History Test

[CptStern]

What am I supposed to say? "OMFG, those questions and answers are teh stoopid?!" The only one I disagree with is the 500,000 children one, as that is a matter of some dispute both in the actual number and whether we were responsible due to the imposition of sanctions or Saddam was responsible for continuing to resist abiding by U.N. Resolutions.

this implies guilt, whether the numbers are accurate or not is moot:

"Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it. "

I know he would never sidestep anything

I could have pointed out that IF the US hadnt supported saddam, he would have been overthrown decades ago

 

[Kommie]

Racial profiling is ignorant. Behavior profiling is not.

Isnt behavior profiling the profiling of the behavior of certain groups of people?

 

[RZAL]

heheh it's pointing out that "if" is of no consequence ..you can apply "if" to anything but that doesnt make a lick of difference because it's pure speculation which leads to inaccurate assumptions and ill-contrived conclusions

CptStern, so what you are saying is "If" I don't put oil in my brand new (out of the crate engine) it wont make a lick of difference because its pure speculation which leads to inaccurate assumptions and ill-contrived conclusions?"

Hog Wash !!! My conclusion says “if” I don't put oil in my dry engine I will seize the engine bearings.

I think your side stepping hapless's question........

I would ask what your answer or solution for the problem is other than the US is evil, but that would involve you using the "if" since what happen has all ready occurred and we can't talk about the future, because it hasn’t happen yet.

 

[Tr0n]

Guys ok lets me try to hit the nail on the head...

Our goverment...says terrorism is bad.Which of course it is....but they themselves have supported it many many many many many many many many many many....

Hold on...

....many many many many times.They helped the current dictators/terrorist we are chasing now.

See the hypocrisy?

Our goverment isn't more about freedom and democracy than it is money and power.

 

[nicknitro]

Hatred or not all of what he just posted is true.

I advise you to go get some history lessons.

hatred or not everything the person who first posted is true to I guess that means muslims are bad right?

Guys ok lets me try to hit the nail on the head...

Our goverment...says terrorism is bad.Which of course it is....but they themselves have supported it many many many many many many many many many many....

Hold on...

....many many many many times.They helped the current dictators/terrorist we are chasing now.

See the hypocrisy?

Our goverment isn't more about freedom and democracy than it is money and power.

The government supported saddam hussein(or osama or whoever).. they made a mistake correct.. now they are trying to take those terrorists out of power.. oh my what idiots they are right? :rollseyes:

 

[Tr0n]

hatred or not everything the person who first posted is true to I guess that means muslims are bad right?

I was talking about what cpt.stern posted.

The government supported saddam hussein(or osama or whoever).. they made a mistake correct.. now they are trying to take those terrorists out of power.. oh my what idiots they are right? :rollseyes:

Ok....OUR GOVERMENT!You know the US of A goverment...k?

They preach freedom, democracy, and morals/some other crap...yet they always supported things that they went against...and they still do it today.

Yes they are idiots, BECAUSE THEY PUT THEM IN POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WENT AGAINST EVERYTHING THEY PREACHED ABOUT!

Maybe you can see that better.

 

[The Monkey]

hatred or not everything the person who first posted is true to I guess that means muslims are bad right?



The government supported saddam hussein(or osama or whoever).. they made a mistake correct.. now they are trying to take those terrorists out of power.. oh my what idiots they are right? :rollseyes:

What about Fulgencio Batista? You supported him too, and you haven't made things "right" in that case.

 

[No Limit]

CptStern, so what you are saying is "If" I don't put oil in my brand new (out of the crate engine) it wont make a lick of difference because its pure speculation which leads to inaccurate assumptions and ill-contrived conclusions?"

Hog Wash !!! My conclusion says “if” I don't put oil in my dry engine I will seize the engine bearings.

No, what he is saying is when you don't put in oil and your engine breaks saying "I wonder IF I did put that oil in there" still wouldn't change the end result.

 

[burner69]

The government supported saddam hussein(or osama or whoever).. they made a mistake correct.. now they are trying to take those terrorists out of power.. oh my what idiots they are right? :rollseyes:

You need a history lesson.

They didn't make a 'mistake' - it was done on purpose, to make money. And guess what, ole uncle Sam is still doing the same kinda thing in many many many other foreign countries that have apalling human rights records; including Columbia, Ecudor, Indonesia, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many, many more. Are all these dozens of countries mistakes being done by the US all over again? No. They just don't give a crap.

And guess what, this behaviour, along with intervention in other areas, is what makes those terrorists.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Isnt behavior profiling the profiling of the behavior of certain groups of people?

Yes.
Friend of mine was telling me about intelligence reports he recieved, within the United States. He was formely the head of security at a local military base.

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man/men frequently observing Natural Gas facility."

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man/men frequently observing Different Ports."

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man frequently observing Capital Building."

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man frequently observing Water Purfication Center."

The list goes on.

 

[RZAL]

You need a history lesson.

They didn't make a 'mistake' - it was done on purpose, to make money. And guess what, ole uncle Sam is still doing the same kinda thing in many many many other foreign countries that have apalling human rights records; including Columbia, Ecudor, Indonesia, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many, many more. Are all these dozens of countries mistakes being done by the US all over again? No. They just don't give a crap.

And guess what, this behaviour, along with intervention in other areas, is what makes those terrorists.

Uncle sam's not the only government thats doing this.

 

[CptStern]

No, what he is saying is when you don't put in oil and your engine breaks saying "I wonder IF I did put that oil in there" still wouldn't change the end result.

give that man a prize! bingo!

 

[Absinthe]

Uncle sam's not the only government thats doing this.

Of course. But some people should stop pretending that the US doesn't do this, or that it's somehow 100% justified.

 

[burner69]

Uncle sam's not the only government thats doing this.

Uncle Sams just the country out hunting terrorists and overthrowing regimes (which just so happen to be in strategic resourceful positions) kicking the hornets nest of terrorists and all in the name of peace - which from my above post, is clearly something they don't care too much about.

 

[RZAL]

Yes.
Friend of mine was telling me about intelligence reports he recieved, within the United States. He was formely the head of security at a local military base.

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man/men frequently observing Natural Gas facility."

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man/men frequently observing Different Ports."

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man frequently observing Capital Building."

"Suspicious middle aged Middle Eastern man frequently observing Water Purfication Center."

The list goes on.

Makes sense, after all we are at war with individuals from the Middle East. I don't think they look like ur average joe.

 

[Tr0n]

Uncle Sams just the country out hunting terrorists and overthrowing regimes (which just so happen to be in strategic resourceful positions) kicking the hornets nest of terrorists and all in the name of peace - which from my above post, is clearly something they don't care too much about.

Exactly.

Hence blind hypocrits.

If you are truely a patriot you wouldn't be supporting the current goverment that does this.You would be fighting for one that believes in the orignal ideals of this country and fighting for GOOD of this country and not the hypocritical evil of this current goverment.

Now excuse me I'm going to bed....haven't slept yet.

 

[Hapless]

Isnt behavior profiling the profiling of the behavior of certain groups of people?

No. Let me give you an example. Let's say you see an unknown race/unknown sex subject walking back and forth in front of a gas station. The subject is looking back and forth, goes in the business, comes out, goes in, comes out, etc. Every once in awhile the subject adjusts something in his/her waistband. Suspicious? Or let's say you are surveilling a known drug house. You see a subject pull up in front of the house, and get out of the vehicle, which he/she leaves running. The subject goes up to the house, glancing furtively around, and goes inside. The subject remains in the house for approximately 4-5 minutes, then goes back out to the vehicle and leaves. Suspicious? That's behavior profiling. The race and sex of the subject is of no consequence. There are other things that police officers are trained to look for that citizens are unaware of, such as someone driving a rental car with a "club" steering wheel lock in the vehicle, as well as dryer sheets, etc., etc., but the examples I gave above are fairly plain, I think. Could there be reasonable explanations for the above behaviors? Yes. The person at the gas station could be waiting for a ride. The person at the drug house could be the landlord collecting the rent. Is your suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring or is about to occur reasonable? Yes as well. All I need for a stop is reasonable suspicion. Not probable cause. If my stop based on reasonable suspicion leads to probable cause, then I can make an arrest. Again, race shouldn't enter into it.

 

[Hapless]

You need a history lesson.

They didn't make a 'mistake' - it was done on purpose, to make money. And guess what, ole uncle Sam is still doing the same kinda thing in many many many other foreign countries that have apalling human rights records; including Columbia, Ecudor, Indonesia, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many, many more. Are all these dozens of countries mistakes being done by the US all over again? No. They just don't give a crap.

And guess what, this behaviour, along with intervention in other areas, is what makes those terrorists.

I think you need to brush up on a little history yourself. We supported the mujahedin in Afghanistan against the Soviets because the Soviets were the enemy at that time. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just like we allied with the Soviets in WW2 against Germany. Politics (and war) makes strange bedfellows, as they say. When we allied with the Soviets, could we have foreseen the Cold War? Maybe, but it was still the best thing to do at the time. When we aided the mujahedin against the Soviets, could we have foreseen the current conflict? Maybe, but it was the best thing to do at the time. I think any nation would have a hard time accomplishing anything in these types of situations if they decided they were going to take the fabled high road and only ally themselves with nations with perfect human rights records. I don't think there are very many nations in the world which put world opinion, etc. ahead of their national interests.

 

[CptStern]

Makes sense, after all we are at war with individuals from the Middle East. I don't think they look like ur average joe.

up until 2001 this was the face of terror


that's the thing about terror ...it can be anywhere, anyone at any time ..profiling gets you nowhere cuz not all people who wear a turban/call allah their god/wear turbans are terrorists

what gets me is that shortly after 9/11 anyone who wore a beard/turban/dark complextion was under constant scrutiny, often by citizens themselves ...yet the family of the person who was responsible was allowed to leave the country without even so much as a "hey where's your son?" ...it boggles the mind ..it's almost as if they'd rather let him go than insult their business partners ...if I was american I'd be outraged

 

[Gray Fox]

I think you need to brush up on a little history yourself. We supported the mujahedin in Afghanistan against the Soviets because the Soviets were the enemy at that time. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just like we allied with the Soviets in WW2 against Germany. Politics (and war) makes strange bedfellows, as they say. When we allied with the Soviets, could we have foreseen the Cold War? Maybe, but it was still the best thing to do at the time. When we aided the mujahedin against the Soviets, could we have foreseen the current conflict? Maybe, but it was the best thing to do at the time. I think any nation would have a hard time accomplishing anything in these types of situations if they decided they were going to take the fabled high road and only ally themselves with nations with perfect human rights records. I don't think there are very many nations in the world which put world opinion, etc. ahead of their national interests.

Yes but, the only reason you are supporting those bad regimes is because of greed, you allied with the soviest in ww2 to defeat hitler, not to make money so that wasn't bad, but all thease other are, just like the Iraq war was just mostly about Oil.

 

[Hapless]

Yes but, the only reason you are supporting those bad regimes is because of greed, you allied with the soviest in ww2 to defeat hitler, not to make money so that wasn't bad, but all thease other are, just like the Iraq war was just mostly about Oil.

Oh, ok, we helped the mujahedin against the Soviets so we could get all that Soviet oil. Or maybe it was all that Afghan oil. Or maybe it was our plan to assist the mujahedin, knowing that one day they would turn on us, mount a huge terror attack, and give us an excuse to invade Iraq so we could take all of THEIR oil. This plan has been in place since the early '70's, which was when our last major plan, which was to become embroiled in Vietnam in order to make Jane Fonda look bad, finally succeeded.

 

[CptStern]

Oh, ok, we helped the mujahedin against the Soviets so we could get all that Soviet oil. Or maybe it was all that Afghan oil. Or maybe it was our plan to assist the mujahedin, knowing that one day they would turn on us, mount a huge terror attack, and give us an excuse to invade Iraq so we could take all of THEIR oil. This plan has been in place since the early '70's, which was when our last major plan, which was to become embroiled in Vietnam in order to make Jane Fonda look bad, finally succeeded.

ummm ...Unocal oil has been trying to build a pipeline through afghanistan to pakistan since the mid 80's ...guess what project was started up again after the taliban was removed?


"In 1998, Vice-President Cheney, then CEO of Halliburton, the largest oil services corporation stated, “I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian.” One US oil corporation seeking to exploit the Caspian Sea Basin is Unocal. On February 12, 1998, John J Maresca, the company’s vice president, said to a committee of the House of Representatives, “Construction of our proposed pipeline [through Afghanistan] cannot begin until a recognized government is in place….”

 

[GiaOmerta]

Why'd they backstab us?
All the wonderful people we've helped in the past.

 

[Bodacious]

Why'd they backstab us?
All the wonderful people we've helped in the past.

Because we support Israel. I guess they think we should just stand aside and let the muslims commit mass genocide in the name of Allah.

 

[Kommie]

Because we support Israel. I guess they think we should just stand aside and let the muslims commit mass genocide in the name of Allah.

While supporting the jews do the same thing in the name of israel?

 

[burner69]

I think you need to brush up on a little history yourself. We supported the mujahedin in Afghanistan against the Soviets because the Soviets were the enemy at that time. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just like we allied with the Soviets in WW2 against Germany. Politics (and war) makes strange bedfellows, as they say. When we allied with the Soviets, could we have foreseen the Cold War? Maybe, but it was still the best thing to do at the time. When we aided the mujahedin against the Soviets, could we have foreseen the current conflict? Maybe, but it was the best thing to do at the time. I think any nation would have a hard time accomplishing anything in these types of situations if they decided they were going to take the fabled high road and only ally themselves with nations with perfect human rights records. I don't think there are very many nations in the world which put world opinion, etc. ahead of their national interests.

You need to read the posts a little better
Where did I mention Afghanistan or Russia??
I'm talking about trading arms, purely for profit, to countries they know will use them for nasty terror type things.

 

[Bodacious]

While supporting the jews do the same thing in the name of israel?

The agenda of Israel is not to overthrow all of Islam and eradicate the arab population.

 

[Kommie]

The agenda of Israel is not to overthrow all of Islam and eradicate the arab population.

Your right. It's to restore it's borders back to the "biblical" area. And they couldnt give two Sh*ts about who they stomp on.

 

[Gray Fox]

The agenda of Israel is not to overthrow all of Islam and eradicate the arab population.

And so, the agenda of the moslims isn't to commit mass genocide either.

 

[Hapless]

ummm ...Unocal oil has been trying to build a pipeline through afghanistan to pakistan since the mid 80's ...guess what project was started up again after the taliban was removed?


"In 1998, Vice-President Cheney, then CEO of Halliburton, the largest oil services corporation stated, “I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian.” One US oil corporation seeking to exploit the Caspian Sea Basin is Unocal. On February 12, 1998, John J Maresca, the company’s vice president, said to a committee of the House of Representatives, “Construction of our proposed pipeline [through Afghanistan] cannot begin until a recognized government is in place….”

Hmmmmm. This is very interesting. Let's see......

Your article says:

"Unocal is not involved in any projects (including pipelines) in Afghanistan, nor do we have any plans to become involved, nor are we discussing any such projects," a spokesman told BBC News Online.

The US company formally withdrew from the consortium in 1998.

Now, this article is from 2002. Let's see if we can find anything about it from, say, 2005:

The announcement in New Delhi came hard on the heels of reports that the giant China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) is planning a $13 billion takeover offer for Unocal, the U.S.-based group that held talks with the Taliban regime of Afghanistan (before the 9/11 attacks) about the prospects of a pipeline to bring Asian oil to India.

Well, THAT's certainly interesting. And from WOrld Peace Herald to boot. Let's dig some more:

Turkmenistan's Oil and Gas Ministry said Monday the British company Penspen had completed a feasibility study of the project that was funded by the Asian Development Bank, the project's main sponsor.

Well, the Turkish Daily News is obviously run by the Bush government. Let's see what else there is...

During the mid-1990s, Unocal had pursued a possible natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan's Dauletabad-Donmez gas basin via Afghanistan to Pakistan, but pulled out after the U.S. missile strikes against Afghanistan in August 1998. The Afghan government under President Karzai has tried to revive the Trans-Afghan Pipeline (TAP) plan, with periodic talks held between the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan on the issue, but little progress appears to have been made as of early June 2004

Note that it doesn't say, "UNOCAL is back in the picture." Every article I could find mentions the UNOCAL attempt, but also mentions their pullout. No article I could find mentions anything about them getting back into it now that the Taliban is gone.

This entire article, while long, is a good read and has a brief mention of the UNOCAL pipeline

Where did that little blurb about Cheney come from? You meticulously document your sources, yet you don't document this one? Not to mention the fact that the pipeline shown in the photo capping your article isn't of the UNOCAL Afghan pipeline because it doesn't exist. Can you say, "Michael Moore?"

 

[CptStern]

Hmmmmm. This is very interesting. Let's see......

Your article says:



Now, this article is from 2002. Let's see if we can find anything about it from, say, 2005:

The announcement in New Delhi came hard on the heels of reports that the giant China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) is planning a $13 billion takeover offer for Unocal, the U.S.-based group that held talks with the Taliban regime of Afghanistan (before the 9/11 attacks) about the prospects of a pipeline to bring Asian oil to India.

Well, THAT's certainly interesting. And from WOrld Peace Herald to boot. Let's dig some more:

Turkmenistan's Oil and Gas Ministry said Monday the British company Penspen had completed a feasibility study of the project that was funded by the Asian Development Bank, the project's main sponsor.

Well, the Turkish Daily News is obviously run by the Bush government. Let's see what else there is...

During the mid-1990s, Unocal had pursued a possible natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan's Dauletabad-Donmez gas basin via Afghanistan to Pakistan, but pulled out after the U.S. missile strikes against Afghanistan in August 1998. The Afghan government under President Karzai has tried to revive the Trans-Afghan Pipeline (TAP) plan, with periodic talks held between the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan on the issue, but little progress appears to have been made as of early June 2004

Note that it doesn't say, "UNOCAL is back in the picture." Every article I could find mentions the UNOCAL attempt, but also mentions their pullout. No article I could find mentions anything about them getting back into it now that the Taliban is gone.

This entire article, while long, is a good read and has a brief mention of the UNOCAL pipeline

Where did that little blurb about Cheney come from? You meticulously document your sources, yet you don't document this one? Not to mention the fact that the pipeline shown in the photo capping your article isn't of the UNOCAL Afghan pipeline because it doesn't exist. Can you say, "Michael Moore?"

clap, clap, clap ...bravo! nice to see you bring facts to the table

you're correct when you say Unocal pulled out, but the treaties have been signed between afghanistan, pakistan and Turkmenistan ...but no investors are willing to take the chance ..unless that is the US moves in to secure it. Unocal is still seen as the leading contractor and even they said. Speculation is that unless a western consortium commits to it, it will never be brought to fruition

you wont hear this often but, I concede that you are correct and I am in error ..mostly my fault for not researching past 1998 ..and no, I didnt get it from Moore, I remember when the initial deals were struck in 1997 cuz they got a lot of flack from humanitarian groups

 

[burner69]

you wont hear this often but, I concede that you are correct and I am in error

:O Stern! I'm turning repuplican now!

*Runs off in tears*

 

[Scoobnfl]

What about the other 8 questions? :dozey:

The 8 other questions fail to take into account or address the reasons for acting in such manner. They also fail to address the tens of thousands killed by leftist guerillas in countries like Nicaragua, El Salvador, Colombia, etc...........

it's very easy to find fault if you're only willing to fault one side

You need a history lesson.

Are all these dozens of countries mistakes being done by the US all over again? No. They just don't give a crap.

you need a reality lesson.

I guess by your logic all of the other countries that do business with those countries are immoral?

What would you have us do, not do business with them while countries that are not allies with us do, thus weakening our economy and strengthening the economies of those opposed to us?

Damn, I'm glad the higher ups in our govt. have a bit more experience in reality than your disney mentality

 

[Scoobnfl]

oops please delete

 

[Hapless]

clap, clap, clap ...bravo! nice to see you bring facts to the table

you wont hear this often but, I concede that you are correct and I am in error ..mostly my fault for not researching past 1998 ..and no, I didnt get it from Moore, I remember when the initial deals were struck in 1997 cuz they got a lot of flack from humanitarian groups

Well, I'll be hornswaggled.....



Thanks man. :cheers:

 

[seinfeldrules]

Stern blows this Iranian Resolution way out of context. He refuses to glance back at history and see the real reason for the veto. He refuses to look at all the Resolutions passed in the 80s condemning the Iran-Iraq War.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

"Global warming is most assureadly the result of those who sit on their a$$ debating the problem yet never move off that anatomy to do any real biological deed..."

Know who said that?

 

[Scoobnfl]

"Global warming is most assureadly the result of those who sit on their a$$ debating the problem yet never move off that anatomy to do any real biological deed..."

Know who said that?

twas that Crichton fellow wasn't it?

 

[RZAL]

No, what he is saying is when you don't put in oil and your engine breaks saying "I wonder IF I did put that oil in there" still wouldn't change the end result.

I think CptStern can speak for himself and its clear he was side stepping Hapless’s question.

I'll put it this way: I think Stern thinks hypothetical questions are stupid.

CptStern’s response

heheh it's pointing out that "if" is of no consequence ..you can apply "if" to anything but that doesnt make a lick of difference because it's pure speculation which leads to inaccurate assumptions and ill-contrived conclusions.

I agree, hypothetical questions based on mere speculation leads to inaccurate assumptions and ill-contrived conclusions (a shot in the dark). However hypothetical questions based on logic leads to real conclusions (educated guess). Which I find quite ironic considering Stern’s signature displays Albert Einstein’s name. A scholar who dedicated his life works on hypothesis, hypothetical, and Theoretical problems.

Am I saying Stern’s ignorant? No, I am simply saying he sidestepped a question.

Ok....OUR GOVERMENT!You know the US of A goverment...k?
They preach freedom, democracy, and morals/some other crap...yet they always supported things that they went against...and they still do it today.
Yes they are idiots, BECAUSE THEY PUT THEM IN POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WENT AGAINST EVERYTHING THEY PREACHED ABOUT!
Maybe you can see that better.

"Man is inherently bad and government even in its best form is but a necessary evil".
Don’t forget who put these idiots in power, we the people did, so who is the bigger idiot?
Please write your representatives, senators and congressmen and yes even the president. Remember to vote in every election local, state, and federal your vote is voice on election day.

Of course. But some people should stop pretending that the US doesn't do this, or that it's somehow 100% justified.

I agree, some people are so blinded by their political biases they are unable to see through the propaganda.
We should all stop believing that government is the answer to all of our problems and start acting like civilized humans, take personal responsibility for our actions and help one another.

Propaganda is good for one thing, exciting others and drawing boundaries.


The Patriot "Freedom is not free"

 

[RZAL]

Uncle Sams just the country out hunting terrorists and overthrowing regimes (which just so happen to be in strategic resourceful positions) kicking the hornets nest of terrorists and all in the name of peace - which from my above post, is clearly something they don't care too much about.

Exactly.
Hence blind hypocrits.
If you are truely a patriot you wouldn't be supporting the current goverment that does this.You would be fighting for one that believes in the orignal ideals of this country and fighting for GOOD of this country and not the hypocritical evil of this current goverment.
Now excuse me I'm going to bed....haven't slept yet. .

“If I am truly a Patriot”

I don’t support my government when it does wrong. I make my voice known on election day, I write elected officials, I visit political forums and other places of forum to let my views be known. I believe in the founding fathers and the original ideals of this country. I fight hypocritical evil every chance I get. I say to the world lets put away our differences and acknowledge our likeness, lets build that dream where children can play in the arms of freedom, protected and shielded from tyranny.

I am a Patriot, I am willing to stand up for what I believe in, I am willing to die so that others may enjoy their freedom. I am willing to fight side by side with my Iraqi Patriot brothers…why? Because something’s in life are worth dying for. The freedom you and I enjoy today was bought and paid for by the blood of an unnamed Patriot.

This is why I support the Iraqi war, oil and money means nothing to me, but freedom, freedom means everything. As long as there are people in Iraq who believe in freedom I will support their cause, just as the Patriots of the past have done for me.

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy you say? Hypocrisy I say-are those who use their freedom to oppose the freedom of others.

The Patriot “Freedom is not free”