinda dont have feeling fro jesus eaither. all you have to do is watch the science channel and walla, explains your asnweres