Google Chrome launching tomorrow

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Google is looking to shake up the web browser scene with it's own iteration, known as Google Chrome. It is completely open source and is process based, meaning that each tab will have it's own process. You can find out more at the Google Blog. I'm certainly going to give it a go.
 
Microsoft must be stoked. It's only a matter of time before people forget about how much they hate them and direct all that hate in a new direction which will be google. I'm sure firefox will be pretty pissed about this.
 
No Limit said:
I'm sure firefox will be pretty pissed about this.
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This is uncertain. Firefox just extended it's contract with Google until 2011, in which Google remains the default search engine for the browser. Of course, this will certainly take some of the Firefox user base away, so they definitely have something to worry about. I think that Opera has the most to lose though, considering that Chrome resembles it more than any other. Firefox will still retain it's excellent addon support for the time being. I know it would be hard for me to cope without Adblock Plus.
 
No Limit said:
Microsoft must be stoked. It's only a matter of time before people forget about how much they hate them and direct all that hate in a new direction which will be google. I'm sure firefox will be pretty pissed about this.
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A bit anti-Google are we?

The idea behind having (or wanting) multiple options is to "drive the market". Whether this is fixing bugs or adding more features; The developers compete with each other, trying to be better. This makes all products become better over time.

The point of many of Google's projects is to not have everyone use them, but to influence other developers and have them use their ideas. Take a look at Google BrowserSync. That was an amazing Idea. However, when Mozilla got inspired and created Weave, Google felt it did its job, released the API, and moved onto other projects. Google is an Internet business, they make most of their money from it. They want the Internet to be a better place. If you want to read that as Google wants this to make more money. Sure, that's fine too. In the end, it would be better place for us all.
 
I don't see anything earth-shattering though. It seems to be very similar to IE8.

The one feature I would like IE to adopt, and already suggested to them weeks ago is the ability to rip tabs out and move them from window to window. That would be great to have!

I'll still totally try this out today though. :)
 
AtomicSpark said:
A bit anti-Google are we?

The idea behind having (or wanting) multiple options is to "drive the market". Whether this is fixing bugs or adding more features; The developers compete with each other, trying to be better. This makes all products become better over time.

The point of many of Google's projects is to not have everyone use them, but to influence other developers and have them use their ideas. Take a look at Google BrowserSync. That was an amazing Idea. However, when Mozilla got inspired and created Weave, Google felt it did its job, released the API, and moved onto other projects. Google is an Internet business, they make most of their money from it. They want the Internet to be a better place. If you want to read that as Google wants this to make more money. Sure, that's fine too. In the end, it would be better place for us all.
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Actually I'm not anti-google at all, just like I'm not anti-microsoft. I'm just making the point that they are becoming the new microsoft.

It's google's business and they can do what they want, even if they charge their advertisers unreasonable rates because they know they have a virtual monopoly on the search engine market. But at the same time I love how well they spider my web sites, so it's a trade off :). But I think your idea that they are doing all this to make the internet a happier place for you is a bit silly, everything they do is driven by profits, just like any other business.
 
Iced_Eagle said:
I don't see anything earth-shattering though. It seems to be very similar to IE8.

The one feature I would like IE to adopt, and already suggested to them weeks ago is the ability to rip tabs out and move them from window to window. That would be great to have!

I'll still totally try this out today though. :)
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You didn't read the comic book. :p

It's very different then current browsers. Most of the differences are not aesthetic. If I remember correctly, Firefox 4 will implement a few of these features. I'd have to re-read about planned features for Firefox 4.

No Limit said:
Actually I'm not anti-google at all, just like I'm not anti-microsoft. I'm just making the point that they are becoming the new microsoft.

It's google's business and they can do what they want, even if they charge their advertisers unreasonable rates because they know they have a virtual monopoly on the search engine market. But at the same time I love how well they spider my web sites, so it's a trade off :). But I think your idea that they are doing all this to make the internet a happier place for you is a bit silly, everything they do is driven by profits, just like any other business.
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Think of the Internet as a market (which it is). If the market is doing better, everyone theoretically makes more money. This goes for Google too.
 
AtomicSpark said:
Think of the Internet as a market (which it is). If the market is doing better, everyone theoretically makes more money. This goes for Google too.
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Not if they charge small businesses unreasonable advertising rates. In that situation Google is the only one that makes more money while people like me get screwed. Or in the case of their adsense program they refuse to disclose exactly how your earnings are calculated, in that situation again Google is the one making money and I'm getting screwed. But like I said, it's their business and like you said this is a free market.
 
AtomicSpark said:
You didn't read the comic book. :p

It's very different then current browsers. Most of the differences are not aesthetic. If I remember correctly, Firefox 4 will implement a few of these features. I'd have to re-read about planned features for Firefox 4.



Think of the Internet as a market (which it is). If the market is doing better, everyone theoretically makes more money. This goes for Google too.
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I did read the entire comic book.

Seperation of tabs into their own processes: IE8
Sandboxing: built into Vista with DEP, ASLR
Malware and phising protection: IE8 and FF3
Fast javascript: Every browser works towards this, and FF3 is going to work towards this a lot
Tabs on top of address bar: Okay... Nothing earth shattering and basically just a UI change.
Address Bar: The changes of being able to type and get access to all sorts of stuff is there in IE8, and is also available as Activities. In FF3, they're working on the Omni-bar to do exactly what Google is doing, and an alpha is already out for it.
Special home page on new tabs: Opera

In fact, the UI itself is nothing earth shattering from what I can tell.

I mean, I could go on, but the one feature that is different is the tab ripping. The only difference, and reasoning people think this browser is so different, is because Google is just going into a lot more depth than anybody has before on the inner workings of their browser, so since people haven't heard it before, they think Google is the first with its browser.

I suppose we'll see when Chrome is released today.
 
No Limit said:
Not if they charge small businesses unreasonable advertising rates. In that situation Google is the only one that makes more money while people like me get screwed. Or in the case of their adsense program they refuse to disclose exactly how your earnings are calculated, in that situation again Google is the one making money and I'm getting screwed. But like I said, it's their business and like you said this is a free market.
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I'm not familiar with their advertising polices. Figuring out how to charge people for it is difficult imo. I don't blame Google for not having a perfect method. If you're a small business and its not working for you, you might look into other ways to advertise. Get a community and word of mouth can sustain you pretty well.

Iced_Eagle said:
I did read the entire comic book.

Seperation of tabs into their own processes: IE8
Sandboxing: built into Vista with DEP, ASLR
Malware and phising protection: IE8 and FF3
Fast javascript: Every browser works towards this, and FF3 is going to work towards this a lot
Tabs on top of address bar: Okay... Nothing earth shattering and basically just a UI change.
Address Bar: The changes of being able to type and get access to all sorts of stuff is there in IE8, and is also available as Activities. In FF3, they're working on the Omni-bar to do exactly what Google is doing, and an alpha is already out for it.
Special home page on new tabs: Opera

In fact, the UI itself is nothing earth shattering from what I can tell.

I mean, I could go on, but the one feature that is different is the tab ripping. The only difference, and reasoning people think this browser is so different, is because Google is just going into a lot more depth than anybody has before on the inner workings of their browser, so since people haven't heard it before, they think Google is the first with its browser.

I suppose we'll see when Chrome is released today.
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Mentioning IE8 and FF4 is unfair. I did say current browsers. :p

I apologize for sounding like I thought you were stupid. A lot of people just go by aesthetics or really don't know what they're talking about and it irritates me.

In any case. I am excited for any progress on a programming level. Too many things just reuse, add, and tweak.
 
I'm most interested in the "new process for every tab" bit.
 
Using it now. Seems ok. Tabs at the top is going to take a little getting used to. Not liking lack of bar at the bottom.
 
I'm not familiar with their advertising polices. Figuring out how to charge people for it is difficult imo. I don't blame Google for not having a perfect method. If you're a small business and its not working for you, you might look into other ways to advertise. Get a community and word of mouth can sustain you pretty well.
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This isn't a matter of simply going somewhere else. Google has a monopoly on search engines at this point. They have no difficulty figuring what to charge people, they figured out what will make them the most money and they stuck with it. Again, I have nothing against google personally, I use them exclusively for my searches (as most do). But you need to stop pretending that google operates with your best interests in their heart, they operate with the best interests of their stock holders in their heart, period.

Google certainly built up an image that they are the good guys on a mission to fight evil (M$) and in the early days that's certainly how it was. But now they are nothing more than a huge multi-billion dollar corporation that will soon rival microsoft. I know some people don't want to hear that but that's already become evidant in their monopolistic methods.
 
Yep, that's bugging me too.
 
He means middle mouse button, not scrolling. You know the circle arrow scroll thing. I never use it TBH. However they are missing smooth scrolling, but I'm sure it will get added later.
 
My only complaint is that there's no bookmarks panel like in FireFox. For me, having the panel on the left where I can expand folders in a tree is much more useful than having the bar at the top where i have to wade through my folders every time.
 
It hangs too often when switching tabs and sometimes when going back/forward.

Don't see anything that makes it more useful than any other browser out there.
 
StardogChampion said:
It hangs too often when switching tabs and sometimes when going back/forward.

Don't see anything that makes it more useful than any other browser out there.
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I'm personally not seeing any hanging. It's a very fast browser (especially with javascript), but it seems a little incomplete. I don't think i'll be using it yet, but perhaps when it's a little more complete.
 
lol

I JUST found the stop button :p I rarely look over to that side of my browser window.

I think I'll play with it a bit more and wait for later releases with more customization.
 
I'm not too sure about the recent bookmarks list ahem..apparently no way of clearing it ahem :rolleyes: (quickly bookmarks innocent pages of cuddly kittens and absolutely no rapidshare links ):angel: hehe

But it does seem pretty slick so far for a beta. I'd like to be able to move the bookmarks folder over to the left, being one of the master race and all.

Plus the actual appearance of the sites and the text esp is very crisp.
 
This is pretty darn fast. I'm impressed!
 
I rather like it. I'll be sticking with Firefox for now, obviously, but I'll mess around with Chrome every so often.
 
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Feels quite fast. Quite complete already, was surprised it was fully translated to Dutch and has a complete Dutch dictionary for text area input.

Feels kinda silly though that every tab is actually a separate process in your OS. I'm known to have 35+ tabs open at times. From initial tests, it's a lot more memory hungry than Firefox 3 (twice, roughly). Which is to be expected because I'm pretty sure every tab (and thus process) needs its copy of certain data that's otherwise available globally. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing: memory is there to be used, the most important thing is to free it when it's no longer used which Chrome might be very good at.

I must say I don't really care about each tab being its own process, when Firefox crashes (and it does it rarely) it saves the full state of your session, down to the text you have inputted in text areas. I also prefer how Firefox 3 handles closing while Chrome uses the (flawed) FF2 mode: you can only set an option to always load your last session, whereas Firefox 3 asks you when you close the browser if you wanna store the session for the next time. That's much better.

Biggest interest to me is the Javascript compiler, which is really something that's needed. Firefox 3.1 will have a Javascript JIT compiler too, which has shown to increase Javascript performance by 40 times.

This is a great initiative by Google, but I don't yet see me using it fulltime. Maybe at the 1.0 release.
 
I'm not too sure about the recent bookmarks list ahem..apparently no way of clearing it ahem (quickly bookmarks innocent pages of cuddly kittens and absolutely no rapidshare links ) hehe
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That's why there's an incognito browsing mode, anything you browse isn't saved, cookies aren't saved, etc.

Anyway, using it now, it's really nice, barebones browser that's perfect for my laptop. Probably save FF3 for my desktop computer.
 
Stigmata said:
I rather like it. I'll be sticking with Firefox for now, obviously, but I'll mess around with Chrome every so often.
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I'll give it a good run out, I'm liking it so far.

MiccyNarc said:
That's why there's an incognito browsing mode, anything you browse isn't saved, cookies aren't saved, etc.
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I know about the incognito windows (seems to work ok), but when I imported firefox it listed the last 10 things I bookmarked in that on the front page ;)
 
The only thing I miss about FF now are a few of the addons. :-\ I'm sure there'll be more eventually.
EDIT: Oh yeah and stumbleupon.
 
Using it now, seems responsive and fast.

I miss the Mouse Gestures and AdBlock plugins though.
 
This browser is ****ing righteous.

Besides the unfinished aspect of it, including add-ons and custom skins colors, this is exactly what I've been wanting. I hated the fact that the other browsers take up half the ****ing screen with useless shit.

Incognito mode sounds great in a time when freedom to privacy is a major concern, with 'wire-tapping' and spy bullshit going on.


It's faster than the others too! Can't wait for the final.
 
trying it out right now as well.

Nice and fast but still a bit lacking in features (adblock, some other extensions I use).

The interface is fine for me though.
 
using it right now. still getting used to the interface... i might still like firefox better.
 
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