halo gets what it deserves at hl2.net

[knut]

fixed

just fail

You just admitted that Halo gets a lot of flak for a really, really dumb reason.

Well done.

Vikram: It's too bad this entire thread hasn't been focused around the single player campaign. Save that for the next Halo thread, if you want. The last few pages have been about multiplayer.

Houdini: No. The assault rifle was made and implemented back into the game so that you had a chance to defend yourself right from the get go. Not to mention that the spawning system always puts you away from the battle giving you more than enough chance to find a new weapon or a vehicle. Hell, all the maps have pretty damned good weapon placements so there never will be any endless camping in one place. Every weapon in Halo is set so that it can be just as good against the next if used correctly. You just need to think, and it's no wonder people don't enjoy it because they go in thinking it will be run and gun because it gets slandered so much by 15-minute players who don't take the time to get into it.

 

[Kyorisu]

and it's no wonder people don't enjoy it because they go in thinking it will be run and gun because it gets slandered so much by 15-minute players who don't take the time to get into it.

/troll mode

Why bother when you could be playing better games?

/end troll mode.

 

[lame-o]

You just admitted that Halo gets a lot of flak for a really, really dumb reason.

Well done.

Vikram: It's too bad this entire thread hasn't been focused around the single player campaign. Save that for the next Halo thread, if you want. The last few pages have been about multiplayer.

Houdini: No. The assault rifle was made and implemented back into the game so that you had a chance to defend yourself right from the get go. Not to mention that the spawning system always puts you away from the battle giving you more than enough chance to find a new weapon or a vehicle. Hell, all the maps have pretty damned good weapon placements so there never will be any endless camping in one place. Every weapon in Halo is set so that it can be just as good against the next if used correctly. You just need to think, and it's no wonder people don't enjoy it because they go in thinking it will be run and gun because it gets slandered so much by 15-minute players who don't take the time to get into it.

You just generalized that 1.5 million (95%?) of the people who bought Halo 3 play it because they want to use tactics and play serious matches. And the few people who turn away from this obvious fad-fest are doing so because they are looking for some skull-****ing frag-fests? You just reversed the statistical pyramid of human intellectuality! HOLY SHIT!

Most Halo players are the ELITE of competative gaming. Right...

 

[giant384]

You just admitted that Halo gets a lot of flak for a really, really dumb reason.

Well done.

Vikram: It's too bad this entire thread hasn't been focused around the single player campaign. Save that for the next Halo thread, if you want. The last few pages have been about multiplayer.

Houdini: No. The assault rifle was made and implemented back into the game so that you had a chance to defend yourself right from the get go. Not to mention that the spawning system always puts you away from the battle giving you more than enough chance to find a new weapon or a vehicle. Hell, all the maps have pretty damned good weapon placements so there never will be any endless camping in one place. Every weapon in Halo is set so that it can be just as good against the next if used correctly. You just need to think, and it's no wonder people don't enjoy it because they go in thinking it will be run and gun because it gets slandered so much by 15-minute players who don't take the time to get into it.

marketing is basically how halo became so popular and overhyped. also it doesnt matter if its about single player or multiplayer, its all halo and it all is the same to me.

 

[Tyguy]

i used to be able to own in halo 2, therefore id play it alot, but now I play about 2-3 times a week for about an hour and i SUCK

 

[soulslicer]

The Halo 2 Marketing campaign surprises me to this day. It was so freaking large scale, all over the world. I went to three countries during the promotion period, (Singapore, Malaysia Australia and India) and everywhere there was MC on the buses, the banners, dustbins etc. It's more epic advertising than any known movie or product of any kind.

 

[CptStern]

I've played all three games to completion ..except Halo 2 but I was close ..the games have high production values, a semblence of a story (not sure what it is) but there's just something that's not quite right about the games ..too many boring moments imho intersected with a few brilliant moments ..oh and multiplayer is somewhat fun, never saw why it has such a huge follwoing ..if I want to play DM I'll pick a pc game, console mp doesnt do much for me as it's more frustrating than it's worth

 

[Warbie]

That's cause you missed the boat sterny - your thumbs are too old!

 

[CptStern]

lol, they werent old when I first played Halo

 

[knut]

You just generalized that 1.5 million (95%?) of the people who bought Halo 3 play it because they want to use tactics and play serious matches. And the few people who turn away from this obvious fad-fest are doing so because they are looking for some skull-****ing frag-fests? You just reversed the statistical pyramid of human intellectuality! HOLY SHIT!

Most Halo players are the ELITE of competative gaming. Right...

... what?

No, whether you are playing for fun or for serious, the sense of strategy is there but it all depends on how you want to go about it. If you ask me, the system is so fluid that even for the more fun, regular team deathmatch based games you can still dive right in to a fair and balanced game. I'll admit the game shines when you're playing with people you know, but then I also say that for CS and TF2, and just about any MP online game. Still, I think you looked into that a bit too much.

giant: if you actually let the marketing of a game, or how popular it is, sway your opinion in any way, then I have no time for you. Who cares about it's marketing? Who cares if a lot of people like it? I can understand if people don't approve of a 9 out of 10 score but really, it's no big deal. Just move on. Still, you call people ignorant as much as you can for no apparant raison and then you say Halo SP and Halo MP are exactly the same. Well done again.

 

[Warbie]

lol, they werent old when I first played Halo

Fair enough


I get that not everyone appreciates Halo, but don't get how they fail to recognise what some of us see in it. I could go on all day about how great Halo and Halo 3 are in single player if combat is your thang - and have on this forum far too many times. I could list everything it does better than any other fps, but people won't listen simply because they don't expect or want the same things.

Put it this way - for someone who values challenging combat in a single player fps, what alternative is there? What about for those who love co-op that's more than a mindless bit of fun - something that's all about gradually making the game harder and harder untill you're flying through sections that once seemed impossible? What other MP games out there offer the same level customability? You can load up the Forge and play rocket baseball with friends, rocket race, or make a predator infection gametype by adding loads of invisibility powerups (this is awesome). You can DM/TDM, set up teams and get all tactical with ctf and assault - it is the best multiplayer game ever invented for messing around with a bunch of mates. The answer to all these questions is simply that no other fps offers these things, or even gets close to doing them as well. That's why Halo 3 is ****ing awesome and anyone who disagrees with me is a quicksaving nub!

Arrrgh.

 

[Cormeh]

Well said Warbie. I still feel you waste too much time defending it though. :/

 

[Asknoone]

All that, to me, just makes the game an unsophisticated, repetitive run of the mill experience. You can't rank a game based on how “skilled” you need to be to get through it. That doesn't make Halo 1 or 3 “special” games. I've played through both Halo 1 and 3 on legendary and had a blast, but it doesn't make them great games.

I like the Halo series. I've beaten and enjoyed them. I'd score Halo 1 and 2 as 8/10's. But I still find them very mundane, and it's not my idea of good game design. It strikes me as so....old school.

 

[Warbie]

Well said Warbie. I still feel you waste too much time defending it though. :/

Me too. But it beats revising and if I don't defend Halo at least once a week my family will die.

 

[knut]

Aye, it's a shame. This thread offers some resonable arguments but it all goes out the window as soon as the predictable LOL HALO type people start coming in.

Can't be arsed with this anymore, last post for me. Lock it or something.

Although, Samon didn't just call all of the things Warbie listed unsophisticated and repetetive, did he? Considering all of the things are very, very different, it seems a little odd and is certainly at the other end of the scope for repetetition. :S Also, I and no one else is ranking it based on it's skill, just defending it against the claims that it takes none, esp. for MP.

 

[Kyorisu]

... what?

No, whether you are playing for fun or for serious, the sense of strategy is there but it all depends on how you want to go about it.

Quite similar to the sense of strategy I feel in the morning when I decide what to have for breakfast.

Aye, it's a shame. This thread offers some resonable arguments but it all goes out the window as soon as the predictable LOL HALO type people start coming in.

There is no shame here and no new arguments have been brought forward. Everything in this thread is the same recycled garbage I have seen in lord knows how many other places. Come now this thread was about a Halo disc in a blender and low and behold we have people from both parties praising or bashing the game. Who the **** cares any more?

 

[Warbie]

All that, to me, just makes the game an unsophisticated, repetitive run of the mill experience. You can't rank a game based on how ?skilled? you need to be to get through it. That doesn't make Halo 1 or 3 ?special? games. I've played through both Halo 1 and 3 on legendary and had a blast, but it doesn't make them great games.

I didn't mention that you needed skill, although it is in trying to constantly improve your skill that Halo really shines in single player and co-op. The nice thing about the game is the huge learning curve - there's actually plenty to try and get better at. You can have finished the game on Legendary and still have a long way to go, if that's your bag. Co-op and multiplayer in Halo 3 are undeniably great.

 

[knut]

Well, yeah. As I said, it all depends how you want to go about it.

 

[Kyorisu]

Well, yeah. As I said, it all depends how you want to go about it.

I assure you deciding what to have for breakfast requires the most skilled of tacticians.

 

[knut]

No new arguments is not the same as resonable arguments, Kyo. Some people are being tactfull about what they say, and I like that, whilst others are just coming in and being dumb about the whole subject. Take giant and his comments about people being ignorant.

 

[Warbie]

Come now this thread was about a Halo disc in a blender and low and behold we have people from both parties praising or bashing the game. Who the **** cares any more?

They started it!

 

[Kyorisu]

They started it!

You sound like a child. Couldn't you just ignore it and be the better man? Halo bashing isn't exactly new.

 

[Glirk Dient]

All that, to me, just makes the game an unsophisticated, repetitive run of the mill experience. You can't rank a game based on how ?skilled? you need to be to get through it. That doesn't make Halo 1 or 3 ?special? games. I've played through both Halo 1 and 3 on legendary and had a blast, but it doesn't make them great games.

I like the Halo series. I've beaten and enjoyed them. I'd score Halo 1 and 2 as 8/10's. But I still find them very mundane, and it's not my idea of good game design. It strikes me as so....old school.

You don't need to be skilled in Halo to enjoy it. One of the great features of Halo is it's matchmaking system. Ranked games put you in games with people around your skill level/rank so most games you won't be paired up with someone who is gonna rape your face off. Especially social games, every time I play those I always go against a bunch of kids who are garbage. They simply use their assault rifle to run and gun, which works pretty decently if you let them get close enough.

You sound like a child. Couldn't you just ignore it and be the better man? Halo bashing isn't exactly new.

You are the child. Why do you need to construct ignorant statements in an attempt to make fun of a game a lot of people enjoy for reasons you can't understand.

 

[Warbie]

You sound like a child. Couldn't you just ignore it and be the better man? Halo bashing isn't exactly new.

I was being sarcastic. And I do ignore this stuff 99% of the time, but also feel it's my duty to remind some ppl that they're talking crap once and while

 

[99.vikram]

Quite similar to the sense of strategy I feel in the morning when I decide what to have for breakfast.

Well put.

Warbie and co., I just have to say this - I found the single player experience in all 3 Halos mind rapingly bad. I remember thinking back in the day that Tribes: Vengeance gave me more fun per hour than H2. It doesn't matter whether you're playing on legendary with a friend or by yourself - Halo's repetitive nature guarantees that after a couple of hours you will get bored, no matter how good the AI or weapon set is.

And let's not justify the bad campaign by saying that Halo is multiplayer oriented game. It's not. Players may be looking forward to MP more, but in every trailer they showed before release it was the single player Bungie focussed on, and they failed at making as it engrossing as competing titles.

 

[CptStern]

Fair enough


I get that not everyone appreciates Halo, but don't get how they fail to recognise what some of us see in it. I could go on all day about how great Halo and Halo 3 are in single player if combat is your thang - and have on this forum far too many times. I could list everything it does better than any other fps, but people won't listen simply because they don't expect or want the same things.

Put it this way - for someone who values challenging combat in a single player fps, what alternative is there? What about for those who love co-op that's more than a mindless bit of fun - something that's all about gradually making the game harder and harder untill you're flying through sections that once seemed impossible? What other MP games out there offer the same level customability? You can load up the Forge and play rocket baseball with friends, rocket race, or make a predator infection gametype by adding loads of invisibility powerups (this is awesome). You can DM/TDM, set up teams and get all tactical with ctf and assault - it is the best multiplayer game ever invented for messing around with a bunch of mates. The answer to all these questions is simply that no other fps offers these things, or even gets close to doing them as well. That's why Halo 3 is ****ing awesome and anyone who disagrees with me is a quicksaving nub!

Arrrgh.

I know you're not addressing me but I'll answer some of your points nonetheless :naughty:

the combat is good, I'll readily admit that ..but I think the enemies are kinda ...errr ..gay ..I never felt they were at all challenging unless I artificially upped the ante by putting it on legendary ..and then it was more like they just had more hitpoints

the game is entertaining and co-op is great but there's other games out there that are better fps .on consoles it's the peak of fps gaming but, again imho, it just doesnt compare to combat in pc games ..only it that aim is everything so reflexes tend to be a little more fine tuned because of the gameplay ..whereas halo it's jump out of cover/empty clip, jump back into cover when shield depletes wash, rinse and repeat ..I'm much better at halo if I simply charge the enemy with a melee weapon as many of the guns are useless

 

[Warbie]

..whereas halo it's jump out of cover/empty clip, jump back into cover when shield depletes wash, rinse and repeat ..I'm much better at halo if I simply charge the enemy with a melee weapon as many of the guns are useless

No offense - none of my comments have been directed at you - but that's the experience everyone gets on the easier settings. You'll find that as things get more difficult you'll be using every single weapon, grenade and type of equipment, and that all are good for a given situation. If you just run at the enemy you'll be killed in seconds and get nowhere near melee range.

 

[knut]

Well put.

Warbie and co., I just have to say this - I found the single player experience in all 3 Halos mind rapingly bad. I remember thinking back in the day that Tribes: Vengeance gave me more fun per hour than H2. It doesn't matter whether you're playing on legendary with a friend or by yourself - Halo's repetitive nature guarantees that after a couple of hours you will get bored, no matter how good the AI or weapon set is.

And let's not justify the bad campaign by saying that Halo is multiplayer oriented game. It's not. Players may be looking forward to MP more, but in every trailer they showed before release it was the single player Bungie focussed on, and they failed at making as it engrossing as competing titles.

Great, good for you. I'm inclined to agree whole heartidly that Halo SP is nothing special and is pretty mediocre, but guess what, this thread hasn't, for the most part, been about Halo SP.

Halo is just as orientated as a MP game as it is a SP game if simply because of how much effort and production there is in the MP. All the maps, the content releases, all the many, many playlists and gametypes, the Forge multiplayer map/gametype editing application, the Theatre, the balance... Sure, it didn't get advertised as much but you simply can't deny that most of Halo's praise goes to it's MP. There's no question. Look on the forums - any forum to do with Halo - and look at the ratio between people talking about the MP than those that are discussing the SP. Both are dominant features (huge in console gaming) but theres no denying that Halo MP is possibly the biggest console online game there is.

 

[Absinthe]

You know, I just got a few free months of Live and I considered investing them into Halo 3's MP. I guess just hoping that it would latch onto me after extensive play, even though the series' multiplayer has never grabbed me by the balls or impressed much.

Good timing, since I just got the red ring of death.

 

[Warbie]

Halo's repetitive nature guarantees that after a couple of hours you will get bored, no matter how good the AI or weapon set is.

This is what I fail to understand. I never find it repetitive, and i'm never doing the same things over and over. You have all these weapons, vehicles, enemy types, equipment, and every encounter is different. I think, similar to something like Devil May Cry, Halo in single player is what you make out of it. You can button mash your way through dmc and miss everything it does well, just like you can charge through Halo and not begin to explore what sets it aside from everything else.

 

[giant384]

lol at everyone who thinks they are shasta

 

[CptStern]

No offense - none of my comments have been directed at you - but that's the experience everyone gets on the easier settings. You'll find that as things get more difficult you'll be using every single weapon, grenade and type of equipment, and that all are good for a given situation. If you just run at the enemy you'll be killed in seconds and get nowhere near melee range.

ya I tried that on legendary and get owned rather quickly ..although hammer + sword = i kick ass at least for a little bit


I dont know, call me old but there's nothing like firing a bolt action shaky rifle in Day of defeat or some other similiar game ..emptying 2-3 clips to take down a single enemy isnt that much fun at times

 

[DEATHMASTER]

aim for the head, that's what legendary mode is about.

 

[Acepilotf14]

halo 1 - when you die you can spawn and have a good chance of killing someone with a pistol

halo 3 - when you die you HAVE to run and find a over powered weapon to deffend your self.

Pff, I can kill anyone with the assault rifle.

 

[Glirk Dient]

ya I tried that on legendary and get owned rather quickly ..although hammer + sword = i kick ass at least for a little bit


I dont know, call me old but there's nothing like firing a bolt action shaky rifle in Day of defeat or some other similiar game ..emptying 2-3 clips to take down a single enemy isnt that much fun at times

Well if you want to kill enemies quicker you need to get better! Also..your only emptying clips because your using the assault rifle long range...remember all those other useless guns? Well here is where they come into play. Pick up a BR, 3 shots take off the shields and 1 shot to the head kills. It helps if your team also has this gun as you can take off someones shields, they retreat, your team finishes them off. You can't expect to dominate without getting better at the game. The game is very balanced and as you get better, you can kill enemies without emptying clips.

As for people that say the whole game is crap because they didn't enjoy SP. Well the multiplayer half-life 2 was released with was absolute garbage therefor the whole game is crap and none of it is worth my time. Seems like a fair comparison.

 

[Rapstah]

As for people that say the whole game is crap because they didn't enjoy SP. Well the multiplayer half-life 2 was released with was absolute garbage therefor the whole game is crap and none of it is worth my time. Seems like a fair comparison.

HL2 was released with CSS which isn't crap and isn't the same game at all.

 

[Acepilotf14]

HL2 was released with CSS which isn't crap and isn't the same game at all.

He's talking about Deathmatch, I believe.
Which was, indeed, shit.

 

[Stigmata]

HL2 was released with CSS which isn't crap and isn't the same game at all.

He means HL2DM. I agree it was crap.

 

[CptStern]

Well if you want to kill enemies quicker you need to get better! Also..your only emptying clips because your using the assault rifle long range...remember all those other useless guns? Well here is where they come into play. Pick up a BR, 3 shots take off the shields and 1 shot to the head kills. It helps if your team also has this gun as you can take off someones shields, they retreat, your team finishes them off. You can't expect to dominate without getting better at the game. The game is very balanced and as you get better, you can kill enemies without emptying clips.

As for people that say the whole game is crap because they didn't enjoy SP. Well the multiplayer half-life 2 was released with was absolute garbage therefor the whole game is crap and none of it is worth my time. Seems like a fair comparison.

the thing is if humans were at war with an alien race and they had to empty their clips to kill off a single alien, wouldnt they just make bigger/more ass kicking guns? I mean if humans can invent a bullet that can penetrate a freakin tank? why do I have to shoot those stupid cone headed guys tree times ..yet a single shot with the butt of my hand gun kills them dead everytime

"it's not the gun that kills, it's the butt of the gun"




just in case you can't decide whether I'm being tongue in cheek ...yes, yes I am

 

[Vigilante]

ya I tried that on legendary and get owned rather quickly ..although hammer + sword = i kick ass at least for a little bit


I dont know, call me old but there's nothing like firing a bolt action shaky rifle in Day of defeat or some other similiar game ..emptying 2-3 clips to take down a single enemy isnt that much fun at times

Reminds me of good times in the original Call of Duty using the Mosin Nagant in the apartment level. :thumbs: