Homosexuality

[Edcrab]

Can't think of any laws that openly state that dolphins or animals with higher thought processes are capable of giving consent.

Can't think of any that prevent two adults from ****ing each other either. Just because I'm hetero doesn't mean I dislike or even care what other people get up to.

 

[baxter]

Don't know whether I dare to agree with you, it may be taken out of context.

 

[el Chi]

besides the fact that they are attracted to the same sex

...and there it is.
Why didn't you just state your views in the first post?

To all the people who compared homosexuality to bestiality and paedophilia:

I detest every single fibre of your being with the fire and passion of a thousand suns and I hope you die alone and unloved in a small puddle of your own filthy bile.​

They're really very, very different in so very many ways:
Bestiality involves a human being and a member of an entirely different species that probably has no idea what's going on until - well, y'know. Homosexual sex involves two human beings. Heterosexual sex involves two human beings. Or more, depending on how you feel.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Paedophilia involves, almost as a matter of course, rape. Consensual gay sex does not. Nor does consensual heterosexual sex.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Homosexuality can be observed in animals, so out goes the theory that it's "unnatural".
It serves an evolutionary purpose: Healthy, able-bodied members of an over-populated community of animals that can contribute in terms of gathering food, looking out for predators, etc. but NOT contribute to over-crowding. So out goes the theory that they're detrimental to the human race.

Homophobia is just as bad as racism. Thank God the majority of people who've taken the poll appear to realise that.

It's been observed that many homosexuals were exposed to higher-than-usual levels of testosterone in the womb. This means that lesbians may have bigger hands than you, and many gay men have bigger penises than you.

 

[qckbeam]

Thank you el Chi, really, thank you. You've summed everything up perfectly

 

[el Chi]

No, no. Thank you.

 

[pomegranate]

There really isn't any need for 11 pages of this (entertaining as it is). All that needs to be asked is:

1. Does homosexual sex, and the stereotypically associated personality, lifestyle, and culture actually harm anyone?
2. Do people have a choice?

My answers are no and no. Therefore, I don't believe it's immoral, and I don't believe it's anybody else's business, and I don't believe it should be oppressed by any means.
Seriously, why would you be so bothered about what other people are doing when it has no effect on you whatsoever? If the idea of gay people makes you angry or bothered, get a life.
I think this method can be applied to most moral arguments.


<edit: ooops, "anyone one">

 

[el Chi]

I don't believe it's anybody else's business, and I don't believe it should be oppressed by any means.
Seriously, why would you be so bothered about what other people are doing when it has no effect on you whatsoever? If the idea of gay people makes you angry or bothered, get a life.

Perfectly put.

 

[baxter]

1. Does homosexual sex, and the stereotypically associated personality, lifestyle, and culture actually harm anyone one?
2. Do people have a choice?

My answers are no and no. Therefore, I don't believe it's immoral, and I don't believe it's anybody else's business, and I don't believe it should be oppressed by any means.
Seriously, why would you be so bothered about what other people are doing when it has no effect on you whatsoever? If the idea of gay people makes you angry or bothered, get a life.
I think this method can be applied to most moral arguments

Hopefully this is the final statement in this thread.

 

[Lemonking]

I dont mind gay Peolple but I dont wanna have em around me
basta no more comments from me

 

[PickledGecko]

Gay people may not chose to be gay (it is debatable) but they defintely chose to talk with a lisp, do the limp wrist, and dress like that. I am not saying all gay people do that, but some do. Oh and butt sex is icky.

People choose to talk with a lisp and act in other stereotypicaly "gay" ways? Have you ever been to High School? If that was true, as soon as the boy in question got his first beating, he'd be talking and acting just like everbody else the very next day.

Butt sex is icky to me too, thats why I don't do it. Doesn't mean I go around telling other people who do like to stop, its none of my concern.

 

[brink's]

Gay people should be shot on the spot and a gay fetus should be liquified the second it's found out to be unatural, cause their not real people like you and me. I mean sure they look real enough, but we all know what's really going on. They're trying to rid our society of of inequalities, make everyone equal, even if the only reason is so everyone can be happy. I will not stand for this, if we allow gay marrage or someone to be homosexual, what's next????? Eating meat on a friday? No more race discrimination. not on my watch.

 

[Foxtrot]

...and there it is.
Why didn't you just state your views in the first post?

To all the people who compared homosexuality to bestiality and paedophilia:

I detest every single fibre of your being with the fire and passion of a thousand suns and I hope you die alone and unloved in a small puddle of your own filthy bile.​

They're really very, very different in so very many ways:
Bestiality involves a human being and a member of an entirely different species that probably has no idea what's going on until - well, y'know. Homosexual sex involves two human beings. Heterosexual sex involves two human beings. Or more, depending on how you feel.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Paedophilia involves, almost as a matter of course, rape. Consensual gay sex does not. Nor does consensual heterosexual sex.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Homosexuality can be observed in animals, so out goes the theory that it's "unnatural".
It serves an evolutionary purpose: Healthy, able-bodied members of an over-populated community of animals that can contribute in terms of gathering food, looking out for predators, etc. but NOT contribute to over-crowding. So out goes the theory that they're detrimental to the human race.

Homophobia is just as bad as racism. Thank God the majority of people who've taken the poll appear to realise that.

It's been observed that many homosexuals were exposed to higher-than-usual levels of testosterone in the womb. This means that lesbians may have bigger hands than you, and many gay men have bigger penises than you.

You aren't very accepting of different types of people.

People choose to talk with a lisp and act in other stereotypicaly "gay" ways? Have you ever been to High School? If that was true, as soon as the boy in question got his first beating, he'd be talking and acting just like everbody else the very next day.

Butt sex is icky to me too, thats why I don't do it. Doesn't mean I go around telling other people who do like to stop, its none of my concern.

Haha sorry, I don't go to "The OC" or whatever high school drama shit you watch, I go to a real high school, with real people not actors and scripts. Gay kids are not made fun of in general, they are actually more popular than you would expect someone like that to be.

 

[Lemonking]

1 more comment^^
I wanted to say that its pretty stupid to think being Gay is cool
stupid TV Shows like Will and Grace etc thats just stupid.
Being aint normal I accept but it will never will be normal

 

[el Chi]

You aren't very accepting of different types of people.

You mean I don't accept people who aren't accepting of homosexuals?Don't try and switch that nonsense round on me Foxtrot.
Make a valid counter-argument as to why I'm wrong and homosexuality actually IS like paedophilia and/or bestiality or don't bother discussing at all.

...they are actually more popular than you would expect someone like that to be.

That says it all.
Gay people, obviously, are disgusting abominations and should be ashamed and deported to a secluded island OR "re-educated".

 

[pomegranate]

Being aint normal I accept but it will never will be normal

Uh, reading that - I mean, trying to read that sentence just broke my brain. Thanks. Please rephrase.

 

[PickledGecko]

Really Foxtrot? I'm surprised because in my school "gay" means bad.
"Man, I think Maths is soooo gay" means "I don't like Maths much"
"Rollerbladers are soo gay" means "People who use rollerblades are not as cool as us skateboarders"
etc
etc
edit: well it did 6 years ago anyway. Maybe times have changed.

 

[Foxtrot]

You mean I don't accept people who aren't accepting of homosexuals?Don't try and switch that nonsense round on me Foxtrot.
Make a valid counter-argument as to why I'm wrong and homosexuality actually IS like paedophilia and/or bestiality or don't bother discussing at all.

That says it all.
Gay people, obviously, are disgusting abominations and should be ashamed and deported to a secluded island OR "re-educated".

Good job on being shallow, and judging people on their sexual orientation and no who they are/what they do. I was refering to what kind of person they are, in this example the guys name is Zahmee(dont know how to spell it) a fat arab kid with an incredible lisp and who likes to wear silk.

Really Foxtrot? I'm surprised because in my school "gay" means bad.
"Man, I think Maths is soooo gay" means "I don't like Maths much"
"Rollerbladers are soo gay" means "People who use rollerblades are not as cool as us skateboarders"
etc
etc

People use those terms but they won't harass or harm any gay people.

 

[Lemonking]

Uh, reading that - I mean, trying to read that sentence just broke my brain. Thanks. Please rephrase.

sry Mr english

I accept the gays but for me they will never be normal

 

[el Chi]

Good job on being shallow, and judging people on their sexual orientation and no who they are/what they do. I was refering to what kind of person they are, in this example the guys name is Zahmee(dont know how to spell it) a fat arab kid with an incredible lisp and who likes to wear silk.

That was so far from the implication of your post it's ridiculous.
If they're gay and they're a tw*t, then they're still a tw*t, regardless of sexuality, race, religion, able-bodied or otherwise.
At no point did I say anything to the contrary, so a fine job ye did there, placing word upon word into my mouth.

 

[Raziaar]

Homosexuality... okay.


The only one problem I see in this forum, is the fact that people are saying its 'not a choice'.

How is it not a choice? Its certainly not an element of nature.

Nature, by design, encourages opposite sex procreation. That is how we are programmed... by design. Just like nearly every other creature out there save for the ones who reproduce from just themselves.

The body produces Pheromones, which 'attracts' the opposite sex, and oftentimes aggrivates the same sex. This is nature's way of keeping things the way it intended, and for the most part this works except in the cases of humans who are individual by nature, and intelligent enough to do things that go beyond their human instinct... and also in the cases of animals and organisms who's biological functions have been 'frayed' so to speak.

There has been no study in the entire HISTORY of mankind that can prove that homosexuality is in the genes. There are none that proves this. This was something created by homosexuals to further their cause, which is fine... but its wrong to claim something is scientific when it is in fact... not. They can't prove this, and up to this date they never have.

On the other hand... there have been countless studies proving that there are mechanisms in the body that produce and guide the human species towards heterosexuality.. such as Pheremones and many other bodily functions.

Homosexuality is simply a choice. It's the human ability to be independant of the instincts that our history as a race has developed. Homosexuality is fine... go ahead, be a homosexual if you want... but don't try claiming it's in the genes... because unless you provide a breakthrough scientific study with evidence to support this... it cannot be proved, and has not been proved.


You choose to be homosexual. Just like I can suddenly become homosexual tomorrow if I have the willpower. Biology leans our race towards heterosexuality. Intelligence and design allows us to stray from that path if we choose knowingly... unlike animals who might become mistaken by having a chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects etc.

 

[PickledGecko]

I accept the gays but for me they will never be normal

Of course not, just like homosexuals will never see hetrosexuality as "normal". Its all a matter of perspective.

 

[Lemonking]

Of course not, just like homosexuals will never see hetrosexuality as "normal". Its all a matter of perspective.

No that not how it is....I tired of discusing this BS
I think its disguisting and I ****in hate TV shows Will and Grace and thsoe other stupid shows
I dont wanna have ******s around me but I wont shoot em or anything I will just go somewhere else
BASTA

 

[Murray_H]

Homosexuality... okay.

The only one problem I see in this forum, is the fact that people are saying its 'not a choice'.

How is it not a choice? Its certainly not an element of nature.

What is the world at the moment? Over-populated. Think of a solution that could naturally reduce population and thus start to regain some sort of balance with our resources - you got it, homosexuality!

 

[el Chi]

No that not how it is....I tired of discusing this BS
I think its disguisting and I ****in hate TV shows Will and Grace and thsoe other stupid shows
I dont wanna have ******s around me but I wont shoot em or anything I will just go somewhere else
BASTA

This is all meant to be said in a genuinely calm, reasoned voice. I am trying to imply nothing, I'm just interested:

Why don't you want to be near gay people? What harm can come to you by proxy?

 

[Murray_H]

This is all meant to be said in a genuinely calm, reasoned voice. I am trying to imply nothing, I'm just interested:

Why don't you want to be near gay people? What harm can come to you by proxy?

Funny, this was questioned a few hours ago (In & Out was on channel 4) - gay waves duh

u will get gey0rized frm beeing around da gayos lolololol dont u no nuffing? lolz

 

[Lemonking]

This is all meant to be said in a genuinely calm, reasoned voice. I am trying to imply nothing, I'm just interested:

Why don't you want to be near gay people? What harm can come to you by proxy?

cuz I fear one day I will be in bad mood and I will slaughter any ****** that crosses my way cuz it disgusts me...like a big pile of shit on my shoe :|

 

[el Chi]

cuz I fear one day I will be in bad mood and I will slaughter any ****** that crosses my way cuz it disgusts me...like a big pile of shit on my shoe :|

Wow, that's extreme stuff. REALLY extreme stuff.
Why does it irritate you that much? It has nothing to do with you...

 

[PickledGecko]

How is it not a choice? Its certainly not an element of nature.

There are plenty of species that have sex with animals of the same gender.

Nature, by design, encourages opposite sex procreation. That is how we are programmed... by design... The body produces Pheromones, which 'attracts' the opposite sex, and oftentimes aggrivates the same sex. This is nature's way of keeping things the way it intended, and for the most part this works except in the cases of humans who are individual by nature, and intelligent enough to do things that go beyond their human instinct...

On the other hand... there have been countless studies proving that there are mechanisms in the body that produce and guide the human species towards heterosexuality.. such as Pheremones and many other bodily functions.

Maybe humans are naturaly bisexual and the things you describe that encourage hetrosexual encounters are merely to ensure enough hetrosexual encounters happen to create babies. If a population is 50% female, that means a man can have procreational sex for a few months before his partner is pregnant for 9 months. So it doesn't really matter if 75% of sex is homosexual, because the women will be pregnant for that amount of time.

You choose to be homosexual. Just like I can suddenly become homosexual tomorrow if I have the willpower. Biology leans our race towards heterosexuality. Intelligence and design allows us to stray from that path if we choose knowingly... unlike animals who might become mistaken by having a chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects etc.

I cannot conceive of anything that would make me want to have sex with another man, that is why I cannot conceive how anybody can claim it to be a choice anybody can make. But ultametly, the only people who can tell you if its a choice are those people who have made that choice. Have you ever been told its a choice by someone who made that choice? I've not.

 

[Lemonking]

Wow, that's extreme stuff. REALLY extreme stuff.
Why does it irritate you that much? It has nothing to do with you...

to be honest I dont know
I fell uncomfortable around Lezbos and Gays
meh thats just the way I feel deal with it kay.





PS: Im not gay

 

[Raziaar]

What is the world at the moment? Over-populated. Think of a solution that could naturally reduce population and thus start to regain some sort of balance with our resources - you got it, homosexuality!

Your argument is flawed. First of all... in many areas of the world overpopulation is simply 'not' an issue. Second of all... where is your evidence to support this? You're just saying that it could possibly be a reason simply because some areas of the world are experiencing over-population. None of these behavioral quirks are experienced in animals. If they become overpopulated... chances are they will face detriment as they exhaust their food, etc. They don't suddenly turn homosexual.

And lastly. Homosexuality has been evident for many many thousands of years, back into the time of the greeks and romans, and even prior to that.

Explain to me then the whole 'overpopulation' problem back then.

 

[el Chi]

to be honest I dont know
I fell uncomfortable around Lezbos and Gays
meh thats just the way I feel deal with it kay.

If that's the way you feel, then there's nothing I can do to sway your opinion. More's the pity, to be honest but oh well.

Homosexuality has been evident for many many thousands of years, back into the time of the greeks and romans, and even prior to that.

Explain to me then the whole 'overpopulation' problem back then.

If we can observe it going back that long, then doesn't that suggest to you that there actually IS some inherent homosexual characteristic in some humans?

 

[PickledGecko]

No that not how it is....I tired of discusing this BS

I wasn't attacking you if thats what you think. I was just saying that "normal" to you, is who you are. Everyone else is a little, or a lot, different from you and therefore not "normal". Thats fine with me, its the way of the human brain.

 

[pomegranate]

@ Raziar: Huh? You trying to suggest that ancient societies didn't suffer from overpopulation? It only requires an insufficient amount of food or space you know.

getting O/T now...

 

[Lemonking]

If that's the way you feel, then there's nothing I can do to sway your opinion. More's the pity, to be honest but oh well.

now why is that a pity?
Its just the way I think.
Then I could say its a pity
that men **** other men in the ass

 

[^Ben]

Because someone who wants to kill people just because they act differently must be so insecure about themselves deserves pity.

 

[pomegranate]

now why is that a pity?

Well, for one thing it's causing you to feel bad feelings towards other people, which doesn't benefit anyone, including yourself. Wouldn't you prefer to just be able to accept all people? It'd probably be better for your health.
Also, it's kinda a waste of time arguing about it, huh?

 

[ríomhaire]

Whoever says homosexuality is a choice is ignorant.
(assuming you're a man) can you help getting an errection when you see a piece of porn or whatever, do you say to yourself, no I won't enjoy this anymore and do you make yourself not find women attractive?

 

[el Chi]

now why is that a pity?
Its just the way I think.
Then I could say its a pity
that men **** other men in the ass

I think it's a pity because it's just one more pointless barrier between people just like race, religion, language, nationality, etc. etc.
I don't see why it's a pity if some men have sex with each other. It's their business, not yours, nor mine.

 

[^Ben]

Oh, and to the poster who said that gay people have bigger pee pee's

I MUST BE THE GAYEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!!

lol

 

[Raziaar]

I cannot conceive of anything that would make me want to have sex with another man, that is why I cannot conceive how anybody can claim it to be a choice anybody can make. But ultametly, the only people who can tell you if its a choice are those people who have made that choice. Have you ever been told its a choice by someone who made that choice? I've not.

Yes, I have been told it's a choice by *MANY* people. Some of whom are my friends. And some of these people are unashamed to say that they have had past life experiences that have affected their change from heterosexual-to homosexual.

One has been abused for much of his young life by a member of the same sex, and over time he slowly changed to practicing homosexuality. And he admitted this change. That he never felt the desire originally that he liked men.

Another... another friend of mine at a young age offered her body to others of the opposite sex, in exchange for money, etc. After years of doing this, she changed her lifestyle to reflect that of homosexuality. She developed an attraction towards women, the people she did not offer her body to.


I myself grew up thinking that I was somehow attracted to other boys. But all this was a matter of social influences. Now, that i'm older and an adult, I don't still have this 'biological function' that makes me homosexual. I do not practice homosexuality and I do not entertain the thoughts of it regarding myself. It's just not who I am. But I could just as easily become a homosexual over the course of a period of time depending on social influences just like when I was a child. It all depends on what I want to do. I have the freedom to stray from my instincts.